Halo Combat Evolved vs Anniversary vs Campaign Evolved

[iamthemilkman]

If you don't remember this guy, he's the Halo 1/2 dev with the famous "30 seconds of fun" quote that was used a lot back in the 2000's.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Oh, wow! Another Biased Bungie Stan! It's like for every sane, reasonable person, there are plenty of hateful morons like you. In fact, you've even made an entire thread that is nothing but you and other Bungie stans regurgitating the "343i is Satan" narrative. Thanks for further proving me right in adding your kin to my "Worst Game Fandoms" thread.

EDIT: In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you joined this forum to bash any and all modern games given you've only just joined.

Here you go again with your retarded Straw-man attacks whenever someone criticizes your precious 343i. No matter what said criticism is..

Your accusations sounds more like a confession at this point. Perhaps it is YOU that is a biased "343i-stan." Do YOU, or someone you know, work at 343i?? Because that is the only thing that makes sense for your mindless, vitriolic defense of a company with such an obvious history of problems.

Again, for the record, I'm not even a fan of Halo. I'm more of a "Boomer-shooter" kind of guy, myself.. But by all means, call me a "Bungie-stan" again! Since you have nothing else up your sleeve, you clown!!

 

[Neb Lleb]

Here you go again with your retarded Straw-man attacks whenever someone criticizes your precious 343i. No matter what said criticism is..

Your accusations sounds more like a confession at this point. Perhaps it is YOU that is a biased "343i-stan." Do YOU, or someone you know, work at 343i?? Because that is the only thing that makes sense for your mindless, vitriolic defense of a company with such an obvious history of problems.

Again, for the record, I'm not even a fan of Halo. I'm more of a "Boomer-shooter" kind of guy, myself.. But by all means, call me a "Bungie-stan" again! Since you have nothing else up your sleeve, you clown!!

Translation: NUH-UH!!! YOU ARE!!!!
You are genuinely dumb. I'm not a fan of 343i, and yet you keep on insulting me for calling out these Bungie-worshipping, drone-like, hateful people who are too angry and bitter for their own good. I am NOT defending 343i, I'm calling out toxic people and people like you who enable, support and defend them.

You call me "a clown who has nothing else up my sleeve"? I'll call you a hateful, sad, strange little man who accuses people of being something they aren't and enables and proudly supports toxic haters who are just as bad as things they're shitting on.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Translation: NUH-UH!!! YOU ARE!!!!
You are genuinely dumb. I'm not a fan of 343i, and yet you keep on insulting me for calling out these Bungie-worshipping, drone-like, hateful people who are too angry and bitter for their own good. I am NOT defending 343i, I'm calling out toxic people and people like you who enable, support and defend them.

You call me "a clown who has nothing else up my sleeve"? I'll call you a hateful, sad, strange little man who accuses people of being something they aren't and enables and proudly supports toxic haters who are just as bad as things they're shitting on.

You keep proving me right. You already used your "Bungie-stan" line on me, and now you have nothing left but empty, vitriolic hate! How about rather than cry about people criticizing your precious 343i, you actually ENGAGE WITH THE ARGUMENT!!

The answer is simple: You can't!
So by all means, please, cry harder..

 

[Neb Lleb]

You keep proving me right. You already used your "Bungie-stan" line on me, and now you have nothing left but empty, vitriolic hate! How about rather than cry about people criticizing your precious 343i, you actually ENGAGE WITH THE ARGUMENT!!

The answer is simple: You can't!
So by all means, please, cry harder..

Oh, wow. The toxic User is still behaving like a complete and total manchild. You want me to engage with the "argument?" Fine:
I freely admit that I do go a bit overboard when it comes to calling out dumbasses on the internet. I'm also very quick and prone to nerd rage. And I also do rush in due to me hearing so many opinions associated with certain people.
However, sometimes, the more I call out people, the more they expose themselves as immature, emotionally stunted people who are beyond toxic, angry and hateful. And so, in this case, I'd like to ask: Who is it whose accusing me of being something I'm not, unironically bolds and italicises his mean spirited comments, is supporting fellow angry people, is taking my words out of context (The comment you took offence with saw me calling bitfnch a "Bungie Stan", not you), insisting that overblown hatred is "arguing" and tops it off by using the king of butthurt internet insults, "Cry Hard"?

It's not me. It's you, Metroid_Hybrid! You keep on insulting me for calling out bad people and exposing yourself as a hateful, overly immature User. So go on. Keep on insulting me, painting me as something I'm not, and paying no attention to what I'm saying just so you and your precious Bungie stans can keep on turning Halo discussion into an echo chamber of overblown, annoying hatred. And before you say that I also bold and italicised my comment... You must've missed the intent when I used it on a childish deflection.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Typical Bungie stan responses: saying that they're "comparing" when they're actually one-sidedly bashing whilst calling me a "consoomer" for calling them out for being annoying dipshits.

Yeah, you people can go fuck yourselves.
EDIT: No, really. You can go fuck yourselves. Calling out bad fanboys for being annoying, idiotic and heavily biased is not the same as being a blind supporter of something. In fact, I don't know what I was thinking when I didn't add you Bungie fanboys onto my "worst game fandoms" thread.

You DID call me a "Bungie-stan" for daring to say:

It's not about nostalgia, but rather being against the sheer homogeneity of graphic engines.
You obviously have to reference the original for the sake comparison... DUH..

Then quoting someone else, and saying:

It has been a pretty common practice in recent history for companies to do exactly this..

in the same post..
And once again, in your LONG, hateful diatribe you said a whole lot of nothing..
People have been criticizing the lazy use of Unreal Engine 5, the previous titles that 343i have worked on, public statements from their employees, and alluded their internal staffing problems.... ALL VALID CRITICISMS!!!
You haven't engaged with absolutely ANY of these points! But I guess you're one of those kind of people who automatically equate (any & all criticism = hate). Which is intellectually dishonest on it's face... and dare I even say... STUPID!

Now, actually engage with the topic(s) of the discussion... or go away...

 

[Neb Lleb]

And once again, in your LONG, hateful diatribe you said a whole lot of nothing..
People have been criticizing the lazy use of Unreal Engine 5, the previous titles that 343i have worked on, public statements from their employees, and alluded their internal staffing problems.... ALL VALID CRITICISMS!!!
You haven't engaged with absolutely ANY of these points! But I guess you're one of those kind of people who automatically equate (any & all criticism = hate). Which is intellectually dishonest on it's face... and dare I even say... STUPID!

Now, actually engage with the topic(s) of the discussion... or go away...

Wow. You are so hateful and immature, that you didn't even bother to read what I was saying and insist that in my "long, hateful diatribe I said whole lot of nothing", all the while still acting like a total User who can't even do Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar.

Who is the hateful person here, again? Me or the terminally online, incredibly autistic Manchild who is acting like a spoilt brat? (like, I have autism too, but you just RADIATE it, Metroid_Hybrid)

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Wow. You are so hateful and immature, that you didn't even bother to read what I was saying and insist that in my "long, hateful diatribe I said whole lot of nothing", all the while still acting like a total User who can't even do Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar.

Who is the hateful person here, again? Me or the terminally online, incredibly autistic Manchild who is acting like a spoilt brat? (like, I have autism too, but you just RADIATE it, Metroid_Hybrid)

I did read it, and you said "a whole lot of nothing" in much the same way most politicians do. So calm down with the midwitted projections already and tell us what you like about Unreal Engine 5, or something else associated with Halo "Campaign Evolved." Prove us wrong instead of crying more... You're over-seasoning my meat at this point..

 

[Neb Lleb]

I did read it, and you said "a whole lot of nothing" in much the same way most politicians do. So calm down with the midwitted projections already and tell us what you like about Unreal Engine 5, or something else associated with Halo "Campaign Evolved." Prove us wrong instead of crying more... You're over-seasoning my meat at this point..

Wow. You really ARE an autistic, hateful User. Seriously? Comparing a person calling out toxic discourse to politicians?

Okay, you know what? I'm done with your bullshit. I never thought I would see a User on a retro gaming forum, but I just did, and his name is Metroid_Hybrid. You derailed this thread just to insult and belittle me whilst acting like a total wanker. So, I think I should show you the same treatment I'm showing Bungie Stans by ignoring you and hoping that RGT staff shut down this thread. You want to be a User? Find a different place to do it on.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Wow. You really ARE an autistic, hateful User. Seriously? Comparing a person calling out toxic discourse to politicians?

Okay, you know what? I'm done with your bullshit. I never thought I would see a User on a retro gaming forum, but I just did, and his name is Metroid_Hybrid. You derailed this thread just to insult and belittle me whilst acting like a total wanker. So, I think I should show you the same treatment I'm showing Bungie Stans by ignoring you and hoping that RGT staff shut down this thread. You want to be a User? Find a different place to do it on.

Cool story bro..

So do you think the Halo series has gotten better or worse since Halo 3? And if so, why?
Or you can just continue to filibuster with more Ad Hominem non-arguments..

 

[mistymermaid]

Who cares who aligns with what development studio? The vitriol simply demonstrates how atrocious the zeitgeist around this game has been.

A product should be judged for what it is, not for what it isn't. If they say this is a remake of the campaign, I expect a remake of the campaign. Anything else is outside the developer's project scope.

 

[iamthemilkman]

343/Halo Studios track record of incompetence doesn't inspire confidence. Infinite was the closest they got to nailing the Halo look. Play the trailer on a 4K screen and look at the image quality. UE5 is disgusting.

 

[mistymermaid]

343/Halo Studios track record of incompetence doesn't inspire confidence. Infinite was the closest they got to nailing the Halo look. Play the trailer on a 4K screen and look at the image quality. UE5 is disgusting.

Really. People are only NOW catching on to not trust Epic Games?

The controversy over their store exclusives wasn't enough. Performance issues dating back to games like Mass Effect 1 or The Last Remnant.

 

[eyixon]

Welp...Now this is a predicament...

 

[mistymermaid]

Welp...Now this is a predicament...

The flurry of negativity is something alright. I don't need to spell out which posts are flame wars.

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

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If you don't remember this guy, he's the Halo 1/2 dev with the famous "30 seconds of fun" quote that was used a lot back in the 2000's.

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Exhibit number 100534863 - R that 343 never understood or cared about Halo (or maybe gaming in general)

Reading this tread and many other social media posts gives me hope: we used to just eat the slop because it was that or nothing. Now we are not having it. And chills will claim this is a success, they will parade the numbers that will mostly be because "Halo on Playstation", 343 will say that "Given the option, sprint was used by 343% of the players! so this is the move forwards". But it will be forgotten just like all other 343 games.

 

[mistymermaid]

Exhibit number 100534863 - R that 343 never understood or cared about Halo (or maybe gaming in general)

Reading this tread and many other social media posts gives me hope: we used to just eat the slop because it was that or nothing. Now we are not having it. And chills will claim this is a success, they will parade the numbers that will mostly be because "Halo on Playstation", 343 will say that "Given the option, sprint was used by 343% of the players! so this is the move forwards". But it will be forgotten just like all other 343 games.

I dunno. Mario Party and WarioWare have made sprawling franchises out of games that last a few seconds at best.

 

[Graves Ruinwalker]

Son:" Mom i want to play Halo : combat evolved !"

Mom: " But we have the Halo remake at home ."

Halo remake at home : * Shiny Ring : conflict advanced lies in garbage bin *

 

[SeventhSon]

classic example of

Soul vs Souless

 

[moonbits]

From what I know, this is still the original* Halo, with UE5 running the graphics. Same thing as the anniversary edition but they're adding more chapters, missions, 4 co-op and uh.. sprint.

Sounds fine on paper, Halo 2 was nice but they didn't mess with it other than the graphics so we'll see. (Or won't, I frankly don't care that much lol)

 

[Lena CE]

Exhibit number 100534863 - R that 343 never understood or cared about Halo (or maybe gaming in general)

Reading this tread and many other social media posts gives me hope: we used to just eat the slop because it was that or nothing. Now we are not having it. And chills will claim this is a success, they will parade the numbers that will mostly be because "Halo on Playstation", 343 will say that "Given the option, sprint was used by 343% of the players! so this is the move forwards". But it will be forgotten just like all other 343 games.

What do you mean, the internet has consistently talked like this about 343i Halo for like 13 years. It's nothing new, the only difference is that now people have MCC and are over a decade detached from Halo and Xbox's cultural peaks so no one really cares as much outside of die hards. The shills you speak of don't really exist, it's a bunch of people who - like me - don't entirely hate the 343i era and then people who are extremely hostile towards anyone who doesn't just like the Bungie games.

Halo discourse is exhausting; it is easily the least enjoyable franchise to actually engage with because no one on any side is happy and everyone is just so uncharitable and hostile towards each other.

All that said, fuck I hate remake culture, and this is easily one of the most unimportant remakes imaginable. Glad that we get Halo on a shit engine because Microsoft wants to keep staff comprised primarily of contract workers. Glad that Halo 5's campaign was mismanaged to the point of the story we got being incoherent. Glad that Halo Infinite tried so hard to be a massive apology to the vocally negative fans that it had no spine narratively and is a story where nothing actually happens on-screen and it just sets up a sequel we may or may not get a direct continuation of like 9 years after it released. It's just tiring. I try so hard to be optimistic and I defend a lot about 343i era Halo but stuff like this is just such a buzzkill. Nothing new to get excited for, just another useless remake of a timeless classic only unlike something like RE4 Remake it isn't gonna be very transformative to carve out its own identity because the original was just that ahead of its time. At best every change will feel arbitrary or pointless and at worst it will hurt the uniqueness and feel of the original. Just a waste of time regardless of how good it is. I playthrough CE like 3 or 4 times a year, it is still amazing and with MCC around there is just no real reason for this to exist.

The sentiment of wanting the team to learn how to make Halo in a new engine is fine and all but I also just don't really care. I was really hoping for a spin-off to get announced so there would at least be something truly new to get hype for. I guess not!

The franchise needed to end after Bungie left, I'm a firm believer in franchises needed to end and while Halo 3's legendary ending does setup a path to continue, it would have been better left as the end to the series. It's gonna keep limping along because Halo is still one of the best FPS franchises from a gameplay perspective, so it'll always maintain its hardcore audience. Nothing else looks and feels like a Halo game and the game that came the closest in Destiny has its own boatload of issues. If I want to play Halo, I gotta play Halo, no substitute hits remotely the same. Even at its worst Halo is still better than most FPS games and I am a firm believer in that sentiment. No matter how much I appreciate Halo 4's campaign or Halo 5 and Infinite's multiplayer, it shoulda just been a new IP. I applaud 343i for being able to carve out their own identity and make dope shit while still maintaining that core 30 seconds of fun, but it shouldn't have been called Halo!

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I'm gonna be honest this is a really dumb complaint from him considering Halo CE is the game where hunters are literally able to be one shot in the back with 0 difficulty. It is still fun to one shot them because shooting anything in Halo is fun, but keeping the warthog out of the area didn't protect any semblance of balance because Halo CE's hunters are ironically only slightly more menacing than a grunt or jackal. Hell, at least a jackal shield can stop you from one-shotting them.

Def agree with the trees being lame though. The art direction in general is way too generic pacific northwest and loses a lot of the subtle alien feel that made CE so familiar yet foreign.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

What I find funny is that the original Halo trilogy was kinda-sorta a "remake" to begin with..
It's no secret at this point to longtime fans of the series, but the initial Halo trilogy pulls heavily from Bungie's previous FPS trilogy: Marathon..
Now was it a straight 1-for-1? NO!
Sure, a bunch of names and enemy designs were changed, and several story elements were expanded upon. But playing Marathon would net you the lion's share of Halo's story.

How is this relevant?
After Bungie was finished with Halo, the next group put in charge of the series, 343i, were effectively starting from a similar place that the Game of Thrones show runners were in after they ran out of the original books to pull from. They had to start making up their own material, and although it wasn't all bad, both invariably ended in embarrassing disasters..

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

I dunno. Mario Party and WarioWare have made sprawling franchises out of games that last a few seconds at best.

I really cannot comprehend your point, I dont know what do you mean with short games. Halo was never a long game (specially by todays standards). I have personally beated Halo CE on legendary Co-op in just one sit.

The incompetence, arrogance and greed of 343 has nothing to do with lenght, in fact if 2000+ games would be hot thing they would try to make it happen (and fail)... in fact we could think they tried it in infinite with its "breath of the wild" inspiration.

What do you mean, the internet has consistently talked like this about 343i Halo for like 13 years. It's nothing new, the only difference is that now people have MCC and are over a decade detached from Halo and Xbox's cultural peaks so no one really cares as much outside of die hards. The shills you speak of don't really exist, it's a bunch of people who - like me - don't entirely hate the 343i era and then people who are extremely hostile towards anyone who doesn't just like the Bungie games.

Ah yes... we will totally forget about the chills that defend the horrendous and violent change of art style from a game that has is last new release like 2 before. Halo was not a long lost 90s fps game, Reach was a great hit in 2010 and by 2012 343 decided to just change everything, just because they could. And people defended this crap.

Lets also ignore people defending the REQ packs or the multiplayer that, even if it wasnt bad, it was no Halo at all, and stuff like emblems was sacrificed so they could sell it to us

Pay no attention either to people defending and attacking all the critics that opposed to 343 including microtransactions to the MCC, saying "it was needed for new content!" (important note: by that time Infinite was struggling with maps and modes)

Put a blind eye also to the people defending the Armor coating, saying it would be wonderful because of the amount of huge customization we would allow 343 to add, bring graphs (you can search them on reddit) showing that we actually always use white in our spartans, so losing the color customization was not that big of a deal; or that "they just need to make money for this free to play experience!" (nobody wanted them to go this way)

And finally, let just not talk ever about how the so called influencers/youtuber/etc were just done with 343 failures and call them out, only to realize they needed Halo to still be a thing so they can still have a job, so they switched the narrative to "actually... 343 saved Halo because it was going to be canned by MS at the end of Reach", which is something anyone with a brain would realize it was not true: they just saw great IP to be milked with many copies ready to be sold, just by putting "Halo" in the box.

So yea, the chills where there. People that for whatever reason decided to defend 343 crap and treat them like a princess that needs a rescue or just some silly co-woker that needs help. Now even those people are either gone, or realize they are just incompetent.

Halo discourse is exhausting; it is easily the least enjoyable franchise to actually engage with because no one on any side is happy and everyone is just so uncharitable and hostile towards each other.

Wow, is almost like taking a very well know IP, changing its core mechanic to appeal to other people that didnt playued the game, and then brute force it with million of dollars in marketing and others, is not that good idea. Again, Halo Reach was launched in 2010, Halo 4 in 2012, and you can see how even with the sprint perk, those games are trying to appeal to different people.

It would be if Polyphony decided that from Gran Turismo 8 onwards the IP is now going to be a full arcade game like Need For Speed with rechargable nitro, easy controllers for drift and drive, and less enfasis in physics, instead of beign this sim-cade with a huge enfasis in the real representation of cars. You of course will get this crap of old fans saying "Please, just make GT great again" vs "More slop! please also put Niki minaj in it in season 32"

Glad that Halo Infinite tried so hard to be a massive apology to the vocally negative fans that it had no spine narratively and is a story where nothing actually happens on-screen and it just sets up a sequel we may or may not get a direct continuation of like 9 years after it released

Or... and this might sound a little crazy: they didnt have the performance they wanted to. Halo 4 was practically abandoned by its player a couple of months afte release, Halo 5 didnt make the big push for people to get an XOne, and it also didnt manage to become the great e-sport they wanted to be. And not only this, the core fans of Halo where just dropping the IP, which is something really important when you marketing strategy have them as a safe net for your sales.

And lets not get around the bush here: if Ensemble Studios didnt want to keep the original art style of Halo in Halo Wars 2, they would just make something else entirely and mainting their over-complex art style. And I dont really care what they say in public podcasts, if they really cared about the OG artstyle they would have either:
- Never change it
- Decided to return to it in Halo 5, after seeing its poor perseption in Halo 4.

 

[Lena CE]

Ah yes... we will totally forget about the chills that defend the horrendous and violent change of art style from a game that has is last new release like 2 before. Halo was not a long lost 90s fps game, Reach was a great hit in 2010 and by 2012 343 decided to just change everything, just because they could. And people defended this crap.

Lets also ignore people defending the REQ packs or the multiplayer that, even if it wasnt bad, it was no Halo at all, and stuff like emblems was sacrificed so they could sell it to us

Pay no attention either to people defending and attacking all the critics that opposed to 343 including microtransactions to the MCC, saying "it was needed for new content!" (important note: by that time Infinite was struggling with maps and modes)

Put a blind eye also to the people defending the Armor coating, saying it would be wonderful because of the amount of huge customization we would allow 343 to add, bring graphs (you can search them on reddit) showing that we actually always use white in our spartans, so losing the color customization was not that big of a deal; or that "they just need to make money for this free to play experience!" (nobody wanted them to go this way)

And finally, let just not talk ever about how the so called influencers/youtuber/etc were just done with 343 failures and call them out, only to realize they needed Halo to still be a thing so they can still have a job, so they switched the narrative to "actually... 343 saved Halo because it was going to be canned by MS at the end of Reach", which is something anyone with a brain would realize it was not true: they just saw great IP to be milked with many copies ready to be sold, just by putting "Halo" in the box.

So yea, the chills where there. People that for whatever reason decided to defend 343 crap and treat them like a princess that needs a rescue or just some silly co-woker that needs help. Now even those people are either gone, or realize they are just incompetent.



Wow, is almost like taking a very well know IP, changing its core mechanic to appeal to other people that didnt playued the game, and then brute force it with million of dollars in marketing and others, is not that good idea. Again, Halo Reach was launched in 2010, Halo 4 in 2012, and you can see how even with the sprint perk, those games are trying to appeal to different people.

It would be if Polyphony decided that from Gran Turismo 8 onwards the IP is now going to be a full arcade game like Need For Speed with rechargable nitro, easy controllers for drift and drive, and less enfasis in physics, instead of beign this sim-cade with a huge enfasis in the real representation of cars. You of course will get this crap of old fans saying "Please, just make GT great again" vs "More slop! please also put Niki minaj in it in season 32"



Or... and this might sound a little crazy: they didnt have the performance they wanted to. Halo 4 was practically abandoned by its player a couple of months afte release, Halo 5 didnt make the big push for people to get an XOne, and it also didnt manage to become the great e-sport they wanted to be. And not only this, the core fans of Halo where just dropping the IP, which is something really important when you marketing strategy have them as a safe net for your sales.

And lets not get around the bush here: if Ensemble Studios didnt want to keep the original art style of Halo in Halo Wars 2, they would just make something else entirely and mainting their over-complex art style. And I dont really care what they say in public podcasts, if they really cared about the OG artstyle they would have either:
- Never change it
- Decided to return to it in Halo 5, after seeing its poor perseption in Halo 4.

I feel like you're just an immature person who sees like 2 people say something on twitter and decides its a trend. No one defends req packs, no one defends armor coatings. Maybe you have somehow managed to find the .1% of random people online who defend the systems, but they are a minority of a minority and do not represent any meaningful part of the fanbase. Any rational person would understand that.

I'm also just not gonna accept someone talking about Halo 4's art direction change as "violent" when Bungie themselves drastically altered the style and tone of Halo with Reach. Bungie obviously have more rights to do that with their baby than anyone else, but the point largely still stands.

Halo's fall from grace has less to do with 343 and more with the shift in the industry in general. Halo wasn't even #1 by the time that Reach launched because CoD became the top FPS franchise in sales. Then Microsoft itself fumbled hard with the Xbox One's launch era and a lot of people jumped ship to the PS4. By the time Halo 5 launched the market share of consoles, userbase size and relevance of Halo as the premier FPS had shifted completely.

Nothing lasts forever.

We can also lampoon 343i and Microsoft greed all we want but Bungie followed predatory monetization trends almost as hard as anyone else in that time. Again, the industry itself was just becoming more vile and anti-consumer. It does not excuse any of it cause it fucking sucked, but I don't want to act like Bungie was some precious angel company that could do no wrong.

This is why Halo discussion is exhausting, no one is an adult about any of it. Its embarrassing imo. You're also talking about 343i as a monolith when much of the staff that worked on 4 didn't work on 5 and by the time Infinite launched, very few of the original team remained. The final paragraph is just pointless. 343i is not a single person with a single cohesive vision.

Also Ensemble closed down long before Halo Wars 2 was made. HW2 was made by Creative Assembly.

343i has made a lot of mistakes and as I've stated Halo should have just ended with 3 anyways. Regardless, I think those games are better than some give them credit for, warts and all. That's all.

Also making the comparison to Gran Turismo is funny because GT fans have been largely divided on the quality of that series for a long time. There has not be a universally loved entry since GT4 on the PS2. Everything else has been controversial and contentious for one reason or another, especially Sport and GT7. Call it the Dunning Kruger effect or whatever.

Not much point in talking about any of it though. You aren't here for discussion you're just here to be angry.