Global degradation of gaming knowledge and respect of the hobby as a whole

[Sonic Boomer]

Well it's a pretty frivolous hobby in the grand scheme of things, as most hobbies are. I find the phrase 'tourist' kind of pathetic. None of this matters.

If it doesn't matter to you, that's ok
But for people who say that none of it matters, many are so quick to jump on everyone who genuinely cares about the hobby and is passionate about it because it supposedly doesn't matter. That fries my brain. I don't get it.

 

[Princess Viola]

Some Princess Viola orou are, can't even use that devil fruit to see what I'm ACTUALLY saying and you're making your own thing up. From the very beginning I keep saying it's ok for people to not have the same knowledge I have on gaming and I don't see how this isn't clear enough by now. All I'm saying is that we've come to a point where it's considered bad or wrong to point out something as simple as someone mixing up genres or palying a game in the wrong aspect ratio.

This topic PERFECTLY illustrates what I was complaining about in the OP.

Society has gotten so strange that something as a minor suggestion or correction is seen as seen pure sin, as preventing people from enjoying games how they want and so forth.

The fact that you can't understand what I'm saying while instantly jumping on me shows that you're not as peaceful "live and let live" as you like to believe, but rather you too do it all for performative reasons probably. I don't know what else to think because what I am saying in this topic can only benefit the hobby as a whole, you just want to breed ignorance.

what are you even fucking talking about

 

[bjork]

But then we have the GTA and FIFA bros who outright refuse to so much as give anything else a chance.
Why is it not ok to consider them as less of a gamer, it's just a gamer that doesn't speak about them as people.

Because that would give credence to the idea that someone like Daigo Umehara is less of a gamer than you or me because he specializes in fighting games and hasn't played some obscure PS1 title whatever, and that's a ridiculous notion?

 

[Sonic Boomer]

Because that would give credence to the idea that someone like Daigo Umehara is less of a gamer than you or me because he specializes in fighting games and hasn't played some obscure PS1 title whatever, and that's a ridiculous notion?

This is an interesting take and I've been thinking about this myself.
Now I am not into professional gaming, tournament gaming and all that stuff, so that world isn't familiar to me. I know who this person is thanks to my friend, but that's not my field of gaming.

However, the way I see it is, there's a huge difference between a professional fighting game player and your average person who simply plays the most popular games and doesn't care much for the hobby outside of that.
This is specialized gaming we're talking about, this person has played tons of fighting games, discovered many different ones, probably played many arcade games as a whole too.
They've trained and studied fighting games for years.

It's a completely different field of gaming.

On the other hand, you have the average "normie" gushing over the latest graphics, refusing to play any game that doesn't have the shiniest most modern realistic "graphics" and never bothering to play anything other than the most popular stuff.

It really isn't the same thing.

Heck I wouldn't even put Counter professional players or Moba professional players on the same level as someone like Diego and other Fighting Game pros because those people, from what I've been told and have seen are different.

But again professional gaming, regardless of the game or genre isn't my field so I can't judge there.

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what are you even fucking talking about

it's a One Piece reference which I assumed your name was from lol

 

[bjork]

However, the way I see it is, there's a huge difference between a professional fighting game player and your average person who simply plays the most popular games and doesn't care much for the hobby outside of that.
This is specialized gaming we're talking about, this person has played tons of fighting games, discovered many different ones, probably played many arcade games as a whole too.
They've trained and studied fighting games for years.

I'm not really seeing the difference between someone who is avid about a specific game or game type in their own home versus someone who is also avid but is one of the best in the world at it. They're both focused on a thing they enjoy, and really, that's enough. Rankings in a tournament surely make sense, so you know who won. But tiers in real life, I just don't get the value in doing it. That's kinda all I got to say about this topic, so I'll just leave with that.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

I'm not really seeing the difference between someone who is avid about a specific game or game type in their own home versus someone who is also avid but is one of the best in the world at it. They're both focused on a thing they enjoy, and really, that's enough. Rankings in a tournament surely make sense, so you know who won. But tiers in real life, I just don't get the value in doing it. That's kinda all I got to say about this topic, so I'll just leave with that.

We all enjoy stuff, that's got nothing to do with this.
As I said, I've enjoyed my share of movies too but would it be ok for me to portray myself as a movie buff all of a sudden and act as if I'm huge into movies when I've only seen a handful and refuse to watch more movies? No, so it's the same with this.

Anyone can enjoy stuff, that's not even what I'm talking about.

We went from criticizing people for mixing genres and using the wrong aspect ratio to people refusing to expand their horizons in gaming, and to each of these all your responses are "let people enjoy enjoy enjoy enjoy" and yet none of what I'm saying is stopping anyone from enjoying what they enjoy

 

[bjork]

We all enjoy stuff, that's got nothing to do with this.
As I said, I've enjoyed my share of movies too but would it be ok for me to portray myself as a movie buff all of a sudden and act as if I'm huge into movies when I've only seen a handful and refuse to watch more movies? No, so it's the same with this.

Yes, it would be ok. Because if you say you're the biggest movie buff ever, it impedes on anyone else's life zero percent. Who is anyone else to tell you that you aren't?

We went from criticizing people for mixing genres and using the wrong aspect ratio to people refusing to expand their horizons in gaming, and to each of these all your responses are "let people enjoy enjoy enjoy enjoy" and yet none of what I'm saying is stopping anyone from enjoying what they enjoy

You're talking about how they either can or cannot refer to themselves based on your own definitions... which are specific to you and not to them. This is really simple but you seem intent on going around in circles about it. I don't. So again, I'm letting it go. You win or whatever.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

I have zero understanding of how you twisted everything in this topic like this.

Look what you are saying makes zero sense at this point to me.

I already explained all I had to say, it's simple, there is nothing wrong with correcting people, there's nothing wrong with helping people broaden their horizones when it comes to gaming by suggesting games, by pointing out technical stuff they're doing wrong or pointing out they might be stuck in a loop of games and they might need to explore more to have even more interesting experiences.

How and why some of you turned this into life debate is beyond me, but it's creeping me out to be honest.

Yes, it would be ok. Because if you say you're the biggest movie buff ever, it impedes on anyone else's life zero percent. Who is anyone else to tell you that you aren't?

This is literally not how reality works

I'm being trolled, right?

 

[TechnologicalMF]

Its really not that hard to get the point in this topic. The examples provided in the OP, especially the tourist part are a really huge problem. Where I start to differ a bit is, I cannot tell whether this is degradation of gaming or just an infiltration of normies and the only reason it seems like anything has degraded is because there was an actual standard set by enthusiasts before who wouldn't do stupid shit like stretching games and putting on bilinear filtering in a putrid combination. Its 100% right and ok to call out things like that, first because they genuinely might not know due to some emulators and stuff pre-setting that way, but also just to start a conversation too. He isn't saying force feed them.

I don't really get what the idea is with people in this thread avoiding a topic and saying its not worth it to debate this when we are literally on a forum about gaming, on a board about gaming discussion, within a post about discussing that thing.

“I'm at the stage in life where I stay out of arguments. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right. Have fun.”​

I don't get why if that is your philosophy I saw you quite a bit in this topic literally engaging in an argument. Don't get why people try to act like this is some ultimate evil or as if you were going to do something that precious with the time anyways. Life is all about balance, not just a constant stream of enjoyment and everyone being right always.

 

[Xdqwerty Xdqwerty]

I think it's that theres actually more knowledge about gaming nowadays or something

 

[Ikagura]

Sometimes I'm wondering if it's a "making a mountain of a molehill" kind of situation.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

Sometimes I'm wondering if it's a "making a mountain of a molehill" kind of situation.

In my personal experience, no.
I constantly see people losing gaming knowledge and constantly as evident in this topic I see people who absolutely lose their minds if you correct someone or try to share some knowledge. It's a very strange situation.

 

[Unassuming_Spook]

In my personal experience, no.
I constantly see people losing gaming knowledge and constantly as evident in this topic I see people who absolutely lose their minds if you correct someone or try to share some knowledge. It's a very strange situation.

Some people hate correction (which is stupid).

 

[Sonic Boomer]

Some people hate correction (which is stupid).

I mean it can be annoying being corrupted over every little thing, but when it comes to gaming they take it so far as to genuinely lose their minds over it for some reason.
They start discussing life and your mental health or obsession with gaming if you dare share some knowledge and correct them.

Basically to them, if it's gaming it's irrelevant and anyone who cares about it is somehow unwell, at least that's what I've been told locally.

 

[Ikagura]

In my personal experience, no.

Good thing that a personal experience does not always mean it's the case for everyone and everything about a subject.

Some people hate correction (which is stupid).

I agree that the "Ackchyually" meme is more harmful as it deflects any tentative of intellectual talk or correction (when the meme was about overly pedantic comments in the first place).

Maybe it depends on how it's done and the way it's said. Some people are correcting in a rude manner.

 

[Unassuming_Spook]

I mean it can be annoying being corrupted over every little thing, but when it comes to gaming they take it so far as to genuinely lose their minds over it for some reason.
They start discussing life and your mental health or obsession with gaming if you dare share some knowledge and correct them.

Basically to them, if it's gaming it's irrelevant and anyone who cares about it is somehow unwell, at least that's what I've been told locally.

Unfortunately, there's a fuse waiting to be lit in some of the places you go. It's better to ignore the judges who judge you as a judge too. (It's true because it rhymes) Especially those who pretend to be confused. If you know your intentions are not at all what the accusers claim them to be, then just pay no attention to them. Focus on the comments from those who read the subject you posted instead of trying to into read you. Your post makes sense and reading about your experience on another comment does too. You're not judging when your common sense understands the obvious.

 

[TechnologicalMF]

I'm fine with people having opposing views and everything, I just really hate how when you're on a forum for discussion people will come out and judge you for just merely discussing like in this thread a few times or talk about their philosophies of not arguing or something.
Like ok, why even participate in forum culture then? It doesn't really make sense. Nobody here should be judging how people spend their time if you're also here too.

And another thing, feels like some people can't grasp that you can be successful and also passionate/invested in something.

 

[ricc]

Ok this is my first time writing something because usually I dont want to fight about hobbies or i see people saying the same thing I'm thinking and just like it but I think you're right but moving the discussion in the wrong direction.

You're right, there are larpers and tourist and indirectly they're moving the gaming discussion in a toxic positive direction, but you can't force them to be anything else if they don't want to.

Yesterday my best friend was telling me she's playing tomodachi life on switch and I told her that Im a fan of the series since I played the 3ds game. She doesn't know what a 3ds is and doesn't care, she just wanted to play with our mii version. It's not a problem and she's right, she doesn't have to know and care about anything if she doesn't want to. It's the same with nba2k players and cod and gta players, they play them because they found it fun and if they play them a lot they are gaming... so they're gamers. Same thing with esports gamers, speedrunners, collectors, even whales.

With that said I agree that it's sad and bad for the media if the discussion evolve into "sharing knowledge = being toxic" , it's already happening in the movie discussion with the jokes like "if you like something that is not common like blockbuster american cinema you're a toxic person because you're putting art into my brainrot" and normies joking about movie buffs saying "if you dont like new taiwanese cinema you dont like movies". It's war between the tourist and the ultra geek and the only one suffering is the people in the middle and the people making it.

I asked myself the same question as you and instead of trying to teach them I learned to feed their curiosity, if you see someone play a retrogame in 16:9, make them curious about other retrogames, they will care and play them in 4:3 soon enough.

If you let everybody enter in any museum without protection and let everybody do whatever you will soon remain with nothing, at the same time if you lecture everybody on how to live and learn art (or anything, really) without empathy but distance and levels they (me included) will find a way to rebel against forced status quo.

I hope it makes sense and I made my point clear because I realized I wrote a lot and I'm not the best in english

 

[TechnologicalMF]

I hope it makes sense and I made my point clear because I realized I wrote a lot and I'm not the best in english

>Italian
>Has a Chainsaw Man pfp instead of a Vento Aureo pfp

 

[Sonic Boomer]

Ok this is my first time writing something because usually I dont want to fight about hobbies or i see people saying the same thing I'm thinking and just like it but I think you're right but moving the discussion in the wrong direction.

You're right, there are larpers and tourist and indirectly they're moving the gaming discussion in a toxic positive direction, but you can't force them to be anything else if they don't want to.

Yesterday my best friend was telling me she's playing tomodachi life on switch and I told her that Im a fan of the series since I played the 3ds game. She doesn't know what a 3ds is and doesn't care, she just wanted to play with our mii version. It's not a problem and she's right, she doesn't have to know and care about anything if she doesn't want to. It's the same with nba2k players and cod and gta players, they play them because they found it fun and if they play them a lot they are gaming... so they're gamers. Same thing with esports gamers, speedrunners, collectors, even whales.

With that said I agree that it's sad and bad for the media if the discussion evolve into "sharing knowledge = being toxic" , it's already happening in the movie discussion with the jokes like "if you like something that is not common like blockbuster american cinema you're a toxic person because you're putting art into my brainrot" and normies joking about movie buffs saying "if you dont like new taiwanese cinema you dont like movies". It's war between the tourist and the ultra geek and the only one suffering is the people in the middle and the people making it.

I asked myself the same question as you and instead of trying to teach them I learned to feed their curiosity, if you see someone play a retrogame in 16:9, make them curious about other retrogames, they will care and play them in 4:3 soon enough.

If you let everybody enter in any museum without protection and let everybody do whatever you will soon remain with nothing, at the same time if you lecture everybody on how to live and learn art (or anything, really) without empathy but distance and levels they (me included) will find a way to rebel against forced status quo.

I hope it makes sense and I made my point clear because I realized I wrote a lot and I'm not the best in english

I kind of get what you're saying, but these are very situational anecdotal events. You seem like a person who is very afraid of speaking out, given your posting history here and that's not me. Your approach to the 16:9 vs 4:3 aspect ratio thing tells me you'd rather be subtle and see if they notice if not that's ok whatever.

I simply can't live that way, it's pure torture for me. I want to express myself, explain things, share things.
I'd be miserable if I have to do what you're doing.

There is NOTHING wrong with just telling someone to play in 4:3 or to check out how good the game can actually look when played at the proper aspect ratio and with filters too.

Also why is it so wrong to not consider someone a gamer if they just casually play a few games every once in a while? Bro, people used to say it themselves back in the day "I'm no gamer I just like playing this game whenever" and that's ok.

We're in this weird/creepy reality now where "everyone's a winner" and it's very disturbing to me. It's OK to not be a gamer just like it's ok for me to not be a music or movie geek whatever the correct terms are for those just because I listen to some music and watch a movie or two once in a blue moon.

I legit find your way of doing things...scary
it shows me how strange society is that we have to overwrite reality and walk on eggshells about everything.

 

[Ikagura]

I asked myself the same question as you and instead of trying to teach them I learned to feed their curiosity, if you see someone play a retrogame in 16:9, make them curious about other retrogames, they will care and play them in 4:3 soon enough.

I find it curious that retro game enthusiasts are still happy to be able to play a decomp or a romhack that allows wide-screen.

I've played F-zero on an actual SNES and F-zero X via the Virtual Console yet I'm glad to see those options to play in widescreen thanks to BSNES HD for the former and a romhack for the later.

Hell, even old PC games get patches from fans (and in official updates) to allow the use of ultrawide.

I am pretty sure that if the original devs had the possibility to make their game run at 60+ FPS they would've done it. This is why Ocarina of Time's decompilation that makes the game smoother is probably what the game would've done without the N64's limitations.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

I find it curious that retro game enthusiasts are still happy to be able to play a decomp or a romhack that allows wide-screen.

I've played F-zero on an actual SNES and F-zero X via the Virtual Console yet I'm glad to see those options to play in widescreen thanks to BSNES HD for the former and a romhack for the later.

Hell, even old PC games get patches from fans (and in official updates) to allow the use of ultrawide.

I personally prefer 4:3 because of my eyesight for horizontal games, but a specifically patched 4:3 game that runs properly in 16:9 is completely fine in my book.
my problem is when games get stretched and everything looks like ass yet nobody notices it but if you dare suggest otherwise you're the bad guy.

If the game is running in 16:9 natively and the sprites and art isn't distorted, there are no gameplay issues, why not, I'm ok with that. I wouldn't do it myself because it doesn't benefit me but it's ok.

 

[TechnologicalMF]

I find it curious that retro game enthusiasts are still happy to be able to play a decomp or a romhack that allows wide-screen.

I've played F-zero on an actual SNES and F-zero X via the Virtual Console yet I'm glad to see those options to play in widescreen thanks to BSNES HD for the former and a romhack for the later.

Hell, even old PC games get patches from fans (and in official updates) to allow the use of ultrawide.

I am pretty sure that if the original devs had the possibility to make their game run at 60+ FPS they would've done it. This is why Ocarina of Time's decompilation that makes the game smoother is probably what the game would've done without the N64's limitations.

I'll drop a random fun fact here, but Street Fighter III: Double Impact had an in-built actual widescreen mode in the debug menu of the arcade. This is the SF that came right before Third Strike.
What's really interesting is, while looking very pretty, it actually disrupts the way supers and specific mechanics work completely. The game is from 1999 btw.

 

[ricc]

I kind of get what you're saying, but these are very situational anecdotal events. You seem like a person who is very afraid of speaking out, given your posting history here and that's not me. Your approach to the 16:9 vs 4:3 aspect ratio thing tells me you'd rather be subtle and see if they notice if not that's ok whatever.

I simply can't live that way, it's pure torture for me. I want to express myself, explain things, share things.
I'd be miserable if I have to do what you're doing.

There is NOTHING wrong with just telling someone to play in 4:3 or to check out how good the game can actually look when played at the proper aspect ratio and with filters too.

Also why is it so wrong to not consider someone a gamer if they just casually play a few games every once in a while? Bro, people used to say it themselves back in the day "I'm no gamer I just like playing this game whenever" and that's ok.

We're in this weird/creepy reality now where "everyone's a winner" and it's very disturbing to me. It's OK to not be a gamer just like it's ok for me to not be a music or movie geek whatever the correct terms are for those just because I listen to some music and watch a movie or two once in a blue moon.

I legit find your way of doing things...scary
it shows me how strange society is that we have to overwrite reality and walk on eggshells about everything.

Yeah maybe im more subtle, i dont think im afraid of speaking out rather I think we're a lot and a lot different so assume (like you're doing with me) can be rude or too on the nose if you dont know. We have a lot of words to say a lot of things and the first thing you say to me after the first thing i say is that you find the way I approach doing things (in general, not even this argument) is scary? I dont know I just wanted to look at the thing from a middle point but you're getting in the defensive for no reason

I dont think everybody is a winner but i dont think everybody is only one thing and instantly the expert in the subject. If someone tried retrogames and wanted to explore more does it have to earn it or can just live and be a gamer?

You're saying that we have to walk on eggshells now but earlier you said that you want to not consider a gamer some people, based on what? and who decide? isn't it also walking on eggshells?

I hope to continue this conversation without you assuming things about me, it's kinda strange, thanks

 

[Sonic Boomer]

Yeah maybe im more subtle, i dont think im afraid of speaking out rather I think we're a lot and a lot different so assume (like you're doing with me) can be rude or too on the nose if you dont know. We have a lot of words to say a lot of things and the first thing you say to me after the first thing i say is that you find the way I approach doing things (in general, not even this argument) is scary? I dont know I just wanted to look at the thing from a middle point but you're getting in the defensive for no reason

I dont think everybody is a winner but i dont think everybody is only one thing and instantly the expert in the subject. If someone tried retrogames and wanted to explore more does it have to earn it or can just live and be a gamer?

You're saying that we have to walk on eggshells now but earlier you said that you want to not consider a gamer some people, based on what? and who decide? isn't it also walking on eggshells?

I hope to continue this conversation without you assuming things about me, it's kinda strange, thanks

I'm struggling to figure out what I said that was so wrong or offensive to you, because you sound like I wronged you somehow.

I've been all for exploration of retro gaming my entire life, even in this topic I said people should explore retro games, learn about new games, expand their experiences. I don't see how that's related to being an expert or not. Nobody expects someone to be an expert at all times. But a person isn't a gamer if they have played 3-4 games in their lives, however if they start exploring, leaning games sure then they're becoming one slowly but surely.

Over time they'll learn more and more, understand gaming history more and so forth.

A person not knowing what a 3ds is and refusing to learn what it is, isn't a gamer, it's a person who just casually plays Tomodachi Life.

But a person who plays Tomodachi Life and then goes on to explore more games from different genres, learns about different consoles, doesn't reject knowledge when shared with them slowly becomes a gamer over time.