Global degradation of gaming knowledge and respect of the hobby as a whole

[nomohero7]

I'm sorry but I don't get your point about "understanding"... You mean recognising the characters and being able to retell the plot from mind? Unless someone rushes through the pages I'm pretty sure that most understand what they're reading

Recent example:

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Also i saw that many people translate Ni No Kuni (Secondary World, world created by kid imagination) like Other World or Second Country, something like this, like China is other word for Europeans. Great game, besides combat quite repetitive (DS version), maybe PS3 version more fun, didn't play, but story, design, puzzles, all great.

Same with video games: if you understand the mechanics and its plot I don't see why someone cannot understand it either.

Does everyone understand mechanics and plot? First time i beat Super Mario World without using any of those colored buttons (to activate colored blocks), cuz i skip first one and didn't learn they exist. There somewhere here thread where people don't understand why do we use genres like metroidvania, roguelike, soulslike, like Mario and Silksong is the same

the whole "are games art" debate is an entirely different subject I'd also argue that it's also a product you've spent money for and modding is a form of editing yet people don't "destroy its value" just because they're playing a modified version of said game.

When i mod my game i don't mod your, and original still exists

I'd also argue that there's the "death of the author" thing to take into account and the private/personal life of said artist shouldn't be the only thing defining said video game

fairytales, myths, legends can have many authors, but they changed alongside with the world, representing changes in the world, retrospective rewriting of culture only happens when one civilization conquer another. Like, which goals, besides political, you can achieve rewriting things from the past?

 

[Ikagura]

Recent example:

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Also i saw that many people translate Ni No Kuni (Secondary World, world created by kid imagination) like Other World or Second Country, something like this, like China is other word for Europeans. Great game, besides combat quite repetitive (DS version), maybe PS3 version more fun, didn't play, but story, design, puzzles, all great.

There are sometimes different interpretation of the same book, while I haven't read that one I understand that some books were written during a different epoch with different moral values.

Other/Second Country can kinda work as a localised name.

Does everyone understand mechanics and plot? First time i beat Super Mario World without using any of those colored buttons (to activate colored blocks), cuz i skip first one and didn't learn they exist. There somewhere here thread where people don't understand why do we use genres like metroidvania, roguelike, soulslike, like Mario and Silksong is the same.

Games can have a hidden mechanic/level but can still be completed without. The Switch Palace are usually made to help the player (and the first one is easily accessible to show them that they exist).

Speedrunners can use said mechanics or skip upgrades to complete the game faster (since SMW can still be completed without using the switches in theory). Super Metroid can be done without using the walljump nor the shinespark yet are great for speedrun (and sequence breaking) that the game is only hinting at them in some semi hidden areas (with those critters) and the attract demo upon completing the game.

On the other hand I cannot blame the complaint about how Metroidvanias, Roguelikes/lites and SoulBorne game genres are getting saturated (many indie games are RL/MVs and a good amount of AAAs are trying to be like FromSoft).

As for the plot in most game genres that's quite secondary (or require multiple playthroughs to get it).

When i mod my game i don't mod your, and original still exists.

Same with movie remasters or remakes. In fact there are movies that aren't faithful to the book yet are still good as themselves.

Fairytales, myths, legends can have many authors, but they changed alongside with the world, representing changes in the world, retrospective rewriting of culture only happens when one civilization conquer another. Like, which goals, besides political, you can achieve rewriting things from the past?

Are there many rewriting done? Preservation has become more important (with museums and libraries) that this doesn't happen as much. You may see a modern adaptation of an old story but those are clearly shown as such (like Treasure Planet which had a space opera approach to an adventure book set in the 18th Century) without trying to replace it.

Now the issue is when a remake is made so that the original isn't available anymore (like when Blade Runner's previous cuts are harder to get when the Final Cut became the standard one).

 

[bjork]

I'm 42

but I will also fight you if all you play is GTA, AAAs, Call of Duty and FIFA or Fortnite and the like and dare to call yourself a gamer while knowing jack all about gaming outside of that filth.

If I lose this passion, something isn't right with me

So, you're old enough to know better. It doesn't sound like a passion. It sounds like somewhere in your life, someone didn't allow you to speak so now you must be heard, even if it's to an audience that didn't ask and/or does not care about the miniutiae.

You can be passionate about a thing without trying so hard to be the gatekeeper who defines how people enjoy things.

 

[HikaruKitsune]

why are you so against us just discussing gaming and sharing ways to make retro games look better or suggesting people get off the generic games and broaden their horizones? that's what gaming is all about, discovery

Hey, here's an idea.

Stop assigning arguments that people didn't make to them.

"Why are you so against", nobody is against that in particular. They are against the CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE that you have attached to it.

This whole thread seems like a trolling attempt.

 

[Tbest25 Tbest25]

Recent example:

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Unrelated to the discussion, but i didn't know that Philip Pullman hated Narnia
I can understand why, both Phillip and Lewis are fiction writers with completely opposite viewpoints in life.

 

[Aunt Sarah]

but I will also fight you if all you play is GTA, AAAs, Call of Duty and FIFA or Fortnite and the like and dare to call yourself a gamer while knowing jack all about gaming outside of that filth.

Gently, I will only say this to you.

That's an incredibly unhealthy mentality, and it will never do anything but hurt you to think like that and make judgements about other human beings based on something as silly as calling themselves a gamer or not. I have the gamer label, and it literally means nothing to me. It just means I play video games. People who play only "GTA and Triple A" or sports games etc. are by that definition gamers.

If it so enrages you that they use that label, please seek professional counseling. You need help. You are not ok.

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Hey, here's an idea.

Stop assigning arguments that people didn't make to them.

"Why are you so against", nobody is against that in particular. They are against the CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE that you have attached to it.

This whole thread seems like a trolling attempt.

I'm tempted to invoke Poe's Law on this thread, for sure. It feels like an attempt to roleplay as the Simpsons comic book store guy.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

Gently, I will only say this to you.

That's an incredibly unhealthy mentality, and it will never do anything but hurt you to think like that and make judgements about other human beings based on something as silly as calling themselves a gamer or not. I have the gamer label, and it literally means nothing to me. It just means I play video games. People who play only "GTA and Triple A" or sports games etc. are by that definition gamers.

If it so enrages you that they use that label, please seek professional counseling. You need help. You are not ok.

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I'm tempted to invoke Poe's Law on this thread, for sure. It feels like an attempt to roleplay as the Simpsons comic book store guy.

On the contrary, my honest expression of both positive and negative emotions and feelings openly is EXACTLY what makes me thrive, the freedom to love and hate, to be happy and angry, to be annoyed or calm and to be able to express that range of emotions freely is what makes me feel complete, gives me that freedom to thrive, to enjoy life to its fullest.

It's PERFECTLY fine that you don't care about this stuff and of course, that's how you express your interests and hobbies, nothing wrong with that.

But this is what really makes me question the sincerity of your posts....that supposed calm demeanor

If it so enrages you that they use that label, please seek professional counseling. You need help. You are not ok.

To corelate a mere annoyance about my hobby and me not wanting to be suffocated and kept down as "unwell in need of professional help" tells me that you might genuinely feel that every expression of strong non positive feelings at times is something to worry about, that's....well it's a cultural thing maybe or indoctrination or some kind of self help thing gone wrong, something here is very odd.

You strike me as a person who is gentle and docile in a very performative way, but as soon as someone or something disagrees with your supposed peace you turn to passive aggression, over exaggerate and turn a normal conversation about a hobby into a discussion about seeking professional help. This doesn't sit well with me, a person who needs toxic positivity to regulate themselves has unresolved issues or has gone through so much hell in life that they genuinely believe every little discussion that doesn't lead to wide, fake pearly smiles is terrifying or a red flag for needing professional help but....yeah this is probably one of those rare occasions where I do indeed step back and not argue with someone because I sense something ....else in there. But I'm probably too dumb to back down :)

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So, you're old enough to know better. It doesn't sound like a passion. It sounds like somewhere in your life, someone didn't allow you to speak so now you must be heard, even if it's to an audience that didn't ask and/or does not care about the miniutiae.

You can be passionate about a thing without trying so hard to be the gatekeeper who defines how people enjoy things.

Nah, I was a spoiled lil shit and I got to express myself my entire life, maybe that's actually the problem lol if you see my behavior as a problem. I'm just always used to express myself openly so when I see people trying to shut that down I push back.

 

[SamanthaSamantha's icon]

NGL, it's starting to smell like the DeviantArt forums in here.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

NGL, it's starting to smell like the DeviantArt forums in here.

yes I sense it too and there's that tumblr scent too.....and I'm also starting to see a lot of blue...sky here as well I get that vibe

 

[HikaruKitsune]

Gently, I will only say this to you.

That's an incredibly unhealthy mentality, and it will never do anything but hurt you to think like that and make judgements about other human beings based on something as silly as calling themselves a gamer or not. I have the gamer label, and it literally means nothing to me. It just means I play video games. People who play only "GTA and Triple A" or sports games etc. are by that definition gamers.

If it so enrages you that they use that label, please seek professional counseling. You need help. You are not ok.

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I'm tempted to invoke Poe's Law on this thread, for sure. It feels like an attempt to roleplay as the Simpsons comic book store guy.

What makes it seem like a massive troll to me is the constant mentioning of Luelinks.

 

[bjork]

yes I sense it too and there's that tumblr scent too.....and I'm also starting to see a lot of blue...sky here as well I get that vibe

Ah, okay. I get it now. This explains a lot.

 

[YoshifreakZX]

Oh no... The Bluesky scent must be coming from me...
Let's go... To gay bar?

 

[Sonic Boomer]

What makes it seem like a massive troll to me is the constant mentioning of Luelinks.

Who? ME!? Mentioning LUElinks all the time? Naaah
I'm not bitter or anything, I'm chill as fuck and I let it all go..........NEVER! :D

 

[nomohero7]

Same with movie remasters or remakes. In fact there are movies that aren't faithful to the book yet are still good as themselves.

Good things are made by people who care what they doing. Sometimes even bad things can be interesting, like The Room movie, because there some original author vision. But remakes and changes for old games are pushed by marketing, not artists, and now you have all those people, who never care about games, cuz "games for stupid kids, it case violence and cancer", as soon games became mainstream, those tourists fill industry and teamup with corporations against artists. God of War as example. In original you have conflict of two bastards, Ares (God of War, war is bad) and Kratos who sell his ass for power and then whole game blame Ares for that. God of War 2018: good hero fight evil villain for family values, and when author of original games call this out he was attacked by tourists mob that hates him and original games, "because Kratos grow up, and now God of War is good guy" (war is good?) idk

like Treasure Planet which had a space opera approach to an adventure book set in the 18th Century) without trying to replace it.

So you have old one, and new one.
But people who wants to change games don't know how to make games, because they don't care about games, they just case problems and ruin what exists

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[Sonic Boomer]

Ah, okay. I get it now. This explains a lot.

Well aren't those the places that generally like toxic positivity? If you criticize something you instantly get hate, so you have to walk on eggshells and a few users are starting to act that way already with the professional help comments over nothing and such, the word usage, the sentence structure.


We're just talking about the way we approach gaming as a hobby and this user starts discussing life and weird stuff like me seeking professional help over telling someone to play retro games for 4:3 in the correct aspect ratio or me standing up for myself when people piled up on me back in the day for playing on easy.

It's all too contradictory and confusing and very similar to those online places where they pretend to be all loving and caring until they're not over something small.

 

[contrail_]

Oh no, I don't have a PVM and a SCART-JP21 converter! I'm heckin' doin' gamer crimes!

Actually, you don't need a PVM or Scart. PVMs were used to check games' visual fidelity, developers didn't intend for games to be played on those. Up until the fifth gen of consoles, tv games weren't made with an RGB signal in mind.

but I will also fight you if all you play is GTA, AAAs, Call of Duty and FIFA or Fortnite and the like and dare to call yourself a gamer while knowing jack all about gaming outside of that filth.

I for one sort of agree with this man and support his right to say this shit! But hear me out first!

Public discourse hasn't changed much since the 19th century, probably since earlier. We've had almost exactly the same discussions in the world of painting, theater, literature, music, etc during their respective, cyclical golden ages, in between civilizational downfalls, eternal recurrence style. (look up dudes like Satie)
You don't get to hand-wave away this type of opinion with a shallow, intellectually dishonest "It is the 21st century, we are too advanced and mature to dismiss things for being too lowbrow, you are ill-adjusted to our utopian society and should therefore not speak, also seek help" type grandstanding.
When you dismiss this dude's opinion by using this rhetoric, what you're saying is no different from what he's saying: "your opinion is too lowbrow and is therefore inadequate". If you disagree, attack his argument, not his character. Failing to respond adequately will cause the discussion to devolve into passively insulting each other while putting on airs, while the misgivings at the root of the topic will remain and come back eventually.

And if you think he is too old to be expressing some of his more 'drastic' opinions, then you are too old to be playing video games or posting on forums about primitivist video games.
Also, people who play video games and post on forums have no right to accuse anyone of 'wasting time and effort'.

So, you're old enough to know better. It doesn't sound like a passion. It sounds like somewhere in your life, someone didn't allow you to speak so now you must be heard, even if it's to an audience that didn't ask and/or does not care about the miniutiae.

You can be passionate about a thing without trying so hard to be the gatekeeper who defines how people enjoy things.

I for one am interested in what the dude is saying. Some of it may or may not come from a good place, but pathologizing someone like that in order to bait him into defending himself and derailing the attempted discussion, just because you disagree with him, is kinda gatekeepy too.
I realize that if this thread goes unchecked, it could eventually devolve in old men yelling at clouds, but honestly, which is worse?

 

[Sonic Boomer]

This is a weird ass thread

Oh nooo other people aren't turbo nerds like I am about a thing I really like oh nooo

Are you like 12 or something, I'm almost 30 years old I have more important shit in my life to care about than people who are casually into my hobbies not being as hardcore into them as I am. I got bills and taxes to pay.

Some Princess Viola orou are, can't even use that devil fruit to see what I'm ACTUALLY saying and you're making your own thing up. From the very beginning I keep saying it's ok for people to not have the same knowledge I have on gaming and I don't see how this isn't clear enough by now. All I'm saying is that we've come to a point where it's considered bad or wrong to point out something as simple as someone mixing up genres or palying a game in the wrong aspect ratio.

This topic PERFECTLY illustrates what I was complaining about in the OP.

Society has gotten so strange that something as a minor suggestion or correction is seen as seen pure sin, as preventing people from enjoying games how they want and so forth.

The fact that you can't understand what I'm saying while instantly jumping on me shows that you're not as peaceful "live and let live" as you like to believe, but rather you too do it all for performative reasons probably. I don't know what else to think because what I am saying in this topic can only benefit the hobby as a whole, you just want to breed ignorance.

 

[JustLooking456]

@Sonic Boomer I do agree that people can be overly hyper-sensitive over things like that these days, however, I've come to the conclusion that those types of people are pretty damn foolish/toxic/lame, and since they behave that way so often, and are set in their ways, I just don't even bother with them anymore. Their ignorance isn't going to sour my gaming.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

Actually, you don't need a PVM or Scart. PVMs were used to check games' visual fidelity, developers didn't intend for games to be played on those. Up until the fifth gen of consoles, tv games weren't made with an RGB signal in mind.


I for one sort of agree with this man and support his right to say this shit! But hear me out first!

Public discourse hasn't changed much since the 19th century, probably since earlier. We've had almost exactly the same discussions in the world of painting, theater, literature, music, etc during their respective, cyclical golden ages, in between civilizational downfalls, eternal recurrence style. (look up dudes like Satie)
You don't get to hand-wave away this type of opinion with a shallow, intellectually dishonest "It is the 21st century, we are too advanced and mature to dismiss things for being too lowbrow, you are ill-adjusted to our utopian society and should therefore not speak, also seek help" type grandstanding.
When you dismiss this dude's opinion by using this rhetoric, what you're saying is no different from what he's saying: "your opinion is too lowbrow and is therefore incorrect". If you disagree, attack his argument, not his character. Failing to respond adequately will cause the discussion to devolve into passively insulting each other, while the misgivings at the root of the topic will remain and come back eventually.

And if you think he is too old to be expressing some of his more 'drastic' opinions, then you are too old to be playing video games or posting on forums about primitivist video games.
Also, people who play video games and post on forums have no right to accuse anyone of 'wasting time and effort'.


I for one am interested in what the dude is saying. Some of it may or may not come from a good place, but pathologizing someone like that in order to bait him into defending himself and derailing the attempted discussion, just because you disagree with him, is kinda gatekeepy too.
I realize that if this thread goes unchecked, it could eventually devolve in old men yelling at clouds, but honestly, which is worse?

THANK YOU!

On my comment on people who only play GTA, AAA and such
I made a mistake and can't edit that post now but I wanted to say ONLY play those games not if they just play them. I have over 100 hours in GTAV myself.

The idea is that gaming, as a hobby is all about discovery and diversity

Do you know what I'm playing right now?

Why? Because some video got recommended to me where the guy SCREAMS the game is "woke" and criticized the animation as 10fps, which is objectively not true, the game has PHENOMENAL stylized reduced animation for the characters and such while running very smoothly.

I got so frustrated listening to the video I instantly bought the game to experience it myself, whether it's good or bad we will see, but I can say one thing for sure for now, the art and animation are top notch. I play modern games, retro games, generic normie games and weird ones too.

I love gaming more than anything so of course I can't put someone who only sticks to a few normie games and ACTIVELY REFUSES to play anything else on the same level as a person who enjoys discovering gaming

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@Sonic Boomer I do agree that people can be overly hyper-sensitive over things like that these days, however, I've come to the conclusion that those types of people are pretty damn foolish/toxic/lame, and since they behave that way so often, and are set in their ways, I just don't even bother with them anymore. Their ignorance isn't going to sour my gaming.

The way I feel it has affected gaming negatively is because people are afraid to share knowledge and info when needed out of fear of being flamed like I am in this topic.
To the average person being told they need to seek professional help over a video game dispute is probably offensive, to me it's just internet trolling. So people avoid sharing their knowledge because they fear or don't want to deal with these toxic positivity people who pretend to be "gentle" as that lady did up there saying "gently" then going full on passive aggressive.

This in turn leaves many many people who COULD have learned something ignorant, because nobody was brave enough to say something as simple as "bro you shouldn't stretch the game that way, it's designed for a different aspect ratio" or "bro DOOM isn't a shmup"

because when something as basic as those comments are seen as aggressive, as the person making them having no life/losing sleep over it and all the other nonsense we saw posted in this topic, people won't have the courage to make such comments, which in turn will breed more ignorance.

 

[bjork]

I for one am interested in what the dude is saying. Some of it may or may not come from a good place, but pathologizing someone like that in order to bait him into defending himself and derailing the attempted discussion, just because you disagree with him, is kinda gatekeepy too.
I realize that if this thread goes unchecked, it could eventually devolve in old men yelling at clouds, but honestly, which is worse?

I mean, good for you? Maybe you guys can go bro out or something. He's the one who presented his stance without apology, so how that makes it immune to criticism, I don't know. The whole "this person is on a lower level than me because they enjoy [game]" does a lot of heavy lifting here in helping someone form their view on his take. I never said he shouldn't have it, but that doesn't mean I'm gatekeeping if I don't go, "please regale me with more of your inherent wisdom, o gaming scholar, your view is so valid" and instead think he kinda sounds like a goof. You know? It's not the end of the world.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

I mean, good for you? Maybe you guys can go bro out or something. He's the one who presented his stance without apology, so how that makes it immune to criticism, I don't know. The whole "this person is on a lower level than me because they enjoy [game]" does a lot of heavy lifting here in helping someone form their view on his take. I never said he shouldn't have it, but that doesn't mean I'm gatekeeping if I don't go, "please regale me with more of your inherent wisdom, o gaming scholar, your view is so valid" and instead think he kinda sounds like a goof. You know? It's not the end of the world.

Why would you need my apology for? THIS right here is the tumbler/deviantart/bluesky thing I mentioned.

People assumed such nonsense about me in this topic I don't ask them to apologize, why would they, it's just internet banter

Also just because someone isn't on the same level in a certain hobby as somebody else that doesn't automatically make them a lesser person, so why would I apologize?

OK example time.
I know jack all about movies, I'm just not a movie guy

but I have seen a few movies over the years that I love.

Now if I was going to go claiming that I'm a huge fan of movies to somebody who has spent years genuinely loving and enjoying the hobby, I'd be a tourist too. I am not on the same level they are in that field and that's ok.

Same goes for what I said about gaming and only ever playing generic popular titles.

 

[bjork]

Also just because someone isn't on the same level in a certain hobby as somebody else that doesn't automatically make them a lesser person, so why would I apologize?

Not what you said earlier:

I love gaming more than anything so of course I can't put someone who only sticks to a few normie games and ACTIVELY REFUSES to play anything else on the same level as a person who enjoys discovering gaming

Maybe it's miscommunication through phrasing, but being clear going a long way.

It's possible to help someone else discover new games, rather than dismissing them outright because their depth of experience is less than yours. You once had a limited amount of experience too, we all did. But if they choose to only play one game, I don't see why that's somehow less than.

 

[Sheepy765]

This is equal parts dizzying and interesting to read through.

 

[Sonic Boomer]

Not what you said earlier:

Maybe it's miscommunication through phrasing, but being clear going a long way.

It's possible to help someone else discover new games, rather than dismissing them outright because their depth of experience is less than yours. You once had a limited amount of experience too, we all did. But if they choose to only play one game, I don't see why that's somehow less than.

I've been very consistent in everything I've been saying from the beginning
I'm not saying we should just play everything, but when you never ever even try to look past the generic most popular stuff yet come at me saying how big of a gamer you are, I can't hold you to the same standards as someone who is interested in discovering all kinds of games.

They don't have to like everything
I know I hate a ton of games and genres, but I've also kept an open mind and tried tons of other games.

But then we have the GTA and FIFA bros who outright refuse to so much as give anything else a chance.
Why is it not ok to consider them as less of a gamer, it's just a gamer that doesn't speak about them as people.

It's ok to have a hierarchy, we can't all be equal in everything.

 

[snes9x]

Well it's a pretty frivolous hobby in the grand scheme of things, as most hobbies are. I find the phrase 'tourist' kind of pathetic. None of this matters.