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[tropicalavera]

I don't think you should tell anybody irl (specially therapists) about your issues, it would be better to tell them online or keep them to yourself

literally the dumbest most harmful opinion I've come across in some time???

 

[IyoTheHelpfulWolf]

literally the dumbest most harmful opinion I've come across in some time???

Unfortunately, it's the opinion of people who have been hurt for reaching out. Some people have trouble finding support in their local community because they're very different from said community, or have issues said community doesn't know how to deal with. If that person is also a teenager, then the issue is compounded because people are more likely to dismiss his or her troubles as entitled teenage angst.

 

[Jeanfranc]

it is funny to see cute cartoon characters calling you mentally deficient; but I dislike it when translators make their own script, it's like they wanted to be writers and they're doing this job begrugingly

Yeah it's hilarious and It's probably way funnier than whatever was in the original script;
Of course, throwing away the original script and making stuff up is not great and it's disrespectful of the original writer's vision, which should be adapted and localized in a faithful (but not literal) way when translating.

That being said, if throwing away the script and making stuff up makes the writing better I'm all for it actually: people always say that they want "faithful" translations but then praise the hell out of the script of games like Trails in the Sky, where Xseed made up most of the script and changed the protagonist entire personality (ironically enough, It's a Falcom game like Popful mail).
You see, people tend to be somewhat hypocritical about this, they don't care how faithful the script is if it's better than the original's (Basically every Falcom game localized by Xseed, Final Fantasy IX, Skies of Arcadia ecc.)

I'd be down for an edgy cutesy made by westerners

Unfortunately, edgy western games died 10 years ago at least

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Yeah it's hilarious and It's probably way funnier than whatever was in the original script;
Of course, throwing away the original script and making stuff up is not great and it's disrespectful of the original writer's vision, which should be adapted and localized in a faithful (but not literal) way when translating.

That being said, if throwing away the script and making stuff up makes the writing better I'm all for it actually: people always say that they want "faithful" translations but then praise the hell out of the script of games like Trails in the Sky, where Xseed made up most of the script and changed the protagonist entire personality (ironically enough, It's a Falcom game like Popful mail).
You see, people tend to be somewhat hypocritical about this, they don't care how faithful the script is if it's better than the original's (Basically every Falcom game localized by Xseed, Final Fantasy IX, Skies of Arcadia ecc.)

Unfortunately, edgy western games died 10 years ago at least

I never agreed with "improving" the script, I think it's the stupidest concept
I'm glad that nowdays there's a bunch of "retranslation" patches, I wish they were more common
It's really really Really annoying how half the rpgs I wanna try I gotta look up if they fucked with the script or not

I appreciate the ones for the first two 3ds fire emblem games, they really show just how up their own ass nintendo tree house is where they changed it so much it was practically a different game
Thankfully there's fanmade translations for the vita Trails games too


Yeah, I miss edgy games dearly; for whatever reason millennials and some zoomers are as pro-censorship anti-edgy as boomers when it comes to that, I never saw that coming but c'est la vie

I have a suspicion capcom isnt re-realeasing god hand because the first boss alone is too problematic lol

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I play fangames too and its not beating SonicCD and AIR, but as far as commercial games go I can't think of one truly bad thing to say about mania

It looks and controls great, plus' new characters are awesome, fantastic music both when it comes to remixes and original pieces

I want more original stages instead of chemical plant zone too but the remixes are still creative in their own way, the transitions between og levels and remixes are neat

Its also got way way better bosses than most of the 2d games, their creativity reminds me lf cd

"Its only good bc of nostalgia" is stupid, I didnt even grow up with sonic, I started liking in in high school (2012 when playing sonic cd on ps3)

"if we didn't get Sonic Lost World nor Boom people wouldn't have cared the slightest about it.".
I wanted an official megadrive style game and I dont think I was alone with how many ppl loved it

When it comes to fangames sadly most suffers from the "it will never be finished" syndrome, even Robo Blast 2 (a great one with semi infinite modding capabilities) is still technically unfinished so I understand why some people prefers to play the official MD games + Mania.

I do wish Plus added more than two characters and a new game mode that is basically an Arrange Mode (we got the first half of Angel Island Act 1 and that's it).

Shame that Sega and the Sonic Team, by hubris and jealousy, didn't let Whitehead to make a sequel to Mania (even 50/50 old/new levels would've been sufficient for me, especially if they ended up adding Starlight Zone and probably Ice Cap despite the music copyright issue if they let Tee Lopes making a new composition for it).

Chemical Plant is still great in Generations and Mania's respective second act (yes, I think that CPZ in boost form easily equals most of Unleashed's Day levels in term of level design) but I do agree that Green Hills got overused.

Bosses are hit or miss in Sonic regardless of 2D and 3D. Egg Beetle is a great boost boss, Egg Golem a great Adventure Style one and perhaps the pillar boss from Sonic 2 was interesting. They're more akin to puzzle games than proper bosses in 2D.

I feel that while nostalgia is a huge factor for Sega I think it's a moot point when it's also the case for many other games (like Mario Odyssey using 2D NES style sections).

Also the presence of bad games does not mean it will be automatically good either, if the game is good it's good regardless if the next one is worse.

I'd be down for an edgy cutesy made by westerners

Yeah, I miss edgy games dearly; for whatever reason millennials and some zoomers are as pro-censorship anti-edgy as boomers when it comes to that, I never saw that coming but c'est la vie

I think that while people miss the early to mid 00's edginess we also got overfed but I don't understand why mainstream entertainment made a 180°.

I don't mind seeing a semi-return of edgy stuff (like Strangers in Paradise) but a good equilibrium of dark and light moments is better.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I think that while people miss the early to mid 00's edginess we also got overfed but I don't understand why mainstream entertainment made a 180°.

I don't mind seeing a semi-return of edgy stuff (like Strangers in Paradise) but a good equilibrium of dark and light moments is better.

I don't miss stuff like Shadow the hedgehog or the gritty bomberman reboot or prince of persia warrior within that's for sure, forcing stuff into being edgy is crap; but I do miss Postal 2 or Manhunt 2 or old GTA. Even the newer games in two of those series just don't have the same carefree magic

Tell me more about this Strangers in Paradise

 

[Tonberry]

Tell me more about this Strangers in Paradise

It’s a reimagining of Final Fantasy 1 as an action game, but it’s got that shitty unironic teenager edge from the 2000s all over it. It’s incredibly corny (in a bad way I think, like a non-self aware DMC).
It’s the brainchild of a 50 year old chuuni with unlimited power, Nomura himself.

Here’s an iconic clip:

 

[Lee__Kanker]

When it comes to fangames sadly most suffers from the "it will never be finished" syndrome, even Robo Blast 2 (a great one with semi infinite modding capabilities) is still technically unfinished so I understand why some people prefers to play the official MD games + Mania.

I do wish Plus added more than two characters and a new game mode that is basically an Arrange Mode (we got the first half of Angel Island Act 1 and that's it).

Shame that Sega and the Sonic Team, by hubris and jealousy, didn't let Whitehead to make a sequel to Mania (even 50/50 old/new levels would've been sufficient for me, especially if they ended up adding Starlight Zone and probably Ice Cap despite the music copyright issue if they let Tee Lopes making a new composition for it).

Chemical Plant is still great in Generations and Mania's respective second act (yes, I think that CPZ in boost form easily equals most of Unleashed's Day levels in term of level design) but I do agree that Green Hills got overused.

Bosses are hit or miss in Sonic regardless of 2D and 3D. Egg Beetle is a great boost boss, Egg Golem a great Adventure Style one and perhaps the pillar boss from Sonic 2 was interesting. They're more akin to puzzle games than proper bosses in 2D.

I feel that while nostalgia is a huge factor for Sega I think it's a moot point when it's also the case for many other games (like Mario Odyssey using 2D NES style sections).

Also the presence of bad games does not mean it will be automatically good either, if the game is good it's good regardless if the next one is worse.

Perfect bad example of reusing old stuff:

Bringing back the tanuki leaf for mario 3d land but it can't friggin fly, and you don't even fly with style

Bringing back an old thing with a twist can be great, I think if its just the old thing but not nearly as good people arent gonna be swayed by it. Not a game comparison but theres reboots that failed because of that


Ive heard the theory that ppl like colors just bc the previous games were bad? Im not into 3d sonic games that arent robo blast 2 so I cant say

I do adore RB2, that game truly feels like the megadrive games in 3d

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It’s a reimagining of Final Fantasy 1 as an action game, but it’s got that shitty unironic teenager edge from the 2000s all over it. It’s incredibly corny (in a bad way I think, like a non-self aware DMC).
It’s the brainchild of a 50 year old chuuni with unlimited power, Nomura himself.

Here’s an iconic clip:

Oh shit it's the I'VE COME TO KILL CHAOS! game?

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I don't miss stuff like Shadow the hedgehog or the gritty bomberman reboot that's for sure, forcing stuff into being edgy is crap; but I do miss Postal 2 or Manhunt 2 or old GTA. Even the newer games in two of those series just don't have the same carefree magic.

I kinda liked the concept of branching paths in a Sonic game on paper. It's just not executed well at all.

Same with having a Bomberman game that is more like a RPG/Adventure if it's done correctly.

GTA tonned down too much (even if the series has always been a parody of the USA culure), same with the Saints Row Reboot...

I think that "self-aware humour" will fundamentally age worse than edgy in some aspects because I think that a sincere story will always be more engaging.

Also I'd add that video

since this trend kinda started in the early 90's.

Tell me more about this Strangers in Paradise

Ah darn, someone beat me up to it as I got busy.

Perfect bad example of reusing old stuff:

Bringing back the tanuki leaf for mario 3d land but it can't friggin fly, and you don't even fly with style

Bringing back an old thing with a twist can be great, I think if its just the old thing but not nearly as good people arent gonna be swayed by it. Not a game comparison but there are reboots that failed because of that.

Honestly I think that realistically in a handheld 3D game you couldn't make your character fly or else it would have to render too many things or break the level design.

3D Land is still fine for its more closed level design but I do wish they added a new power up (at least World had the cat and the cherries).

A new twist on an old thing can please both nostalgic people while still having a freshness to it.

I've heard the theory that people like Colors just bc the previous games were bad? I'm not into 3d sonic games that aren't robo blast 2 so I cant say.

While it may have been true in some aspects Colours was Nintendo exclusive compared to Unleashed HD and 2006 (the latest game that was on a Nintendo without a major change like Unwiished was Heroes in '03 which was over half a decade ago). I think that Colours despite its simpler level design and story was decent and worked for what it was.

I do adore RB2, that game truly feels like the Megadrive games in 3D.

Basically like a lost Saturn Sonic game. There's a homebrew 32-X demo made for it.

 

[Tonberry]

Perfect bad example of reusing old stuff:

Bringing back the tanuki leaf for mario 3d land but it can't friggin fly, and you don't even fly with style

Bringing back an old thing with a twist can be great, I think if its just the old thing but not nearly as good people arent gonna be swayed by it. Not a game comparison but theres reboots that failed because of that


Ive heard the theory that ppl like colors just bc the previous games were bad? Im not into 3d sonic games that arent robo blast 2 so I cant say

I do adore RB2, that game truly feels like the megadrive games in 3d

Post automatically merged: Feb 6, 2025

Oh shit it's the I'VE COME TO KILL CHAOS! game?

The one and only…

Like I said in the FF thread the other day, I think it’s kind of awful, but if you’re into Team Ninja games similar to Nioh you could give it a try, if you can stomach the writing and characters.
I thought it was an almost offensively embarrassing take on FF1 when I was first showed off so I’m super biased against it myself but check it out if you’re interested in the sheer novelty of the idea.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

It’s the brainchild of a 50 year old chuuni with unlimited power, Nomura himself.

I have quite a love/hate relationship with Nomura.

While I kinda like when he makes original stories with a street style (TWEWY) I think he should've stayed far from Final Fantasy as a whole.

Even Kingdom Hearts barely showed FF despite being marketed as a FF x Disney crossover game.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I don't think you should tell anybody irl (specially therapists) about your issues, it would be better to tell them online or keep them to yourself

I don't know if it's good for mental health but I grew up with the mindset that I shouldn't complain because there are people in the world that got it worse than me.

But the problem is that it's often people who never really struggled in their respective lives that often get on their high horse over people who are less lucky in life.

I find it legitimately revolting when people that just happened to know the right person at the right moment or from the help of family members are acting as if they've made 100% of the efforts to gain an important place in life while implying that other people who sadly still are lower are lazy or didn't actually want a better place.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

The one and only…

Like I said in the FF thread the other day, I think it’s kind of awful, but if you’re into Team Ninja games similar to Nioh you could give it a try, if you can stomach the writing and characters.
I thought it was an almost offensively embarrassing take on FF1 when I was first showed off so I’m super biased against it myself but check it out if you’re interested in the sheer novelty of the idea.

Hell its interesting how it's set in FF1's world

Is the combat more action or rpg?

 

[Lena CE]

Yeah it's hilarious and It's probably way funnier than whatever was in the original script;
Of course, throwing away the original script and making stuff up is not great and it's disrespectful of the original writer's vision, which should be adapted and localized in a faithful (but not literal) way when translating.

That being said, if throwing away the script and making stuff up makes the writing better I'm all for it actually: people always say that they want "faithful" translations but then praise the hell out of the script of games like Trails in the Sky, where Xseed made up most of the script and changed the protagonist entire personality (ironically enough, It's a Falcom game like Popful mail).
You see, people tend to be somewhat hypocritical about this, they don't care how faithful the script is if it's better than the original's (Basically every Falcom game localized by Xseed, Final Fantasy IX, Skies of Arcadia ecc.)

Most of these people don't know if its better or worse and unless you're someone who has played both versions of one of these games idk why you'd feel comfortable saying it.

I think its more accurate to say that "having a more accurate translation/localization sounds like a better idea and since most people don't know the beginning of how to read Japanese, they'll never really know how accurate or inaccurate something is until the internet tells them."

Because really thats the main reason it has become so controversial lately. There are just more people online pointing out how almost every Japanese game has liberties taken with the English script whereas 10+ years ago it wasn't a common talking point unless the translation was clearly dogshit. The old Working Designs scripts stood out even at the time for being so clearly and obviously not based on the original scripts all that much.

Fwiw games like Trails in the Sky and Skies of Arcadia do a pretty good job of keeping the story and personalities of the characters in tact. I haven't played all of Trails 1 in japanese tbf but from the 10-15 hours I put into it a couple years back there were very clearl liberties being taken but the core of most scenes were kept in tact (keyword being most but still).

And yea I more or less agree that so long as the core of script is maintained, I don't mind advanced liberties despite preferring games to be a bit more faithful. If I wrote something and heavy liberties/changes were constantly made when localizing it elsewhere I'd be pretty damn bummed.

Its mostly just a matter of where someone draws the line.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I kinda liked the concept of branching paths in a Sonic game on paper. It's just not executed well at all.

Same with having a Bomberman game that is more like a RPG/Adventure if it's done correctly.

GTA tonned down too much (even if the series has always been a parody of the USA culure), same with the Saints Row Reboot...

I think that "self-aware humour" will fundamentally age worse than edgy in some aspects because I think that a sincere story will always be more engaging.

Also I'd add that video

since this trend kinda started in the early 90's.

Ah darn, someone beat me up to it as I got busy.



Honestly I think that realistically in a handheld 3D game you couldn't make your character fly or else it would have to render too many things or break the level design.

3D Land is still fine for its more closed level design but I do wish they added a new power up (at least World had the cat and the cherries).

A new twist on an old thing can please both nostalgic people while still having a freshness to it.


While it may have been true in some aspects Colours was Nintendo exclusive compared to Unleashed HD and 2006 (the latest game that was on a Nintendo without a major change like Unwiished was Heroes in '03 which was over half a decade ago). I think that Colours despite its simpler level design and story was decent and worked for what it was.


Basically like a lost Saturn Sonic game. There's a homebrew 32-X demo made for it.

I get flying in would break the levels
then dont use the tanuki leaf
3d world did the right thing and had a new powerup instead


Ive said it many times, self aware is the most dull draining thing at this point. Being terrified someone will call you cringe is so spineless, have the balls to be earnest man

And yess I say the edgy 2000s but it was more like 95-05

I miss how crass and offensive the ps2 games were, 4 grounded it and almost tried to be a serious crime drama; 5 was a little more like the old days but nowhere near as wacky and in your face. It was vulgar and had more detailed blowjobs and the internet was neat, but everything else was lesser


Didnt know about the 32x game ill check it out!

 

[Tonberry]

Hell its interesting how it's set in FF1's world

Is the combat more action or rpg?

It’s a pretty hardboiled Japanese action game with some RPG elements, the closest I can compare it to is probably Nioh like I said, since it’s made by the same team. It’s got a pretty decent Job system too iirc.

I feel like I should give it another chance seeing as how I was so disappointed with FF16.

Here’s some old promo thing where they show of the combat:

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I get flying in would break the levels
then dont use the tanuki leaf
3d world did the right thing and had a new powerup instead

I still think that 3D Land did a pretty good job since the suit allows you to attack and slow down the fall, like the Super Cape.

I also think that the wider level design in 3D World was detrimental imo compared to the smaller areas.

Mario is about platforming for me, power-ups are a bonus.

I've said it many times, self aware is the most dull draining thing at this point.

It only works when you make a small nod to a very specific thing that fans would know.

Sadly that humour is aimed at people who are not fans to begin with (MCU's main audience is absolutely not comic book fans).

Being terrified someone will call you cringe is so spineless, have the balls to be earnest man

Or maybe the writers are ashamed of themselves so for comic book movies they tell how ridiculous the names are or that the costumes are too colourful when suspension of disbelief and accepting it's not the real world can work.

And yess I say the edgy 2000s but it was more like 95-05.

I think 2006-2008 was a transitional phase for less edgy stuff.

I miss how crass and offensive the ps2 games were, 4 grounded it and almost tried to be a serious crime drama; 5 was a little more like the old days but nowhere near as wacky and in your face. It was vulgar and had more detailed blowjobs and the internet was neat, but everything else was lesser

Ratchet PS4 is too smooth and lighhearted...

I haven't played GTA V but it felt more like 4.5 than a real evolution like how we went from III to IV.

Didn't know about the 32x game ill check it out!

It's rough tho. I do appreciate the effort.

 

[Tonberry]

MCU's main audience is absolutely not comic book fans

I think you can be a superhero fan without being into comics, just like how someone can be a Lord of the Rings fan just by watching the Jackson films, and how there are gorillions of people who love anime but haven’t read a manga in their life.

Just different mediums for stories.

 

[Jeanfranc]

Tell me more about this Strangers in Paradise

It's the best Final Fantasy since XII and a better action game than XVI

 

[Lee__Kanker]

It's the best Final Fantasy since XII and a better action game than XVI

Im intrigued

 

[Jeanfranc]

I appreciate the ones for the first two 3ds fire emblem games, they really show just how up their own ass nintendo tree house is where they changed it so much it was practically a different game

Oh yeah fuck the Three house

Thankfully there's fanmade translations for the vita Trails games too

There isn't, Geofront fan-translated Zero and Azure and NISA used that script as base for their official release.
I don't like Geofront's translation, they actually put current-year memes inside a game from 2010.

 

[Deleted member 222172]

Ah darn, someone beat me up to it as I got busy.

This scene made me bust out laughing for at least an hour when I got to it. Strangers of Paradise is based as hell

 

[Tonberry]

I appreciate the ones for the first two 3ds fire emblem games, they really show just how up their own ass nintendo tree house is where they changed it so much it was practically a different game

Oh yeah fuck the Three house

Do you know if the European localizations were different than the American for the Fire Emblem games? I know Splatoon (and Mario Party for some reason) had a completely different, and more accurate, script and they seem to be more accurate while still having a personality of their own so I’m curious if Treehouse just was absent from all European Nintendo translations at the time.

 

[Raud]

I don't like the over the Shoulder Camera...

 

[Xdqwerty Xdqwerty]

Animal crossing is boring

I forgot to state I only played wild world