Seeing a lot of Banned users, is that normal?

[UrielSol]

I never did that to you, and never will.
I will only say my piece on the matter, which you can choose to listen to and think about it or not.
This culture war nonsense only serves the purpose of destruction. That is all.

Yup, division just make the ruling classes to have a easier job well... Ruling, thats whats happening in my country right now

 

[ZombieFish]

Noted, and I appreciate your tolerance.

Like I said earlier, I've been around this block before. I'm personally of the opinion it's a big reason why forums "died out" in the first place.

At least you knew who I was talking about. :p Honestly my dude, I think the call is coming from inside the house, but I don't mind a different opinion. Last time I was into forums was circa 2002 Gamefaqs, so I don't know the drama chronicles, I just know I haven't seen anything on THESE forums to lead me to fear the mods.

 

[dropsmegamega]

and if people want to discuss it in a mature, reasonable, nuanced way

I get ur point and agree for the most part but lol no way this can happen

Yup, division just make the ruling classes to have a easier job well... Ruling, thats whats happening in my country right now

well simply being silent and accepting things as they are hardly solves anything either............
not that a GAMING FORUM is the place for this ofc

 

[Gorse]

At least you knew who I was talking about. :p

Mate, when it comes to snarky, passive-aggressive, back-handed insults... I'm your guy! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

I just know I haven't seen anything on THESE forums to lead me to fear the mods.

I'd like to remove that possibility entirely ASAP. Let's hop to it, lads!

I get ur point and agree for the most part but lol no way this can happen

Hey, you say that, but I completely disagree! I thought the "Games as Art" thread was a great read, and everyone there seemed pretty civil. I have a high opinion of my fellow posters.

 

[ZombieFish]

*shrugs* I think part of free speech is accepting the consequences of said speech. If you want no mods, 4chan is right over there. Knowing that there is SOME moderation here is kinda nice. I appreciate their service, and if I become a problem I like knowing I can get the boot.

 

[ATenderLad]

Y'all have had a fun evening!

I'm in two minds about this in a way. On one hand I understand your desire to see the exact regulations we are to be held to. On the other hand I fear that once they're defined beyond 'don't be a dick to people' the mods will be forced to excise posts they would otherwise let fly in the spirit of having an honest and respectful discourse because defining rules to the most minute detail will mean committing to them even if it is to the detriment of the forum. The wardens will be prisoners to the rules as much as the inmates.

I'm still reading some of the thread, but I'm inclined to agree with this. Some part of having interesting discussion requires flexibility, with the obvious caveats of hate speech and targeted harrassment. The more we define what is-and-is-not okay to say, the less anyone is going to want to engage at all.

@Gorse I'm not sure saying that "everywhere is super leftist we need to be different" is a good faith argument, and while you're entitled to preemptively worry you'll be punished for something, I can't see a real reason for concern personally.

Actually on the topic of the original post of the thread, most mod action that took place today was regarding spam, that's been the largest problem. (To the extent that there is one, looking over the reports y'all are pretty civil.)

 

[dropsmegamega]

Hey, you say that, but I completely disagree! I thought the "Games as Art" thread was a great read, and everyone there seemed pretty civil. I have a high opinion of my fellow posters.

Sure but that thread wasn't that political at the end of the day. not a single mention of DEI or other really controversial topics afaik. In other hand, that sony give up gaming (or something like that) thread basically was already a bunch of insults and accusations already at page 1

 

[DrunkOcelot]

*shrugs* I think part of free speech is accepting the consequences of said speech. If you want no mods, 4chan is right over there. Knowing that there is SOME moderation here is kinda nice. I appreciate their service, and if I become a problem I like knowing I can get the boot.

Noone is trying to say they want a free-for-all like 4chan

 

[AtlasM]

RIP Gorse, he's banned.
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Tf, webp???? ?

 

[ZombieFish]

Noone is trying to say they want a free-for-all like 4chan

Fair enough, hyperbole on my part.

 

[Cheela]

RIP Gorse, he's banned.
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Tf, webp???? ?

Webp attacks again

 

[AtlasM]

Webp attacks again

It's a plague that may kill me(me)

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

Tf, webp????

That thing silences more opinions than Doomguy XD

 

[AtlasM]

That thing silences more opinions than Doomguy XD

It's always the lame-looking ones that's more lethal. It's like an internet mosquito

 

[Gorse]

I think part of free speech is accepting the consequences of said speech.

Of course, but that's another issue entirely – as I've mentioned, this is not a discussion about "free speech" at all, because what we post here is bound by the rules. (For example, I can't make a thread about electoral politics, because there's a rule against that.) What I want is for those rules to be applied consistently and fairly, even during discussions that moderations might disagree with ideologically.

If you want no mods, 4chan is right over there.

Yeah, and if you want an echo chamber, Reddit's over there! There's ResetEra. And there's NeoGaf. Oh, hi, Something Awful... see how I can do this, too? I don't want RGT to be like any of those websites.

Y'all have had a fun evening!

I am so ready to dig my claws into you.

@Gorse I'm not sure saying that "everywhere is super leftist we need to be different" is a good faith argument,

I've written roughly forty trillion words to justify it (I think you're gonna have a really fun time reading some of them), and I'd like to think my argument is pretty clear at this point. What else are you looking for?

while you're entitled to preemptively worry you'll be punished for something, I can't see a real reason for concern personally.

Somehow, I knew you wouldn't, but your personal opinion isn't what I'm after. What I'm after is written confirmation that moderators won't shut down threads and/or ban users based on otherwise non-rule-breaking discussions that they disagree with ideologically. All the mods have to do is write it out, in clear, plain language. I'll take it from there. The fact that no one has yet kind of proves my point.

Of course, you certainly don't have to, but, again – if you aren't going to give me that courtesy, you might as well ban me now, because I'll probably break the "secret rules" sometime in the future. (I know nobody's actually going to ban me, I'm making a taunt to show how a recognized and popular member disagrees with certain powers of this website's administrative team.)

RIP Gorse, he's banned.

 

[ZombieFish]

If Spike's figure of 10 out of 123,000 is correct, and I assume it is, I just don't see the fire in all this smoke.

 

[DrunkOcelot]

If Spike's figure of 10 out of 123,000 is correct, and I assume it is, I just don't see the fire in all this smoke.

Earlier Gorse talked about how he has come across instances of mods taking their political stances out on people. So, if that is the case then the fire is already started. It looks like he just wants to put it out before it gets out of control.

 

[Adrastia]

I just want one place I can go where I don't have to deal with politics and its related dumpster fires. I just want to talk about games.

 

[ATenderLad]

I am so ready to dig my claws into you.


I've written roughly forty trillion words to justify it (I think you're gonna have a really fun time reading some of them), and I'd like to think my argument is pretty clear at this point. What else are you looking for?


Somehow, I knew you wouldn't, but your personal opinion isn't what I'm after. What I'm after is written confirmation that moderators won't shut down threads and/or ban users based on otherwise non-rule-breaking discussions that they disagree with ideologically. All the mods have to do is write it out, in clear, plain language. I'll take it from there. The fact that no one has yet kind of proves my point.

Of course, you certainly don't have to, but, again – if you aren't going to give me that courtesy, you might as well ban me now, because I'll probably break the "secret rules" sometime in the future. (I know nobody's actually going to ban me, I'm making a taunt to show how a recognized and popular member disagrees with certain powers of this website's administrative team.)

Well, the forum rules aren't really based around ideology, just having respectful conversation. I think the obsession with me *specifically* is a bit weird, but I've tended bars with grabby patrons. I can't speak for the others, but I figured I'd accept the mod position to help maintain the atmosphere Spike is looking for, not service anyone's persecution complex.

 

[Gorse]

I just don't see the fire in all this smoke.

To my knowledge – which isn't absolute – I don't think there's been a major instance of someone getting banned because a mod disagreed with them. (I was personally been banned with no warning or notification, a long time before anyone else in this thread was here, for making a silly little troll post to a former mod, which is part of why I'm so adamant about this – it's happened before!) But the forum is still in early days, and I want to make sure we're not suffocating what could be an otherwise lively, impassioned community because a mod is having a bad day.

I just want one place I can go where I don't have to deal with politics and its related dumpster fires. I just want to talk about games.

Then do it. You still can! But you shouldn't be limiting what other people can talk about. If you don't like what you see in a thread, exercise some self-control and leave. If we all ended up believing the same things and following the same idiotic rote discussions of "I like this game", "I do too,", "Let's buy another one", blah blah blah, then RGT would be no different than any of the other gaming websites already on the internet. In that case, why not just go to them, instead?

 

[RageBurner]

I'm not the kind to dip my hand into a seemingly placid lava pool, but here we go, I'll say a thing or two.

I'm not a forum veteran (I almost always found such spaces to be terribly repellent) but in the time I've been here people have both agreed and disagreed with me with the utmost level of decency and even, dare I say, gentleness, a word we rarely ever associate with the internet.

I am, in fact a very passionate individual, sometimes to a fault, although I have forced myself to temper this throughout my life. It is my personal belief that the correct way to treat the internet, as far as human relations go, as indistinguishable from "meatspace", if you'll allow me the gall to borrow from cyberpunk for a moment.

Based on that reasoning, we all have our own feelings, our own sets of beliefs and our reasoning to maintain said beliefs, be they as they may, current, outdated, in tune, out of tune, they are still definers of the self.

Why are people so poor at discussing sensitive topics? it's because we, as a species, cannot, for the most part separate a topic from an opinion and we further fail by being mostly unable to separate the topic and opinion from the self. Is that correct and rational? no, but it is nigh on inevitable, because they are core values.

The people that CAN make this separation and go about their lives peacefully, still respecting and caring for their perceived dissenter is the absolute minority among our species, and such people need to be cherished.

Discussions borne from controversy, or leaning towards it - politics, gender, equality and other topics will definitely flare up, since we've come a long way since the baby steps of the then-reemerging industry after the crash. Video games today are large, powerful, sweeping; they absolutely are going to be used to push agendas, we have to live with this, and this has been true for all forms of art.

Despite this, it is my profound and honest belief that very few here would want to see others' feelings hurt, their selves and values invalidated. What we have here, birthed from a common hobby, is a golden ratio of people that are willing to give others space, and expect, in turn, to have their space respected.

The true key to this mystery is intent, and those of ill intent will often betray themselves.

I love you all.

 

[DrunkOcelot]

I'm not the kind to dip my hand into a seemingly placid lava pool, but here we go, I'll say a thing or two.

I'm not a forum veteran (I almost always found such spaces to be terribly repellent) but in the time I've been here people have both agreed and disagreed with me with the utmost level of decency and even, dare I say, gentleness, a word we rarely ever associate with the internet.

I am, in fact a very passionate individual, sometimes to a fault, although I have forced myself to temper this throughout my life. It is my personal belief that the correct way to treat the internet, as far as human relations go, as indistinguishable from "meatspace", if you'll allow me the gall to borrow from cyberpunk for a moment.

Based on that reasoning, we all have our own feelings, our own sets of beliefs and our reasoning to maintain said beliefs, be they as they may, current, outdated, in tune, out of tune, they are still definers of the self.

Why are people so poor at discussing sensitive topics? it's because we, as a species, cannot, for the most part separate a topic from an opinion and we further fail by being mostly unable to separate the topic and opinion from the self. Is that correct and rational? no, but it is nigh on inevitable, because they are core values.

The people that CAN make this separation and go about their lives peacefully, still respecting and caring for their perceived dissenter is the absolute minority among our species, and such people need to be cherished.

Discussions borne from controversy, or leaning towards it - politics, gender, equality and other topics will definitely flare up, since we've come a long way since the baby steps of the then-reemerging industry after the crash. Video games today are large, powerful, sweeping; they absolutely are going to be used to push agendas, we have to live with this, and this has been true for all forms of art.

Despite this, it is my profound and honest belief that very few here would want to see others' feelings hurt, their selves and values invalidated. What we have here, birthed from a common hobby, is a golden ratio of people that are willing to give others space, and expect, in turn, to have their space respected.

The true key to this mystery is intent, and those of ill intent will often betray themselves.

I love you all.

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Long live Retro Game Talk

 

[Gorse]

Well, the forum rules aren't really based around ideology, just having respectful conversation.

That's my point – you shouldn't be able to shut down discussion based on ideology. If you really, genuinely believe what you've written here, you'll agree with me.

I think the obsession with me *specifically* is a bit weird,

You wish I loved you that much! There are other mods here besides you, boy-o, and others still to come, I'm sure. You do fit the phrase "insane internet lefty" to a T, though, and that's kind of my problem with you. (If you get snarky, angry, or passively-aggressively dismissive about me calling you an "insane internet lefty", you've proven my point.)

I can't speak for the others, but I figured I'd accept the mod position to help maintain the atmosphere Spike is looking for, not service anyone's persecution complex.

Excellent! Then, as a mod – in keeping with the "atmosphere Spike is looking for", as defined by the existing forum rules – you'll have no trouble confirming what I've written here:

Moderators cannot ban someone for discussing an otherwise controversial topic in good faith.

As a new representative of the moderation team, you'll have no trouble entertaining the thoughts of the third-most reacted, fourth-most points-awarded, and longest-serving member of the forum in this thread (besides Spike), right? After all, in your words: the forum rules aren't based around ideology, so it shouldn't matter if you disagree with mine – you'll understand that the standpoint I'm coming from is neutral, and could just as easily be used against, say, a right-leaning moderator, if there ever is one.

I don't care about politics. I care about good discussion, which is why I'm on a forum and not a social media channel. Let's not make this any more difficult than it needs to be.

Despite this, it is my profound and honest belief that very few here would want to see others' feelings hurt, their selves and values invalidated.

And this is why I'm not arguing for the removal of the rules about hate speech or anything like that. I don't want people to be offended, and I don't want anyone to feel unsafe here. I want to be able to discuss things like an adult, because I'm one, you're one, and most of us here are. (I know some of us here aren't, but they should wait a few years before posting, because I might say the word "vagina" and I don't want them to see it.)

I love you all.

Oh, RageBurner...! ?

 

[ATenderLad]

I'm not the kind to dip my hand into a seemingly placid lava pool, but here we go, I'll say a thing or two.

I'm not a forum veteran (I almost always found such spaces to be terribly repellent) but in the time I've been here people have both agreed and disagreed with me with the utmost level of decency and even, dare I say, gentleness, a word we rarely ever associate with the internet.

I am, in fact a very passionate individual, sometimes to a fault, although I have forced myself to temper this throughout my life. It is my personal belief that the correct way to treat the internet, as far as human relations go, as indistinguishable from "meatspace", if you'll allow me the gall to borrow from cyberpunk for a moment.

Based on that reasoning, we all have our own feelings, our own sets of beliefs and our reasoning to maintain said beliefs, be they as they may, current, outdated, in tune, out of tune, they are still definers of the self.

Why are people so poor at discussing sensitive topics? it's because we, as a species, cannot, for the most part separate a topic from an opinion and we further fail by being mostly unable to separate the topic and opinion from the self. Is that correct and rational? no, but it is nigh on inevitable, because they are core values.

The people that CAN make this separation and go about their lives peacefully, still respecting and caring for their perceived dissenter is the absolute minority among our species, and such people need to be cherished.

Discussions borne from controversy, or leaning towards it - politics, gender, equality and other topics will definitely flare up, since we've come a long way since the baby steps of the then-reemerging industry after the crash. Video games today are large, powerful, sweeping; they absolutely are going to be used to push agendas, we have to live with this, and this has been true for all forms of art.

Despite this, it is my profound and honest belief that very few here would want to see others' feelings hurt, their selves and values invalidated. What we have here, birthed from a common hobby, is a golden ratio of people that are willing to give others space, and expect, in turn, to have their space respected.

The true key to this mystery is intent, and those of ill intent will often betray themselves.

I love you all.

Hey, you do an awful lot to make this place lively and interesting, and I'm not sure I've said it before, but I've enjoyed all our conversations. Thanks, man.

Long live Retro Game Talk

Lord, I'm just glad the only one missing a leg is the lizard, it might still grow back.

 

[AtlasM]

I love you all.

Love you too, Rage ??