Seeing a lot of Banned users, is that normal?

[ATenderLad]

We're all pretty invested at this point. You guys should have a duel or something

We used to do that in high school, with trucks, bungie cords, skateboards and pool noodles. I think most of those falls I took would just kill me now, aging suuuuuuucks

 

[raveci]

admin be admin, admin ban around, admin do oopsie sometimes, no biggie, don't try to explain it

 

[Cheela]

We used to do that in high school, with trucks, bungie cords, skateboards and pool noodles. I think most of those falls I took would just kill me now, aging suuuuuuucks

Just like Skate or Die for the NES

 

[AtlasM]

We used to do that in high school, with trucks, bungie cords, skateboards and pool noodles. I think most of those falls I took would just kill me now, aging suuuuuuucks

Nobody has to fall if it's Wild West style with nerf or water gun

 

[RageBurner]

RGT: Duel Arc.

 

[DrunkOcelot]

We used to do that in high school, with trucks, bungie cords, skateboards and pool noodles. I think most of those falls I took would just kill me now, aging suuuuuuucks

I know how you feel man

 

[ATenderLad]

I know how you feel manView attachment 10733

Oh, you go to school with my son? Nice boy.

 

[Gorse]

I don't mean to sound snide, dear Gorse, but it looks to me like you are trying to create your own precedent here.

I am! That's why I laid one out, very clearly. You'll see it below:

No matter how many annotations he puts on the rules

I think just one is enough: Moderators should not be able to ban someone for discussing an otherwise controversial topic in good faith.

How do you determine what is good faith though?

Simple: by making detailed, well-written, rational arguments (peppered perhaps with some acerbic wit, where necessary) free from low-quality insults, personal attacks, or threats. We've all done it – it's not hard!

What if somebody wants to discuss the merits of the Nationalist Socialist Party in good faith? Who would tolerate that?

I... can't imagine why anyone would actually do this on RGT, because this is a video game forum (HELLO, NEW WOLFENSTEIN TOPIC!!!), but as long as it doesn't break the rules, I don't see why the ol' Jerries can't be touched on now and then, just so long as nobody's being hateful or spreading propaganda or whatever. Again – we're adults. We can handle a bit of Hitler chat, especially if it's a silly joke or a historical tidbit. I always thought the moustache was a cute touch.

From where I'm standing, we already have that. I don't think a trial by fire is necessary.

I haven't been here that long, but from where I'm standing it does seem like there's not alot of nefarious modding going on.

I'd love to give the mods the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that everything I've written has been replied to with nothing but either the phrase "get over it" or a simplistic insult is kind of proof enough that I shouldn't.

Making long, outlandish posts, dripping with snide remarks, and then insisting I'm attacking you doesn't feel like anything but a grab for attention.

Why, I could say the same about the short, ultra-petty, super-smug replies you've given me! (Your most recent few make good examples.) The difference is that I'm not a mod.

The only argument you've made is that, based entirely on my addition, the mod team should commit to a pledge you've designed.

OK, first off, the phrase "persecution" has been used a lot in this thread, but now I'm going to use it towards you, because I specifically avoided mentioning any mod until they engaged with me directly. This isn't a "you" problem – it's a moderation problem. Potentially, of course.

The rest has just been you insisting we have no choice but to do as you say, or ban you. (Also on your insistence.)

I'm not saying you have no choice... I'm saying you have no argument. I don't really think you do.

Assuming that I'll ban someone for mentioning DEI or Woke is just that, an assumption. They're obviously very broad, nebulous terms, we couldn't simply agree that no one who invokes them won't see some kind of moderation. Some folks use them for a topic, others as a dogwhistle.

But that's my point: if someone brings up these controversial topics in good faith, why shouldn't we be allowed to discuss them? If I say "I HATE ALL PEOPLE WITH GREEN EYES", obviously that's not in good faith, but if I say "Well, there are an awful lot of people with green eyes in video games these game, let's talk about them.", surely that must be. See my definition of "good faith" above – can you really say you disagree?

(Consequently I'd say they start to railroad conversation more than empower it, and would rather see people use more specific language and examples, as opposed to waving to a catch-all term.)

I... agree with you? What is this world coming to? But people do use them, and they're not tainted words – they, when used in good faith, carry meaning, and should be treated as such. (And let's not pretend any single one of us is above using internet shorthand.)

So what?

So... I'm part of the community that you... allegedly... serve. A pretty big part, I'd say (though certainly not the biggest, but at the very least a regular.) I've raised a point which I'd like to be entertained. You, a mod, have given me snarky insult after snarky insult, proving my point in triplicate. Great!!!!!!!!!!

Hell, I didn't even dislike you before, despite our arguments.

All good things come to an end, I'm afraid.

Nah we've had like two negative interactions and a lot more positive ones, I didn't really think he cared this much.

You know, I was just thinking about giving some dumb snarky reply, but the entire point I've been trying to make is that I do care. I like being part of this community, and I don't want it to become the same other places on the internet I don't like, due to the same moderation issues that plague every other internet forum today. That's why I'm being so adamant about this.

I'll let someone else close the thread so it doesn't look like I've gone mad with, uh, limited power.

I really hope someone does, because then I'll be able to rest my case.

You guys should have a duel or something

Me and @ATenderLad . Ten paces at sundown, behind the old saloon. BE THERE.

 

[χKai]

I am so ready to dig my claws into you.

I think I'm in love;  again. x_x

 

[Gorse]

I think I'm in love;  again. x_x

People, please — there’s enough Gorse to go around!

 

[RageBurner]

You guys are incorrigible, I'm legit laughing here.

 

[Strategist]

Simple: by making detailed, well-written, rational arguments (peppered perhaps with some acerbic wit, where necessary) free from low-quality insults, personal attacks, or threats. We've all done it – it's not hard!

Well, you are already allowed to do that, at the mod's discretion. Remember that your rights only go so far as mine. If enough people get offended or disturbed by what you are writing, it makes sense for a mod to shut it down from a utilitarian "best for the whole community perspective".

I... can't imagine why anyone would actually do this on RGT, because this is a video game forum (HELLO, NEW WOLFENSTEIN TOPIC!!!), but as long as it doesn't break the rules, I don't see why the ol' Jerries can't be touched on now and then, just so long as nobody's being hateful or spreading propaganda or whatever. Again – we're adults. We can handle a bit of Hitler chat, especially if it's a silly joke or a historical tidbit. I always thought the moustache was a cute touch.

Well, there's already a forum for that stuff. Its called 4chan. Not sure why we need to recreate that hive of scum and villainy over here.

 

[χKai]

You know... we could have closed this topic 150 posts ago, but we kept it going out of genuine curiosity for what the community felt were their biggest concerns.

I honestly really appreciate it; it's been a real good outlet for people to discuss the direction of the forums.

I never expected such a hot topic out of my simple question. It all began when I saw Gorse's custom title.

 

[DrunkOcelot]

Well, you are already allowed to do that, at the mod's discretion. Remember that your rights only go so far as mine. If enough people get offended or disturbed by what you are writing, it makes sense for a mod to shut it down from a utilitarian "best for the whole community perspective".



Well, there's already a forum for that stuff. Its called 4chan. Not sure why we need to recreate that cesspool over here.

The dude isn't trying to advocate into turning this place into 4chan.

 

[RageBurner]

I honestly really appreciate it; it's been a real good outlet for people to discuss the direction of the forums.

I never expected such a hot topic out of my simple question. It all began when I saw Gorse's custom title.

Sometimes a little spark is all it takes. The title took me aback, too, haha.

 

[Strategist]

The dude isn't trying to advocate into turning this place into 4chan.

I have no idea what he's advocating for, to be honest.

 

[Cheela]

I honestly really appreciate it; it's been a real good outlet for people to discuss the direction of the forums.

I never expected such a hot topic out of my simple question. It all began when I saw Gorse's custom title.

It was for @Gorse title all along??? I thought that it was for the guy spamming low effort threads all over the forum

 

[RageBurner]

I have no idea what he's advocating for to be honest.

From what I understand he wants a degree of surety that open discussion of controversial topics will be allowed regardless of the moderation's particular stances, which I agree with in spirit but in any community a certain degree of personal freedom is set aside for the benefit of the whole, so.

 

[DrunkOcelot]

It was for @Gorse title all along??? I thought that it was for the guy spamming low effort threads all over the forum

Same.

 

[Strategist]

From what I understand he wants a degree of surety that open discussion of controversial topics will be allowed despite the moderation's particular stances, which I agree with in spirit but in any community a certain degree of freedom is set aside for the benefit of the whole so.

Well the only sure thing in life is death and taxes. As far as forums goes, this one is pretty reasonable and permissive while also giving the mods enough power to rid the site of the scum of the internet. No forum is going to give the users a blank check to post whatever they feel like.

 

[Gorse]

If enough people get offended or disturbed by what you are writing, it makes sense for a mod to shut it down from a utilitarian "best for the whole community perspective".

If that’s what was happening — if a bunch of users were telling a mod that a certain poster was making them legitimately uncomfortable — then I guess it would be fair enough to ban the user, though I think they should be given at least a warning (and maybe a DM outreach if that user is otherwise decent), first. But that’s kind of the opposite of what I’m talking about, which is moderator overreach based on nothing but their own emotional response.

Well, there's already a forum for that stuff. It’s called 4chan. Not sure why we need to recreate that cesspool over here.

I don’t want this place to be 4chan, either! But I also don’t want it to be Reddit or NeoGAF, or any other forum. If I did… I’d just go there, instead.

I have no idea what he's advocating for, to be honest.

From what I understand he wants a degree of surety that open discussion of controversial topics will be allowed despite the moderation's particular stances,

Guys, I love you both, but I’ve used this exact line (I’ve actually been copy-pasting it) again and again:

Moderators should not be able to ban someone for discussing an otherwise controversial topic in good faith.

That’s the long and short of it. I don’t want anything else.

It all began when I saw Gorse's custom title.

This custom title is the best idea I’ve had on this forum yet.

 

[χKai]

I think this is about as political as the site policy will allow us to get, at this point.

 

[AtlasM]

This custom title is the best idea I’ve had on this forum yet.

I'll steal it and make it "Baked (Permanent)"

 

[RageBurner]

I suppose in part @Gorse's concern stems from the slippery slope phenomenon, but again, I don't think you'll find the kind of leniency and freedom we enjoy here elsewhere on the internet.

 

[DrunkOcelot]

I'll steal it and make it "Baked (Permanent)"

Sounds like me, but I think we're thinking of different things.