Sonic Megathread

[Spike's iconSpike]

There's more than 1 movie?

 

[RageBurner]

They are really banking a lot on this it seems. I don't hate the movies per se, but I feel the resources would be better spent making better Sonic games.

 

[Toppis Toppis]

This release date is too long to wait

 

[ShibbyDealer]

I like the classic Sonic games, mostly, but nowadays I don't really think I could play their vanilla versions anymore.

I really prefer playing versions like Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic 3 A.I.R.. Basically decomps with mods and widescreen support. Even spent last afternoon setting them all up on my Retroid. Between those and Sonic Mania on it, I'm very happy with my end result.

After seeing the love and attention that got put into that fan remake of Sonic Triple Trouble, I home someone does the same for Sonic Chaos, that one was always my favorite of the 8-bit Sonic games.

Wait, those are a thing?
I've been meaning to replay the trilogy and this is really eye-opening. Thanks so much!

 

[Jeff]

This release date is too long to wait

At least The second Mario Movie is releasing next year.

 

[Toppis Toppis]

At least The second Mario Movie is releasing next year.

yeah i will wait for that

 

[tenkai star]

Yes keep milking it and put all the profits into shining force 4 sega pls

 

[Gorse]

Yes keep milking it and put all the profits into shining force 4 sega pls

They'll just put it into another shit Shining RPG, instead. ? ?

 

[tenkai star]

They'll just put it into another shit Shining RPG, instead. ? ?

 

[Ikagura]

I'd love if someone game the treatment for 3D Blast, Spinball and Chaotix.

It would be rad to be able to play 3DB with the possibility of changing music on the get go.

 

[fake-chan]

They are really banking a lot on this it seems. I don't hate the movies per se, but I feel the resources would be better spent making better Sonic games.

You're saying it like there ever was a good Sonic game.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

I didn't even know they had made a second one...

 

[Leon]

Wait, those are a thing?
I've been meaning to replay the trilogy and this is really eye-opening. Thanks so much!

Sonic 3 A.I.R. and sonic 3 Complete are both better than sonic 3 & knuckles, which of those 2 you think is better varies between people, i prefer complete for example.

 

[MasterEn]

They are really banking a lot on this it seems. I don't hate the movies per se, but I feel the resources would be better spent making better Sonic games.

i disagree. sonic has survived as long as he has on the characters and music. even the games that people rave about still get critiques and criticism from those who like it.
sega never seems to stick with an idea or game engine for more than 1-2 games before bailing on it. even when it gets lots of praise, they drop the idea.
the cartoons seem to be far more universally liked and well received on average by anyone who watches them. i'm not a big sonic fan, but i did watch some of sonic x and sonic boom; the later seems to be rather high quality despite the tie-in game.
it makes more sense to make more cartoons or movies, than more games.

 

[RageBurner]

i disagree. sonic has survived as long as he has on the characters and music. even the games that people rave about still get critiques and criticism from those who like it.
sega never seems to stick with an idea or game engine for more than 1-2 games before bailing on it. even when it gets lots of praise, they drop the idea.
the cartoons seem to be far more universally liked and well received on average by anyone who watches them. i'm not a big sonic fan, but i did watch some of sonic x and sonic boom; the later seems to be rather high quality despite the tie-in game.
it makes more sense to make more cartoons or movies, than more games.

The fact Sega is so inconsistent with games is all the more reason why they need to get their priorities straight. Regardless of mass media recognition, games are still the core of IP, at least that's my take.

 

[MasterEn]

The fact Sega is so inconsistent with games is all the more reason why they need to get their priorities straight. Regardless of mass media recognition, games are still the core of IP, at least that's my take.

yeah, they need consistency. that's why mario and mega man still hold up in quality and popularity: consistent game play.
i don't think sega has that as a high priority. it seems like their self-inflected wounds from sonic '06 is still nice and wide open. the movies might help finally close that up a small bit.

 

[Ikagura]

Sonic 3 A.I.R. and Sonic 3 Complete are both better than Sonic 3 & Knuckles, which of those 2 you think is better varies between people, I prefer complete for example.

S3C is arguably better for devices that can only run emulators (like a linker for the DS or a dedicated emulation machine).

S3AIR is great on PC and more advanced mods that the Genesis couldn't have handled. It's good that both are present.

Sonic 3&K vanilla is still a competent game (and doesn't really suffer too much from the later levels being a difficulty spike).

As for romhacks I think I'll always go by S3C, Sonic Classic Heroes for 1&2 and 3D Blast DX. There's no significant Knuckles Chaotix, Mean Bean Machine nor Spinball hacks yet...

 

[Leon]

S3C is arguably better for devices that can only run emulators (like a linker for the DS or a dedicated emulation machine).

S3AIR is great on PC and more advanced mods that the Genesis couldn't have handled. It's good that both are present.

Sonic 3&K vanilla is still a competent game (and doesn't really suffer too much from the later levels being a difficulty spike).

As for romhacks I think I'll always go by S3C, Sonic Classic Heroes for 1&2 and 3D Blast DX. There's no significant Knuckles Chaotix, Mean Bean Machine nor Spinball hacks yet...

The biggest problem i have with A.I.R. is the lack of a prototype stage planning layout, aka flying battery after carnival night for example.

 

[Ikagura]

The biggest problem i have with A.I.R. is the lack of a prototype stage planning layout, aka flying battery after carnival night for example.

Honestly, while I understand that FBZ happening between CNZ and ICZ was the planned order (almost a Director's Cut of 3&K) I think that it's not that big of a deal, I tried that once but I think that the difficulty curve of the game makes it better with the release order.

On the other hand I prefer when Big Arms and the harder Sonic 3 Standalone Launch Base Zone are an option to make it feels more like a "Disc 1 climax" before entering the & Knuckles half of the game.

 

[Darklink]

Sonic 3 A.I.R. and sonic 3 Complete are both better than sonic 3 & knuckles, which of those 2 you think is better varies between people, i prefer complete for example.

I generally prefer Sonic 3 AIR, since I really do like the widescreen support, and it does have the drop dash, which nowadays I almost always want in my 2D Sonic lol.

Though I do have Sonic 3 Complete on my little retro emulation handheld. Sonic 3&K is just a fun time all around.

 

[Ikagura]

I generally prefer Sonic 3 AIR, since I really do like the widescreen support, and it does have the drop dash, which nowadays I almost always want in my 2D Sonic lol.

Though I do have Sonic 3 Complete on my little retro emulation handheld. Sonic 3&K is just a fun time all around.

Widescreen and drop dash are perfect additions to the classic series indeed.

 

[ShibbyDealer]

For some reason I could never figure out the drop dash in Mania, so I don't really care if a game has it or not. I'm more concerned over having a peel-out, which I couldn't find the option for in A.I.R.

 

[Darklink]

For some reason I could never figure out the drop dash in Mania, so I don't really care if a game has it or not. I'm more concerned over having a peel-out, which I couldn't find the option for in A.I.R.

In order to use the peel-out you have to unlock 13 achievements first.

They did similar with the drop dash, but that one was at least 7 achievements.

I just messed with the config file to brute force it unlocked. Though I imagine you can just get a full save and that'd be easier.

 

[Ikagura]

In order to use the peel-out you have to unlock 13 achievements first.

They did similar with the drop dash, but that one was at least 7 achievements.

I just messed with the config file to brute force it unlocked. Though I imagine you can just get a full save and that'd be easier.

I'll be honest: I hate options being locked behind achievements.

Sure, achievements are fun to see in a sourceport of a retro game but please let your users enjoy their game the way they want because most already have finished the original. Especially if you've installed the game again.

S3C let you use any options as crazy as you wanted it to be.


PS: If it was something cosmetic like Sonic 1&2&CD Sonic sprite and Knuckles & Tails it would be fine to me.

 

[DanVzare]

Has anyone mentioned the Sonic Classic Heroes romhack yet?
It's personally my favourite way to play through the first two Sonic games, because for me, it fixes everything wrong with those games. Most notably, it adds a save feature, gives the chaos emeralds a reason to exist on the first Sonic game (other than a slightly different ending), and gives all of the characters their Sonic 3 abilities as well as letting you swap between them on the fly.

As for Sonic AIR.
Meh... it could be better. Sure it's got widescreen and mod support, but that's about it. And I feel like that widescreen could be added to a romhack if someone hasn't already (there's certainly an emulator that'd support it).
As for the mod support, from what I could tell, there weren't any worthwhile mods finished yet. You'd think someone would've added in proper co-op support, so you can go through the entire campaign in splitscreen, mixing and matching any two characters, or perhaps even adding in the levels from Sonic 1, 2, and maybe even CD and Chaotix. All for the ultimate Sonic experience!
But nope, it's just Sonic 3 with widescreen and mod support.
I personally think Sonic Delta and Sonic 3 Complete are both better. They also don't require you to complete the game to unlock basic moves like the peel-out. ¬¬