Seeing a lot of Banned users, is that normal?
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Posting hate speech has never been considered 'voicing a legitimate opinion', and never will; the only viable argument over the need for a platform to spew bigotry and freedom of hate speech would be the desire to do so one's self; accepted behavior in some communities, but not on an open-minded video game discussion forum.
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I sold gorse on ebay
I'm sure both of us can intuit which particular philosophies our boy @Waffles referred to but it most certainly wouldn't hurt to have all cards on the table, especially since we're talking about enforcing rules. Can't exactly have room for ambiguity and interpretation. There's good reason for having a no politics rule but seeing as the topic is pretty much inevitable in some settings most of us have skirted that rule at least a little bit. It would be a relief to know we can do so when the need arises without risking retaliation no matter which political aisle you're on.
I'm in two minds about this in a way. On one hand I understand your desire to see the exact regulations we are to be held to. On the other hand I fear that once they're defined beyond 'don't be a dick to people' the mods will be forced to excise posts they would otherwise let fly in the spirit of having an honest and respectful discourse because defining rules to the most minute detail will mean committing to them even if it is to the detriment of the forum. The wardens will be prisoners to the rules as much as the inmates.
The golden Gorse fetches a high price.
He's not talking about spewing hate speech. He's talking about, for example, DEI in gaming. I'm fairly certain that alot of us have varying opinions on it. I don't think any of them should be talked about here. Not one side or the other.
Kinda sad to have to argue against Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.
Isn't that kind of the point of this whole conversation?
Call it a hunch. I've been on a lot of forums over the years, and a few people here have started to rub me up the wrong way. Let's hope none of them are moderators!
So did I! But if I see something ideological in a video game or any other piece of entertainment media, which is undeniably happening (any disagreement on this is simple rejection of reality – the past 10 years have been insanely, provably political, especially in the video game space), and I dislike it... then, yeah, I actually am going to discuss it on the forum. If you don't like that I'm going to do that, permaban me. I dare you. You won't, of course, because I'm a well-spoken, well-valued member of the community who's absence would most likely be missed.
I, and most people who aren't trolls, aren't going to use horrible slurs or aggressive personal insults, but we might voice opinions which may disagree with those of, say, a social media-poisoned, hardcore-left-wing manic-depressive suddenly given a position of "power" on an internet forum. If and when that happens, I don't want to see a moderator shutting down legitimate conversation by saying something like: "ugh, if you guys think this game is "woke", you're just a bunch of weird chuds, and if you keep saying it I'll ban you." (Or, god forbid, just ban them or remove their posts outright with zero warning.)
If it breaks the rules – the rules that have been listed, and that are clearly visible – that's fine. Remove the post, and, if necessary, ban the user. But you, me, and everyone else reading this knows that, a lot of times, that's not what's happening. We're all adults, here – we can discuss touchy or controversial topics, which are undeniably present in modern video gaming, without losing our minds. But some moderators can't do that – they feel like they're saving the world by de-listing conversation that offends them personally, so they use their "power" to harm the community. That's what I have a problem with. In addition to being demonstrably false, as anyone with even the slightest knowledge of post-2024 international geopolitics can realize, it destroys conversation.
It makes a forum – like, say RGT – into every other stupid internet video game board, where the same bland, milquetoast opinions and the same bland, milquetoast memes are posted again and again, forever, because no one wants to get on the wrong side of a mod who's just seen a headline about Donald Trump winning again. If that's what this forum is turning into – and I certainly hope it isn't, but I may be wrong – then, again, it really isn't worth my time. Incidentally, I've just passed the 2,000 reaction score mark, so what I write must carry at least some weight with the community.
xKai (I'm sorry, man, your name is really hard to tag) and @Clippy , that goes for what you two are saying, too. As I've said before: I don't want Retro Game Talk to become like everywhere else. No, we certainly don't have to entertain threats, targeted harassment, or slurs, as listed in the rules – but we should entertain dissenting opinions, even political ones, because that makes for good discussion. What's the worst that could happen – your opponent will convince someone?
Again, I'm not saying that this is what's currently happening on the forum. But it easily is something that could happen, and I want to establish precedent immediately before it does.
And just so we're all clear: I'm not targeting Waffles, nor am I saying that he's guilty of anything I've mentioned above at all. I think he's a really cool, nice guy! I don't know how much I feel that way about the other mods. But, really, my opinion should hold weight regardless of our personal differences, because it applies to discussion on the website as a whole, not my individual vendettas or lack thereof.
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There is alot more to "DEI" and I'd hope you're aware of it. Personally I think it's racist. That's a very shortened form of my opinion, but again, this isn't the place to discuss it.
No, I think I understand it better than you realize; I'm a lot more open than most people generally care to share or even discuss with their closest friends.
That's because I've experienced a lot of good in some of the most unlikely people and in some of the most unlikely places.
But not everyone is ready for that discussion yet.
For example, this guy: Japanese, American Indian, or Mexican? That's a thread topic right there.
Nobody makes an example of Jake Marshall and gets away with it.
Anime-american
My indirect inadvertently racist joke saved a man from getting jumped once.
Those types. Ban evaders. They really should find a more constructive hobby.
I never thanked you for that! You really shouldn't have called that guy a "mountain buffalo", though.
I didn't feel personally attacked by anything of what you have said so far, and listening as members voice their concerns is not only on the job description but it is THE job description.
What's often lost in the shuffle is that moderating is an unpaid, volunteer job, and a lot of things happen every day on a forum of this size and magnitude (you wouldn't believe how many reports and DMs I check every day!). Sometimes it is hard to read it all, but we do our best to ensure that the place remains open and accessible to anyone who wishes to participate. And just referring back to a previous post I made on this very thread, that's basically everyone here.
Excellent! And if you or any of the other mods start getting snippy, you'll be hearing a lot more of my voice in particular. Always remember, never forget: You serve us. I know you know that, Waffles – let's make sure all the mods do.
With all due respect, you and the rest of the mod team are never going to get any emotional leeway from me based on doing a volunteer internet job on a video game forum. I happen to like this site, and if it goes downhill, you're all going to be the first ones I blame, because you're the ones in charge. Sorry, mate – that's real life. Like I said: We're all adults, here.
No I mean it really happened.
It was also involuntary but I thought that was too many adjectives starting with "in" for one sentence.
Well, at the end of the day it is the internet at the end of the day. Is our virtual space in this tiny rocky world in the universe. We all came from different background, places and even if we are all adults, some are older and some are younger. I think the rule is pretty simple, just don’t be an asshole or hassle to the forum. That’s all, we are all trying to have a good time.
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Imma pretty sure they're referring to plain old racism, Jewish hate and n*azi like propaganda rather than I dunno nihilism.
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