Final Fantasy Megathread

[Lena CE]

The only thing that annoys me about the remake/sequel/timeline fuckery is that they were playing coy about it in the marketing. But, realistically that would only bother players who are really attached to the story of the original game. The bigger issue with the series has been the dumb idea of splitting the content of one game into three 60 hr ones. It forces them to fill the game with filler, minigames and nonsense.

Honestly that's why it works. We already knew the game was gonna have to take vast liberties and make absurdly large additions to the source material to take a single 40 hour game and spread it across 3, 40 hour games. Of course now we have a better idea as to what all that means, but I'm kind of glad that in an age of media marketing the totality of themselves to audiences before release at least 1 massive budget project managed to play with expectations even if I personally didn't care for it all too much.

The filler argument is interesting to me as someone who hasn't played Rebirth. I'm sure it does feel like a lot, but almost every minigame I've seen in Rebirth was present in the OG or is just new side content. Kinda want to play it just to see if I can understand why people don't mind OG's consistent minigame shakeups but lament Rebirth as far as a main playthrough goes.



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Side note, I'm starting a Final Fantasy 1 playthrough! Will be my first time on a pixel remaster release and I'm excited to shoot for the platinum! Anyone want a party member named after them? Gimme a name and what class ya want if so :D

 

[Sir Auriel of Lionel]

In full honesty I always pass on Dragon Quest due to me never liking Toriyama's art style, Chrono Trigger my one exception.

What makes a Final Fantasy game is probably the best question to ask now since that's where the discussion is heading. For me it's the immersion to go everywhere in a breathing world of each Ivalice title and FFXV failed me in that and if that same level of depth is present in FFXVI then honestly I'm being told to look elsewhere, either new titles, indies, or old titles getting remastered as was the case for Romancing SaGa and Star Ocean.

 

[Strategist Strategist]

In full honesty I always pass on Dragon Quest due to me never liking Toriyama's art style, Chrono Trigger my one exception.

Weird. It is the opposite for me. I like the artstyle but I don't like the vibes or the story. Usually its the basic JRPG country bumpkin that goes on an adventure storyline we've all seen a thousand times. Final Fantasy, for all its faults, tries to be more "adult" (for lack of a better word) and varied in its themes and settings.

 

[Lena CE]

Weird. It is the opposite for me. I like the artstyle but I don't like the vibes or the story. Usually its the basic JRPG country bumpkin that goes on an adventure storyline we've all seen a thousand times. Final Fantasy, for all its faults, tries to be more "adult" (for lack of a better word) and varied in its themes and settings.

Highly recommend trying games like DQ5, DQ7 and DQ11 out. I think it also applies to entries like DQ8 but those first 3 I mentioned do a fantastic job of adding important wrinkles to the very familiar story and setting that the franchise tends to cling to, especially DQ5 and DQ7. I don't think a single game has captured the specific sense of adventure that DQ7 gives me and I wish I could bottle that shit up and drink it lol

 

[MasterEn]

Weird. It is the opposite for me. I like the artstyle but I don't like the vibes or the story. Usually its the basic JRPG country bumpkin that goes on an adventure storyline we've all seen a thousand times. Final Fantasy, for all its faults, tries to be more "adult" (for lack of a better word) and varied in its themes and settings.

In full honesty I always pass on Dragon Quest due to me never liking Toriyama's art style, Chrono Trigger my one exception.

What makes a Final Fantasy game is probably the best question to ask now since that's where the discussion is heading. For me it's the immersion of each Ivalice title and FFXV failed me in that and if that same level of depth is present in FFXVI then honestly I'm being told to look elsewhere, either new titles, indies, or old titles getting remastered as was the case for Romancing SaGa and Star Ocean.

final fantasy is rooted in dungeons & dragons. that's why the story feels more "adult", it is supposed to be taking itself seriously. dragon quest has more of a relaxed feel to it. that could be due to Toriyama's involvement. he liked being more chilled and comedic with his stuff.
another thing that should be noted, is that the people involved with the games have changed over time. it's more unusual for someone to leave a company in japan from what i've heard, but it does happen. this would cause a usually subtle shift with anything new coming out of a company. the people who worked on the first final fantasy games may no longer be at the company.

 

[Strategist Strategist]

final fantasy is rooted in dungeons & dragons. that's why the story feels more "adult", it is supposed to be taking itself seriously. dragon quest has more of a relaxed feel to it. that could be due to Toriyama's involvement. he liked being more chilled and comedic with his stuff.
another thing that should be noted, is that the people involved with the games have changed over time. it's more unusual for someone to leave a company in japan from what i've heard, but it does happen. this would cause a usually subtle shift with anything new coming out of a company. the people who worked on the first final fantasy games may no longer be at the company.

I could see Nomura trying to turn Final Fantasy into something more like Kingdom Hearts, but Yoshi P is a big fan of the older Final Fantasies. Problem is, he doesn't like turnbased and is Devil May Cry pilled.

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[temper137c]

Yes

 

[Iguana-0]

That would be freakin awesome! But i think it might really really hard or even impossible given how big the game is. A lot of content would have to be cut. Unless it were to run across multiple Discs. Kinda like the PSX games... I never played Final Fantasy 10 so i dunno if it's Multi-Disc.

 

[temper137c]

That would be freakin awesome! But i think it might really really hard or even impossible given how big the game is. A lot of content would have to be cut. Unless it were to run across multiple Discs. Kinda like the PSX games... I never played Final Fantasy 10 so i dunno if it's Multi-Disc.

What if specific to emulators and or the multiple disc format? Possible right?
(Dreamz Lazily of the possibility)

 

[Iguana-0]

What if specific to emulators and or the multiple disc format? Possible right?
(Dreamz Lazily of the possibility)

I mean... I dunno much about Dreamcast emulation or the console itself. But couldn't dreamcast CD's hold about 700mbs of Data or was it a GB?

 

[Aleph]

I mean... I dunno much about Dreamcast emulation or the console itself. But couldn't dreamcast CD's hold about 700mbs of Data or was it a GB?

Dreamcast GD-ROMs held 1 GB of data. Kind of insane when you think about the timing of this thing. (In a bad way).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD-ROM

 

[Iguana-0]

Dreamcast GD-ROMs held 1 GB of data. Kind of insane when you think about the timing of this thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD-ROM

Yeah wasn't it like 1998 [In Japan] when this beast released?

 

[Aleph]

Yeah wasn't it like 1998 [In Japan] when this beast released?

Yeah. I can't seem to find anything comparable online about it for a 1998 release date. What's blowing my mind is how long it took to move this thing over to the US.

Pretty much shows how valuable a global release would have been for a company like Sega to pull off at the time. They would have probably landed themselves in a pretty unique position had they attained it. This is what I meant by 'in a bad way'. The staggered release cost them any momentum they had then.

By the time this little-guy-that-could made it onto the scene in the U.S., PlayStation 2 had just been announced for March 2000 in Japan, October 2000 in the U.S.

Then you add that with the whole Sega CD, 32X stuff just a few years prior; I don't think people wanted to be near Sega after the Sega Saturn released. Seems like if they had just waited a few years and had better planning none of this would have happened.

Too many add-ons, no clear direction. What a terrible fate.

 

[Zerpina]

I Don't think you could. if i remember right, Rockstar was going to put GTA3 on the Dreamcast anyhow, and had part of the code done. and since it got Leaked, Fan coders and such have worked on it. but Already had part of the Code to work From.

Most likely it Would not be possible.
if it Could be done. it would have to be Reverse engineered from the ground up.
which without a Large team activity working on it full time, might take Years, or Decades.

 

[MasterEn]

Is it possible to port Final Fantasy 10 to say Dreamcast? I asked because of the recent gta3 port to Dreamcast. If so how do I help this take place, I have soda and ramen to chip in for the cause ...?

it's possible. ff7 was demade into an nes game. 2gbs shrunk down to 2mbs.

 

[Zerpina]

it's possible. ff7 was demade into an nes game. 2gbs shrunk down to 2mbs.

But that was all hand done Sprites, little different than a Full game from PS to DC, from Scratch

 

[MasterEn]

But that was all hand done Sprites, little different than a Full game from PS to DC, from Scratch

true. it does use the ff2 nes game as a base. it might be more feasible with using another game as a starting point.

 

[Clippy]

I highly doubt it. PC version of GTA III came on 2 CDs. That's 1.3Gb if we assume Rockstar filled both discs to the brim with data. I dunno how much space console versions took up but I assume it's in the same ballpark. Compressing that to a 1Gb GD-ROM is most likely lossy but doable. FFX ISO takes up way more space than that. Sure, you could try to split it into several discs; good luck with that.

And all of that comes before you even have to contend with things like DC controller's lack of second analog and a few buttons.

 

[Iguana-0]

I highly doubt it. PC version of GTA III came on 2 CDs. That's 1.3Gb if we assume Rockstar filled both discs to the brim with data. I dunno how much space console versions took up but I assume it's in the same ballpark. Compressing that to a 1Gb GD-ROM is most likely lossy but doable. FFX ISO takes up way more space than that. Sure, you could try to split it into several discs; good luck with that.

And all of that comes before you even have to contend with things like DC controller's lack of second analog and a few buttons.

True. Unless you can design a third party controller which supports 2 analog sticks... That would be interesting to see.

 

[MasterEn]

I highly doubt it. PC version of GTA III came on 2 CDs. That's 1.3Gb if we assume Rockstar filled both discs to the brim with data. I dunno how much space console versions took up but I assume it's in the same ballpark. Compressing that to a 1Gb GD-ROM is most likely lossy but doable. FFX ISO takes up way more space than that. Sure, you could try to split it into several discs; good luck with that.

And all of that comes before you even have to contend with things like DC controller's lack of second analog and a few buttons.

the dreamcast has it's own disk type apparently, like the gamecube, wii and wii u had. it holds about 1 gb of data and it's called the GD-ROM.

 

[Clippy]

the dreamcast has it's own disk type apparently, like the gamecube, wii and wii u had. it holds about 1 gb of data and it's called the GD-ROM.

Uh, that's what I said, among other things.

 

[MasterEn]

Uh, that's what I said, among other things.

i apparently only read the first two sentences.
since there's a pc version of the game, it might be 4.7 gbs if they used dvd-roms, other wise 780mb max if they used regular cd-roms.
it's far more likely to be possible since the pc version exists, which is the absolute closest for gamers and regular people in getting the complete raw data for a game, which would allow for direct programming and code alteration.

 

[ZombieFish]

Yeah, as impressive as DC GTA3 is, PS2 GTA3 looked kinda dated when it came out. Being originally PS2 exclusive, and a Square flagship, I’m sure FFX is doing a bunch of stuff that’s so specific to the Emotion Engine that it takes more modern architecture to replicate it on PC, and would have to be a completely different game on DC.

 

[starseeker300]

Side note, I'm starting a Final Fantasy 1 playthrough! Will be my first time on a pixel remaster release and I'm excited to shoot for the platinum! Anyone want a party member named after them? Gimme a name and what class ya want if so :D

I call red mage slot

 

[Sir Auriel of Lionel]

Side note, I'm starting a Final Fantasy 1 playthrough! Will be my first time on a pixel remaster release and I'm excited to shoot for the platinum! Anyone want a party member named after them? Gimme a name and what class ya want if so :D

White Mage - Anri the true MVP