Hot takes

[Jimbo_McDumbo]

Ninja Theory should've made the DMC reboot exactly like they showed in the controversial TGS reveal. Damn the fan backlash. If they showed Dante being tortured you'd sympathize with him more and his antisocial behavior would've been justified. Plus if they had leaned into the grunge more it wouldn't have been a weird half step like the game we actually got.

Here's that controversial trailer I mentioned

 

[BrawlMan]

I mean i get what you mean, but "stuff happens" yeah man, hello?

Even Shinji Mikami admitted he fucked up on the story due to all of the rewrites and restarts. He even praised what the remake team achieved where he failed. I love and respect the man, and I respect him even more for not having problem saying this.

Shinji Mikami is More Than Impressed With Resident Evil 4 Remake With His Own Bizarre Confession: ‘I just wrote up in two weeks’

Shinji Mikami is all praises for Resident Evil 4 Remake since the game managed to build upon the things left by Mikami in a great way.

fandomwire.com

Let's put it like this, have you watched Evil Dead 2?, The Thing?, most movies that inspired 4, or action movies in general, don't have much depth in the ways of plot, they

Yes. Long before RE4 came out. I was born in 1989, and plenty of access to movie channels and rental stores. Excellent films and I would rather watch those than play OG RE4.

"Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important"

So? Nothing grabbed in RE4 much, story or not. It would have helped a little, but other than some of Leon's quip, I wasn't in the OG RE4 hype juice. Ashley wasn't doing it for me (annoying). RE4 pretty much made stop caring about Ada (turned her into a worse version of Trish and a shallow Nikita clone). The villains, while somewhat entertaining, are nothing more than mere footnotes in the grand scheme of things. Krauser was just thrown in there, and crow barred in (Remember The New Guy That Did Missions Together With Leon, returning fans/fans who never played any of the previous games?!).

I don't always prefer games with story, but if the gameplay is not hooking or I don't like it, then too bad. On to the next game that holds my interest, or might hold my interest. Streets of Rage 4 doesn't have much of a story, but it still makes me care, the long time fans care, and newcomers care. It's those small moments that really hit.

I've only done about two complete playthroughs of OG RE4. I don't like QTE scenes. I dislike Leon going into siege tank mode any time you aim. I prefer moving and shooting at the same time. Which is why I prefer the remakes (especially RE4R), RE9, both Evil Within games, Dead Space, and Shadows of the Damned. RE5 I make the exception, because I enjoy the combat more, and at least Chris and Sheva (or whoever you play in Mercernaries) get additional context melee moves depending on where you attack, or based on whatever downed state an enemy is in. Also, those tag team moves are fucking hype!

If you want a story in a game, play something like Legacy of Kain - Soul Reaver (which i love btw), Vagrant Story, Shadow of the Colossus,

Aside from Vagrant story, been there and done that. I've been around and have played many games. Not everything, but a lot. I respect the Soul Reaver love, but that is more so my brother's things. I do reccomend the Darksiders games, if you're interested. They're are as close to a modern Soul Reaver game as you can get. Mainly the first two games. I am not a fan, but I am glad these games exist.

You're also talking to someone who's played plenty of Kojima and Suda51 games. More so the latter, but both have delivered on the gameplay and story front, so I care not for excuses of "it's an action game or video game, story doesn't matter". Some cases you are right, but others I don't make excuses for the lack of trying in story, not giving the player much to be invested, if the gameplay isn't doing anything for them or outright bad.

Streets of Rage 4 is the best brawler ever made.

Ninja Theory should've made the DMC reboot exactly like they showed in the controversial TGS reveal. Damn the fan backlash. If they showed Dante being tortured you'd sympathize with him more and his antisocial behavior would've been justified. Plus if they had leaned into the grunge more it wouldn't have been a weird half step like the game we actually got.

Here's that controversial trailer I mentioned

Capcom had to reign NT in, and there was nothing the latter could do about it. Orders and orders, and they wanted to keep a good relationship, even though they don't contact much each other now.

DmC (2013) should have been a spin-off title with either a different supernatural demon hunter, or Nero as the lead character. I would have preferred the former. At least we would have gotten DMC5 a lot earlier.

Hi-Fi Rush is another better version of DmC (2013). Though Tango looks like they took so much more from DmC, but being better in nearly every single way. This is more of an observation, than a take, but let's run down the list of similarities:

• Chai starts as a jerk ass protagonist who develops into less of a jerk and idiot, becoming a better person by the end of the game. Similar case with Dante, but it's done much better with Chai.
• Both young men are on the run and wanted by the city/world/an evil corporation. Dante was framed for crimes and destruction he didn't do, and Chai is on the run for being "defective".
• Said protagonist teams up with a ragtag bunch of misfits to stop an evil corporation from taking over the world.
• Both games features corpo douche-bag villains who are related to one of the protagonists. Mundus in DmC is literally Dante and Vergil's uncle in that continuity, while Kale and Peppermint are revealed to be siblings late game.
• Both main characters can use a chain to grapple themselves towards enemies. Dante can bring enemies to him depending on their size.
• Both games used color coded enemies and you have to pull out a specific weapon or assist to hurt/damage/stun them. I admit DmC does this a bit better, if you're playing the Definitive Version, as your assists are on cool down timers in HF Rush. DmC just has switching weapons with the D-pad and trigger buttons.
• Both have an enemy on 4 legs that does a spindash attack that can be parried.
• Both games have huge emphasis on platforming. HF even more so, since half the game has platforming involved due to being a 6th generation throwback. DmC's platforming works, but it's very simple by comparison and the platforming is scripted event focused.
• Both games have heavy use of dynamic music with licensed songs. HF Rush's you can turn off to avoid copyright when uploading videos to Twitch or YouTube.
• In both games, the protagonists raid the corporate office of the respective evil company in the next to last/last few levels.

Hi-Fi Rush is a better version of No Straight Roads too. Nothing against that game in particular, but everything NSR was trying to do, HF ended up doing much better.

EDIT: I admit that this video from Umbasa Mufasa made 5 years ago was an inspiration to make this thread. I do advise to give the video a whirl, even for funsies.

 

[JustLooking456]

DmC: Devil May Cry is so good it should have a sequel.

 

[BrawlMan]

DmC: Devil May Cry is so good it should have a sequel.

All you get is either Hi-Fi Rush, Devil May Cry 5, Assault Spy, or Control Resonant.

 

[Clippy]

DmC: Devil May Cry is so good it should have a sequel.

I think that game's worst crime is that the series did not need a reboot at the time. I remember being very disappointed with the fact that we wouldn't be getting a continuation of the established story back when it was announced. That fact overshadowed all the controversy that followed, at least for me.

I have some gripes with how the game turned out. The tryhard 12yo Dante trying to be cool instead of just being cool. I think both of us remember that infamous cutscene before the Succubus fight. The thing that bothered me more was that some demons required using certain weapons to kill them. I get that it was done to make you diversify your attack patterns but to me it achieved the opposite effect and I was not happy about it.

All in all, it was a good game. Would've been better if it was called anything else. Getting rid of that burden of expectations associated with an established franchise would've done it wonders. As it was it simply happened to be a DMC entry that was unnecessary at best and offensive at worst. One could say it was destined to fail.

 

[JustLooking456]

I think that game's worst crime is that the series did not need a reboot at the time. I remember being very disappointed with the fact that we wouldn't be getting a continuation of the established story back when it was announced. That fact overshadowed all the controversy that followed, at least for me.

The only Devil May Cry games I played before DmC was 1 and 4. I knew about 2 and 3, and knew 3 was canonically the first game, and thought that DmC was a prequel to 3.

I was surprised to find out it was supposed to be a reboot lol

 

[BrawlMan]

The thing that bothered me more was that some demons required using certain weapons to kill them. I get that it was done to make you diversify your attack patterns but to me it achieved the opposite effect and I was not happy about it.

The Definitive Edition fixed this thankfully. You can damage an angel elemental demons with demon weapons, but they won't get hit stunned or vice versa. It's better than having your weapon bounce off the enemy for the filmiest reasons.

thought that DmC was a prequel to 3.

Those were fans theories that got jossed before 2012 even hit.

I was surprised to find out it was supposed to be a reboot lol

It's pretty much an alternate universe for over a decade now.

 

[Jayonnaise6105 Jayonnaise6105]

The only Devil May Cry games I played before DmC was 1 and 4. I knew about 2 and 3, and knew 3 was canonically the first game, and thought that DmC was a prequel to 3.

I was surprised to find out it was supposed to be a reboot lol

I've only played DMC 4 hehe

 

[JustLooking456]

Those were fans theories that got jossed before 2012 even hit.

I didn't know at the time (didn't get on the internet until 2014)

Edit- To clarify: didn't use non-dial up internet until 2014. Anyone who had to suffer through dial-up knows the struggle.

 

[BrawlMan]

I didn't know at the time (didn't get on the internet until 2014)

Edit- To clarify: didn't use non-dial up internet until 2014. Anyone who had to suffer through dial-up knows the struggle.

Understandable. Indeed on the struggle. We stopped using it in 2001.

 

[Michael Frank]

Even Shinji Mikami admitted he fucked up on the story due to all of the rewrites and restarts. He even praised what the remake team achieved where he failed. I love and respect the man, and I respect him even more for not having problem saying this.

Shinji Mikami is More Than Impressed With Resident Evil 4 Remake With His Own Bizarre Confession: ‘I just wrote up in two weeks’

Shinji Mikami is all praises for Resident Evil 4 Remake since the game managed to build upon the things left by Mikami in a great way.

fandomwire.com

Of course Sherlock, it's like showing the System Shock remake to the original team that made the game, or any of the new doom games to any of the founders of id software, of course they would end impressed, but let's not undersell what they achieved with the resources they had at the time, it's funny that you mentioned maximilian or woolie before in this same thread, and seemingly forgot that while they loved 4Remake, both (and many others) still put OG4 at the top of their lists:

Yeah, Mikami might not have gotten what he wanted, but let's not undersell the man on what he achieved, 4 was literally THE game of 2004. Literally became an instant classic, yeah story that "just happens" and everything.

Yes. Long before RE4 came out. I was born in 1989, and plenty of access to movie channels and rental stores. Excellent films and I would rather watch those than play OG RE4.

And i was born in 2001 and honestly i dunno how i am much younger and got more love for OG4 than some people that "supposedly" love this franchise, it's like saying i'm a Terminator fan but preffer Terminator 2 to 1 because 1 story "just happens". I tend to revisit some years later the games i've played, and maybe i will go for my 7th playtrough of OG4, oh boy what a painful experience it will be!

So? Nothing grabbed in RE4 much, story or not. It would have helped a little, but other than some of Leon's quip, I wasn't in the OG RE4 hype juice. Ashley wasn't doing it for me (annoying). RE4 pretty much made stop caring about Ada (turned her into a worse version of Trish and a shallow Nikita clone). The villains, while somewhat entertaining, are nothing more than mere footnotes in the grand scheme of things. Krauser was just thrown in there, and crow barred in (Remember The New Guy That Did Missions Together With Leon, returning fans/fans who never played any of the previous games?!).

I don't always prefer games with story, but if the gameplay is not hooking or I don't like it, then too bad. On to the next game that holds my interest, or might hold my interest. Streets of Rage 4 doesn't have much of a story, but it still makes me care, the long time fans care, and newcomers care. It's those small moments that really hit.

Someday i wish to understand how you have this mindset but at the same time defend something like 3Remake, because i cannot simply get this, it defies close study.

I've only done about two complete playthroughs of OG RE4. I don't like QTE scenes. I dislike Leon going into siege tank mode any time you aim. I prefer moving and shooting at the same time. Which is why I prefer the remakes (especially RE4R), RE9, both Evil Within games, Dead Space, and Shadows of the Damned. RE5 I make the exception, because I enjoy the combat more, and at least Chris and Sheva (or whoever you play in Mercernaries) get additional context melee moves depending on where you attack, or based on whatever downed state an enemy is in. Also, those tag team moves are fucking hype!​

Same as earlier, i love 5, hell, 5 is my favorite coop game with my older brother, but honestly how someone comes to think like this is beyond me.

Aside from Vagrant story, been there and done that. I've been around and have played many games. Not everything, but a lot. I respect the Soul Reaver love, but that is more so my brother's things. I do reccomend the Darksiders games, if you're interested. They're are as close to a modern Soul Reaver game as you can get. Mainly the first two games. I am not a fan, but I am glad these games exist.

Played Genesis with my brother last year, yeah, they're awesome.

You're also talking to someone who's played plenty of Kojima and Suda51 games. More so the latter, but both have delivered on the gameplay and story front, so I care not for excuses of "it's an action game or video game, story doesn't matter". Some cases you are right, but others I don't make excuses for the lack of trying in story, not giving the player much to be invested, if the gameplay isn't doing anything for them or outright bad.

OG4's gameplay isn't doing anything for you? Man, you're doing justice to this thread, this is some NUCLEAR stuff right here, like this is the kind of stuff that could get you bricks in your window.
You must hate Symphony of the Night voice acting then, or DMC3's story, or hell, MOST if not ALL of the fps that ever existed, and no i'm not talking about CoD, i'm talking Doom, Shadow Warrior, Blood, Turbo Overkill, F. E. A. R., Duke Nukem 3D, hell don't touch The Repo, some games there have story that "just happens" and some difficult controls.

 

[bjork]

The hottest take: not everyone has the same opinion as you on things.

 

[Michael Frank]

The hottest take: not everyone has the same opinion as you on things.

I mean, it's not that i don't respect takes from other people, hell, most of the new stuff i tried recently (be it reading discworld, watching Gunbuster, or playing some rpgs in general) were recommendations from people i know on things i've never realized i would like, and i'm really thankful for them to take their time and showing them to me, but some takes are mind-blowingly...strange, and not in the "cool cryptid" strange, more like "weird car crash" strange, yeah there's different opinions, but some of them honestly are impressive just by existing.

 

[bjork]

I was just making a general statement, but ok

 

[BrawlMan]

Max's List

Max doesn't represent my opinion nor speak for me. He might do so for you, but it's not my list. I love and respect him, and he can pick whatever he wants. I been saw that already. Live with it.

Someday i wish to understand how you have this mindset but at the same time defend something like 3Remake, because i cannot simply get this, it defies close study.

People have their own opinions. It ain't hard to figure out nor comprehend. I've had moments like you, but either learned to roll with the punches or just not let it bother me much and move on. Different people; different opinions. Makes life more interesting. I don't want nor need yes men, echo chambers, nor hive minds. Also, this a hot takes thread. Got a problem, then I suggest you stick with reddit. They've got some good places there, but it's one echo chamber after another. Though I doubt you actually want that.

A true gamer thinks and acts for themselves. Not just the popular opinion, or because some guy on the video said so all for the sake of seeking validation and bias affirmation.

ame as earlier, i love 5, hell, 5 is my favorite coop game with my older brother, but honestly how someone comes to think like this is beyond me.

Because it's fucking fun. The single player ain't half bad either. Though when you're on professional, good luck with that.

I do prefer the PS4 version of RE5 though. It simplifies the QTE scenes, and has all of the bonuses and DLC. RE5 has the best mercenaries right after RE4R's.

You must hate Symphony of the Night voice acting then, or DMC3's story, or hell, MOST if not ALL of the fps that ever existed, and no i'm not talking about CoD, i'm talking Doom, Shadow Warrior, Blood, Turbo Overkill, F. E. A. R., Duke Nukem.

No and you assume way too much. DMC3's story is fucking peak and goes beyond just "typical action game story". It transcends gaming and is actual fucking Shakespreare. SoTN original voice acting is hilarious, but it's really just Richter and Dracula. OG Alucard sounds legit bad ass, and whoever they had originally play adult Maria does a good job. Death sounds good too in the original English dub.

I love classic Doom. You can actually move and shoot at the same time. My favorite of the classic Doom games is Doom 64 and the best of the classic Doom games. I love Doom 4 (2016). You're also talking to a guy who played nearly all of these games before you were even born, and enjoyed them. You ever play Blake Stone? Wolfenstein 3D style game, but in space, and actual stealth system. I played it when I was 7.

I love the first FEAR game. FEAR2 sucks, and F3AR is barely better than 2. Extraction Point is the best game in the franchise. I actually like the story in the first game and EP, because the way its delivered, and you can engage with if you want to or not. More so the first game, but I love everything about FEAR and EP. Duke Nukem is a classic, and I like the blonde, baritone, buff boy. Though I am way more of a Serious Sam guy. I know these two franchises are different style of FPS, but I have more of an appreciation for Sam's Smash TV style combat and level design. I hate Serious Sam 3 though. Not a lot of fans like that game. Blood is one of Monolith's best games, but I've only played a few times, because a friend had it on his PC.

Turbo Overkill I have not gotten to yet. I will in due time. There are other games I've got to finish on my backlog. Thank you for the reminder.

Man, you're doing justice to this thread, this is some NUCLEAR stuff right here, like this is the kind of stuff that could get you bricks in your window.

If people can't handle a hot takes thread, then they shouldn't bother getting involved in the first place. I pick and like what I want. Not what everybody else wants or is doing. A gamer chooses for themselves, not for everyone else.

The hottest take: not everyone has the same opinion as you on things.

The ultimate truth!

 

[JustLooking456]

Ketchup sucks and is the worst condiment.

 

[BrawlMan]

Ketchup sucks and is the worst condiment.

I like Ketchup, but the problem is that like vanilla, it's too basic. I do prefer the sugar free versions though. BBQ Sauce or Thousand Island are much better condiments for sandwiches or burgers. Spicy Brown Mustard is where it's at too.

 

[Michael Frank]

You know what, this is a hot takes thread so why not, sunsoft and hudson soft made great games and honestly some of the most mind blowing ost's i've ever heard, and calling T.R.A.G.G. an Resident evil clone is just a dumb assumption made by people that don't know the difference between survival horror and arcade.

 

[JustLooking456]

I like Ketchup, but the problem is that like vanilla, it's too basic. I do prefer the sugar free versions though. BBQ Sauce or Thousand Island are much better condiments for sandwiches or burgers. Spicy Brown Mustard is where it's at too.

My cousin always said that ketchup is just weak BBQ sauce lol

Agreed on the spicy brown mustard. Shit's bomb.

 

[BrawlMan]

You know what, this is a hot takes thread so why not, sunsoft and hudson soft made great games and honestly some of the most mind blowing ost's i've ever heard

Damn straight. You can add Taito to the list as well. Taito may not have always been as polished (still more than Data East or Jaleco) as Capcom, Konami, nor Sega, but they put out plenty of great titles out back in the 80s, 90s, and even some of the early 2000s.

calling T.R.A.G an Resident evil clone is just a dumb assumption made by people that don't know the difference between survival horror and arcade.

You only need one G, btw. You can't exactly blame people at the time (not everyone had good internet or no internet in 1999), because there were a lot of RE clones back in the PS1 days. My older brother and I rented this a few times, but we both enjoyed it to completion. I do prefer the Japanese/European name: Hard Edge.

 

[Michael Frank]

Max doesn't represent my opinion nor speak for me. He might do so for you, but it's not my list. I love and respect him, and he can pick whatever he wants. I been saw that already. Live with it.

You assume too much, i just put him as an example, honestly 6 on is what that list lacks, yeah i said it, i like RE6 so roll with it.

People have their own opinions. It ain't hard to figure out nor comprehend. I've had moments like you, but either learned to roll with the punches or just not let it bother me much and move on. Different people; different opinions. Makes life more interesting. I don't want nor need yes men, echo chambers, nor hive minds. Also, this a hot takes thread. Got a problem, then I suggest you stick with reddit. They've got some good places there, but it's one echo chamber after another. Though I doubt you actually want that.

A true gamer thinks and acts for themselves. Not just the popular opinion, or because some guy on the video said so all for the sake of seeking validation and bias affirmation.

Dude, i've never used Reddit in my entire life, and no, i don't go to forums thinking everyone will agree with me, if i contradic your takes it's mostly curiosity on the basis for them, it's like when i explain to people why i think Super C is better than Contra, i have, and i don't lie to you, a list of aspects that i think made Super C better than contra 1, so i can make myself clear on my take.

If people can't handle a hot takes thread, then they shouldn't bother getting involved in the first place. I pick and like what I want. Not what everybody else wants or is doing. A gamer chooses for themselves, not for everyone else.

That's fine by me, you assume that i like to follow trends or something? if i use examples of other people or quotes, that's just tools to make my point clearer, hell i got a bone to pick up with maximilian for putting Gran Turismo 4 on the PS2 best and scratching DMC3 because the switch version is better, but alas i will not, it's his taste, so there's nothing i can say 'bout that.

I'm not gonna crucify anyone if they have different taste, i'm just curious about the why, it's intriguing, and i wish to know more, in a sense that i want to see the basis of such proclamation.

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Damn straight. You can add Taito to the list as well. Taito may not have always been as polished (still more than Data East or Jaleco) as Capcom, Konami, nor Sega, but they put out plenty of great titles out back in the 80s, 90s, and even some of the early 2000s.


You only need one G, btw. You can't exactly blame people at the time (not everyone had good internet or no internet in 1999), because there were a lot of RE clones back in the PS1 days. My older brother and I rented this a few times, but we both enjoyed it to completion. I do prefer the Japanese/European name: Hard Edge.

Hard Edge sounds better honestly, and on the topic i found this:

T.R.A.G.: Tactical Rescue Assault Group: Mission of Mercy - LaunchBox Games Database

As a member of the specialist force T.R.A.G, or "Tactical Rescue Assault Group," you're tasked with infiltrating the Togusa building and eliminating the terrorist threat inside. Inevitably, things don't go as planned, leaving only two members of the team alive, with no contact to the outside...

gamesdb.launchbox-app.com

Check the japanese promotional material, man that looks great.
Another take, game publicity is just bland these days, it's just a trailer and that's it, i loved it when i saw those previews on magazines or shops, it was just beautiful.

 

[BrawlMan]

You assume too much, i just put him as an example, honestly 6 on is what that list lacks, yeah i said it, i like RE6 so roll with it.

Fine by me. I don't like 6, but will take it any day over 0 or CV. Though I am really only going to play Leon's campaign in 6, and that's it.

Dude, i've never used Reddit in my entire life, and no, i don't go to forums thinking everyone will agree with me, if i contradic your takes it's mostly curiosity on the basis for them, it's like when i explain to people why i think Super C is better than Contra, i have, and i don't lie to you, a list o

Good; glad we're on the same page then. I love both Contra games (I assume you're talking about NES/Famicom versions and not the arcade games) about the same, but I do have a higher preference for Super C between two. You're not alone, as that Contra debate has been doing on when my brother was still a toddler, and I was barely a year old. The best Contra for me is Contra 4 and the Japanese version of Hard Corps.

That's fine by me, you assume that i like to follow trends or something?

No, this is more so a statement for people reading and making point. I don't get trend following vibes from you much.

hell i got a bone to pick up with maximilian for putting Gran Turismo 4 on the PS2 best and scratching DMC3 because the switch version is better, but alas i will not, it's his taste, so there's nothing i can say 'bout that.

People Max and YoVideoGames crew's list too seriously. I have my disagreements with more than a few, but reaction is usually whatever. It's their list, and that is why you should always have your own.

'm not gonna crucify anyone if they have different taste, i'm just curious about the why, it's intriguing, and i wish to know more, in a sense that i want to see the basis of such proclamation.

Radical. I like your reason.

 

[Ikagura]

I'd say BioShock 2 is better than Infinite.

I would love to see the leak of Infinite's previous build.

Between the two: Garou: Mark of the Wolves, and SFIII: 3rd Strike, I still consider 3rd Strike the best.

3rd Strike had the advantage of getting two updates. I wish we got a "Mark of the Wolves Special"...

I love the gimmick of choosing which 3rd of the lifebar to power up the character.

VR will always be niche. At the end of the day, a majority of people just want to sit on their ass and use a controller, or their phone. There's also the fact that VR is still expensive as all hell. You really have to be into it to get your money's worth. Though he it is being killed off again, and not many games left for it. On Sony consoles at least.

Absolutely, it was niche in the 90's, in the 00's, in the 10's and still today.

Ketchup sucks and is the worst condiment.

Ketchup used to be just tomato as a condiment but the americans tried to put more sugar when the fruits already had enough of it.

Mayonnaise today have too much fat as well.

 

[_Axl]

A Hotcake...

I enjoyed Dragon Ball Daima, and thought it was pretty fun
(please don't respond to this with a 4 paragraph explanation of why it's a disgrace to humanity or whatever I slept like 3 hours lol)

 

[Michael Frank]

A Hotcake...

I enjoyed Dragon Ball Daima, and thought it was pretty fun
(please don't respond to this with a 4 paragraph explanation of why it's a disgrace to humanity or whatever I slept like 3 hours lol)

Nah, Daima was great, it was Toriyama's goodbye to us, and if he had fun writing it, then honestly i'm fine with it, also, Super Saiyan 4 beign made canon at last? Yeah i wish to see the fool that complains about that.