Pragmata was... just okay

For some reason the initial reveal trailer gave me the impression we had something special here (like I argued in my OP), so when we entered said development hell I was terrified that this special thing was gonna get canned, and when the new trailers finally came out and picked up the hype I prayed that it would actually reach the finish line.
Yeah i remember when game was announced i think it supposed to be something special
But then game stuck in dev hell, it was originally ps4 exclusive and eventually it end up not even releasing on p4
 
But then game stuck in dev hell, it was originally ps4 exclusive and eventually it end up not even releasing on p4
The same thing happened to Lost Soul Aside. Announced for PS4, and got moved to PS5.

Let's not forget The Last Guardian, which was supposed to be a PS3 exclusive, got moved to PS4.
 
Yeah, I don't do cultural stereotyping, nor make excuses for it.
Well yes but, stereotypes exist for a good reason, or as a friend of mine would say "it's not racism, just pattern recognition"; unpleasant, I know.
 
Well yes but, stereotypes exist for a good reason, or as a friend of mine would say "it's not racism, just pattern recognition"; unpleasant, I know.
Bullshit. There are fun stereotypes, like the one you see in Punch Out or later Street Fighter games. Then there's this which is not. Once again, I don't make excuses, and there is really nothing "loli" about Diane. The same applies to robot human looking kids like Astro Boy and Mega Man/Rock. You don't see any person calling them a "shota" at all. This is nothing more than bullshit stereotyping/xenophobia, projection, or all of the above depending on the person.
 
The same thing happened to Lost Soul Aside. Announced for PS4, and got moved to PS5.

Let's not forget The Last Guardian, which was supposed to be a PS3 exclusive, got moved to PS4.
And all those games end up being okay at best, what a surprise
My guess Pragmata had some interesting and unique ideas, but than crapcom saw it and said "nah that's too original this video game looks too much like a video game" and turned it into generic over the shoulder shooter

Also i saw people call Astro boy shota, there is literally nothing "xenophobic" about loli and shota words please stop spreading nonsense
 
Bullshit. There are fun stereotypes, like the one you see in Punch Out or later Street Fighter games.
Stereotypes don't have to be fun. What are you even on about?
Then there's this which is not. Once again, I don't make excuses, and there is really nothing "loli" about Diane.
Diana is the perfect definition of a "loli", a robot created by humans to look and act like a child forever.
The same applies to robot human looking kids like Astro Boy and Mega Man/Rock. You don't see any person calling them a "shota" at all.
I'm pretty sure those characters do fit the definition of "shota".
This is nothing more than bullshit stereotyping/xenophobia, projection, or all of the above depending on the person.
Not all pattern recognition comes from being xenophobic, sometimes we have to accept the simple fact that some cultures are just different and have their own set of values and morals.
 
And all those games end up being okay at best, what a surprise
I wouldn't call Lost Soul Aside 'ok'. Neither Pragmata. If you haven't played either, then I don't wanna hear else, otherwise.
Not all pattern recognition comes from being xenophobic, sometimes we have to accept the simple fact that some cultures are just different and have their own set of values and morals
Yeah, but I don't make blind assumptions or just assume off the back of my head like that. Especially when you don't even know the actual person.
My guess Pragmata had some interesting and unique ideas, but than crapcom saw it and said "nah that's too original this video game looks too much like a video game" and turned it into generic over the shoulder shooter
It's not really generic. The game does open up, but you're only assuming on the very early parts. I've gotten a bit further into the game, and it really does open up. Generic would mean that it's just another cover shooter, or it would have anything to stand out. This game has more than enough gameplay elements to stand out. I recommend watching those castle super beast videos.

Stereotypes don't have to be fun.
I should have used quotation marks, but if you know then, you know. Don't let the title fool you, it covers all aspects of the Punch Out franchise. Though, if you wanted to get to the main point, then I recommend getting to the 3 minute+ mark.


Now we're getting way off topic, and I already made my points. If the two of you don't get this, then there's nothing else that needs to be said and a waste of my time.

Now, you're either in or out for Pragmata.
 
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I'm around 6 hours into the game and it's definitely my favorite game of the year so far -- though we're not even halfway through the year. The bond between the characters, the sci-fi setting, and the puzzle-based shooting combat all appeals to me.
 
Well yes but, stereotypes exist for a good reason, or as a friend of mine would say "it's not racism, just pattern recognition"; unpleasant, I know.
Sorry but people using the"pattern recognition" rhetoric are more than likely vehiculating actually racist and/or xenophobic ideas because they're also using their personal observation as a proof when it's a logical fallacy.

Of course it's easier to assume that because it's a different culture it must be wrong to do something when Western culture isn't devoid of flaws either.

Also assuming that because the child looking character is from a Japanese game therefore there are systematically some malicious intent from the devs is disingenuous if not having a completely biased conclusion towards said thing.
 
I don't have the hardware for this game so I can't play it even if I wanted to. But I dislike the design of the robot girl. It's just so bad. The stupid looking coat. No shoes. Messy hair that needs to be trimmed. Then it looks like she's got light makeup on despite looking 7. The guy is so generic looking so every dadslop player can self insert. Hugh is a dorky name. ect...

Anyway, it's not like games with fug designs can't be good. But from what I've seen it doesn't look like it's a lot of fun after awhile. Is it just hack/shoot, hack/shoot over and over?

What do other women think of dadslop games? Would you like momslop games? Maybe like something similar to Aliens?
 
Sorry but people using the"pattern recognition" rhetoric are more than likely vehiculating actually racist and/or xenophobic ideas
Pattern recognition is not racist or xenophobic especially if it is backed up with real data.
because they're also using their personal observation as a proof when it's a logical fallacy.
If personal observation and experience are a "logical fallacy", then everythig you've said must be wrong too since you speak from your own personal observation and experience and no one else's.
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I wouldn't call Lost Soul Aside 'ok'. Neither Pragmata. If you haven't played either, then I don't wanna hear else, otherwise.
I played and finished both, and I can say without a shred of doubt that both games where average at best.
Yeah, but I don't make blind assumptions or just assume off the back of my head like that.
LMAO you make blind assumptions about people here on RGT all the time, kid.
Especially when you don't even know the actual person.
I don't know the developers of the game, but I know the japanese culture far better than you might think meaning.
 
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Pattern recognition is not racist or xenophobic especially if it is backed up with real data.
Data from whom? And which sample (because 200 persons don't represent the full population)?

You could have a bad experience with people wearing glasses that doesn't mean that having myopia is correlated with you having a bad experience.

I'd even say that correlation doesn't always lead to causality either.

People are using the pattern recognition excuse to legitimise their biased view on many things.

Furthermore your point was about the fact that "the game is japanese sooo......." (which may imply that it's more wrong than if it was a western one). You are twisting the original intent solely based on the dev's nationality rather than what the game has in content-wise.

but I know the Japanese culture far better than you might think meaning.
Japanese culture isn't flawless yet I'd still argue that western culture is neither and I'd simply tell that sweeping in front of your door before commenting about others could be a good start.


PS: I hope the topic won't be locked (or deleted) yet I'd prefer people to not have dubious implications about the game with baseless claims and prejudice towards the people behind it.
 
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I don't have the hardware for this game so I can't play it even if I wanted to. But I dislike the design of the robot girl. It's just so bad. The stupid looking coat. No shoes. Messy hair that needs to be trimmed. Then it looks like she's got light makeup on despite looking 7. The guy is so generic looking so every dadslop player can self insert. Hugh is a dorky name. ect...

Anyway, it's not like games with fug designs can't be good. But from what I've seen it doesn't look like it's a lot of fun after awhile. Is it just hack/shoot, hack/shoot over and over?

What do other women think of dadslop games? Would you like momslop games? Maybe like something similar to Aliens?

Another resonating post!

Yes somewhat similar or at least adding to my previous post, the characters, their relationship, that aspect is forgettable, it is though, especially generic spaceman, cosplaying as Issac Clarke.

Sure the gameplay could be something, but i hiiiiighly doubt it's got any form of lasting impact to shake the gaming sphere in any form, that and the novelty wearing off after a mere few hours.

For the time this had to cook and outside of those pretty visuals and cinematics, it's again just 'oh a another one' to add to the pile of the Sony modern day resume.

Kind of reminds me of my hate of RE9 which remains unchanged after several months, but it's just my opinion. just like this take. Want to love it, can't.
 
especially generic spaceman, cosplaying as Issac Clarke.
Less Issac, and more Sam Gideon if he were an astronaut, and never joined DARPA. Once again, same guy who worked on Vanquish, worked on this team. If you're gonna use a cosplay knockoff joke, at least get that part right.

lasting impact to shake the gaming sphere in any form, that and the novelty wearing off after a mere few hours.
Considering how fast this game is selling and the great receptions on practically all sides, I highly doubt that. That is pretty much your bias and prejudgment talking.

Kind of reminds me of my hate of RE9 which remains unchanged after several months, but it's just my opinion. just like this take. Want to love it, can't.
You can have your opinion however you want, but it sounds more like a you problem than anything related to either games More so on Pragmata.
 
Data from whom? And which sample (because 200 persons don't represent the full population)?
You could have a bad experience with people wearing glasses that doesn't mean that having myopia is correlated with you having a bad experience.

I'd even say that correlation doesn't always lead to causality either.

People are using the pattern recognition excuse to legitimise their biased view on many things.

Furthermore your point was about the fact that "the game is japanese sooo......." (which may imply that it's more wrong than if it was a western one). You are twisting the original intent solely based on the dev's nationality rather than what the game has in content-wise.


Japanese culture isn't flawless yet I'd still argue that western culture is neither and I'd simply tell that sweeping in front of your door before commenting about others could be a good start.


PS: I hope the topic won't be locked (or deleted) yet I'd prefer people to not have dubious implications about the game with baseless claims and prejudice towards the people behind it.
I was referring to the simple fact that in japanese (also chinese and korean) entertainment (mainly manga and anime) it is normal to sexualise lolis even if only a little, just look at the mahou shoujo subgenre; also look at the mobile games made in those countries in which at least 30% of the cast are lolis that the player can "date".
 
I was referring to the simple fact that in japanese (also chinese and korean) entertainment (mainly manga and anime) it is normal to sexualise lolis even if only a little, just look at the mahou shoujo subgenre; also look at the mobile games made in those countries in which at least 30% of the cast are lolis that the player can "date".
None of that is present in Pragmata.
 
Capcom nowadays feel stale. They seem to me to sell more on hype than really great quality games...
 
Well yes but, stereotypes exist for a good reason
Do I even need to say anything atp, wdfym “stereotypes exist for a good reason”

How do you type this, look at it, revise it, and then post something like that and think that will go over well? 💀
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Hem Hem right yes Pragmata uhhhh
Diana looks like Roll
I like Roll, I wish she was playable in the games outside of Powered Up
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Capcom nowadays feel stale. They seem to me to sell more on hype than really great quality games...
That is definitely untrue. Look, I get, we're all interested in different things, and certain games didn't work for others or vice versa, but they've been on a great roll. Fine?If you're not interested in any of these, but let's not downplay their actual accomplishments. Most of the games that have come out are more than just "hype". I wasn't interested in games like any of the monster hunters, their spinoffs, nor Path of the Goddess, but catcom are still one of the few a a a comedies left that even bothered to do new I.Ps and experimentation that succeeded and works. I get you are burned before, but guess what? You're not the only one. All of us were hurt or got disappointed in some capacity, during their dork age. I will still call out when they screw up badly or get too greedy, but I'm not gonna let it rule my life. To do so is foolish and really doesn't help anyone. Let alone yourself. So let's drop this pathetic pity party.

I will say Exoprimal is disappointing, and there's no point getting attached as one day to servers might go down and there's no chance to even bother playing it again. Otherwise, Capcom has been doing well and they got more exciting things to come.
 

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