What is your views related to Pirating?

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Even when games were physical you basically were buying the licence to legally use said program,the support itself is just a tool to use them.

Piracy is merely meaning you're using any program without their respective licenses and is stealing in the intellectual property sense of the word rather than the physical one (like using a patent without authorisation).

It's more of a victimless crime as well.

 

[thanonyx thanonyx]

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me!

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I think this quote is too often taken out of context.

The whole "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" is flawed because you still technically own the product's license but not the physical/content of the product.

Yes, it does suck that you don't own every files of said product but when you buy you have a tacit agreement with the company providing it to you.

Piracy is the act of using a product without getting the licence (yes, even if you borrow or lend a game to a friend you're technically crossing the line as you didn't get it, only the support but it was tolerated).

While I won't defend a company's action or the latest trends like GaaS or Cloud Gaming I still am consciously aware that, by downloading even a 25+ years old video game, I'm technically stealing it (not the cartridge, the CD nor the folder containing the data but the intellectual property).

 

[Strategist's icon Strategist Strategist]

Even when games were physical you basically were buying the licence to legally use said program,the support itself is just a tool to use them.

Maybe theoretically, but practically you owned a piece of plastic casing and a silicone chip with a copy of the game data on it. No one could take it away from you. Or a plastic disc with a copy of the data. The end user agreement just served to clarify that they were selling a license to use the data and not ownership of the data itself.

Now through digital licenses they reserve the right to take away the license to the game when before they didn't have such an option.

 

[DanVzare]

While I agree with the sentiment. I'm not particularly fond of the phrases "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing." Or the similar phrase "You can't steal what you can't buy." Because it weakens the argument for piracy by being illogical.

Firstly, if buying isn't owning means that piracy isn't stealing. Then it stands to reason that if buying was owning, then piracy would be stealing. Except piracy is never stealing (at least not in the traditional sense). Since stealing would imply removing the original. Piracy makes a copy. It's closer to stealing the same way as stealing someone's idea. It's a completely different concept to what most people think of when stealing is mentioned.

Secondly, you totally can steal things that you can't buy. As an example, I can't buy the crown jewels, but I certainly can steal them. I can't buy the books from a library, but I can definitely steal them. And there's plenty of other examples, such as the government can steal land when they can't buy it, and so and so forth.

So as someone who promotes piracy, I'm against those phrases simply because under scrutiny, they make piracy sound like a philosophy that doesn't stand up to reason. While in actuality, it does.

But like I said, I agree with the sentiment behind it.

 

[Strategist's icon Strategist Strategist]

While I agree with the sentiment. I'm not particularly fond of the phrases "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing." Or the similar phrase "You can't steal what you can't buy." Because it weakens the argument for piracy by being illogical.

Firstly, if buying isn't owning means that piracy isn't stealing. Then it stands to reason that if buying was owning, then piracy would be stealing. Except piracy is never stealing (at least not in the traditional sense). Since stealing would imply removing the original. Piracy makes a copy. It's closer to stealing the same way as stealing someone's idea. It's a completely different concept to what most people think of when stealing is mentioned.

Secondly, you totally can steal things that you can't buy. As an example, I can't buy the crown jewels, but I certainly can steal them. I can't buy the books from a library, but I can definitely steal them. And there's plenty of other examples, such as the government can steal land when they can't buy it, and so and so forth.

So as someone who promotes piracy, I'm against those phrases simply because under scrutiny, they make piracy sound like a philosophy that doesn't stand up to reason. While in actuality, it does.

But like I said, I agree with the sentiment behind it.

I generally prefer a different truism.

"When companies make it inconvenient to purchase games, piracy becomes a necessity"

 

[What's His Face]

I generally prefer a different truism.

"When companies make it inconvenient to purchase games, piracy becomes a necessity"

This. There is also the other truism about Capitalism: Customers are not obligated to buy from you, they can buy from anyone else or simply not at all.

 

[otogirisou]

If piracy isn't stealing i would never pirate​

 

[Advil Lavs]

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

If they want you to spend more money to play a game you already own, for example, just pirate it.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

I didn't start the war, but I'm sure as hell gonna end it.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Maybe theoretically, but practically you owned a piece of plastic casing and a silicone chip with a copy of the game data on it. No one could take it away from you. Or a plastic disc with a copy of the data. The end user agreement just served to clarify that they were selling a license to use the data and not ownership of the data itself.

Now through digital licenses they reserve the right to take away the license to the game when before they didn't have such an option.

Technically you could still be dependant on a server online to activate a game. Yes, Games For Windows Live basically forced you to do that even with physical games.

While I agree with the sentiment. I'm not particularly fond of the phrases "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing." Or the similar phrase "You can't steal what you can't buy." Because it weakens the argument for piracy by being illogical.

Firstly, if buying isn't owning means that piracy isn't stealing. Then it stands to reason that if buying was owning, then piracy would be stealing. Except piracy is never stealing (at least not in the traditional sense). Since stealing would imply removing the original. Piracy makes a copy. It's closer to stealing the same way as stealing someone's idea. It's a completely different concept to what most people think of when stealing is mentioned.

Secondly, you totally can steal things that you can't buy. As an example, I can't buy the crown jewels, but I certainly can steal them. I can't buy the books from a library, but I can definitely steal them. And there's plenty of other examples, such as the government can steal land when they can't buy it, and so and so forth.

So as someone who promotes piracy, I'm against those phrases simply because under scrutiny, they make piracy sound like a philosophy that doesn't stand up to reason. While in actuality, it does.

But like I said, I agree with the sentiment behind it.

The issue I got is that some people will try justifying unscrupulous actions by repeating the sentence while in reality they just want free games.

It's the same with those that claims they care about preservation while they're playing games that ended up getting leaked therefore haven't come out already (then the whole "preservation" argument is not applicable for these).

Same thing with indie games that are Epic Game Store exclusives so they prefer to pirate it despite being legally available.

This. There is also the other truism about Capitalism: Customers are not obligated to buy from you, they can buy from anyone else or simply not at all.

That's better than "the customer is always right".

 

[DanCalibur]

 

[SpikeSlania]

Same thing with indie games that are Epic Game Store exclusives so they prefer to pirate it despite being legally available.

That is the main reason I don't actively support Switch emulation. A lot of people using it to pirate indie games on android phones and other under powered systems since they're a lot easier to emulate. I'm also not actively going to go against emulating the Switch, but it's like really, you're doing that to pirate Indie games which are often very small teams just trying to make ends meat.

 

[Evaccaneer Doom]

True…

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

That is the main reason I don't actively support Switch emulation. A lot of people using it to pirate indie games on android phones and other under powered systems since they're a lot easier to emulate. I'm also not actively going to go against emulating the Switch, but it's like really, you're doing that to pirate Indie games which are often very small teams just trying to make ends meat.

Personally I don't emulate a console that is still being sold in store, that's my only limit.

Yes, I could, theoretically, if I wanted to, emulate even the Xbox One, Xbox Series, PS4 and even the PS5 to some extent but I wouldn't.

Even the 3DS is still fairly recent to me but I'm slowly starting to emulate games I can literally not get.

 

[Deleted member 257420]

Conglomerates are greedy what else is new?

 

[What's His Face]

That's better than "the customer is always right".

Uhg. That's where Karen's came from. Customers are NOT always right, and companies do NOT have to cater to their customers, too. But companies who don't make the attempt (aka "give them the pickle") tend to fail as the customers go elsewhere.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Uhg. That's where Karen's came from. Customers are NOT always right, and companies do NOT have to cater to their customers, too. But companies who don't make the attempt (aka "give them the pickle") tend to fail as the customers go elsewhere.

This quote is too often taken out of context:

The actual saying is: "the customer is always right in matters of taste".

 

[Goshikk]

YOU WILL PAY 80 DOLLARS FOR AN UNOPTIMIZED GAME THAT DOESN'T EVEN RUN ON A 5090 AND YOU WILL ENJOY NOT ACTUALLY OWNING IT

YOU FILTHY RAT

 

[Retro Doomer]

For Legal reasons I have to contemn that statement but on a personal opinion level

Sailing the seas is good for your health I suppose so join the navy earn your money and.....buy those games.
I do despise when I buy something and get forced to sign a contract or user agreement after I bought that cursed game and not before especially games you can't refund like on the ps3 and Ps4 if that is not a scam I do not know what is.
And of course when I buy something I assume to own the game its called buying for a reason and not renting we have a language and words for a reason and the words should mean what they mean and that also on a legal level so if I buy something I better fucking own the game I am not renting I am buying.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

But please, give money to indie devs if the game is good.

I mean if the game's bad I'd uninstall it too.

 

[Dyne]

Sharing is caring.
Selling something that is inherently able to be easily duplicated and then demanding nobody duplicates it to share is stupid.

 

[MrYesterday]

Sharing is caring.
Selling something that is inherently able to be easily duplicated and then demanding nobody duplicates it to share is stupid.

I respect GOG for demanding all games posted to their store to be DRM-free

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But please, give money to indie devs if the game is good.

I mean if the game's bad I'd uninstall it too.

True dat, though. (most) Popular indie devs deserve all praise they get

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I respect GOG for demanding all games posted to their store to be DRM-free.

I like sharing some to close relatives but not to random people online.

I'll steal that meme.

True dat, though. (most) Popular indie devs deserve all praise they get.

If the game is good obviously. If I don't like it I could delete the game anytime.

So far I've only pirated Deadlight, World of Goo and Rogue Legacy but at the end I've bought the first two and deleted the last because I didn't like it that much.

 

[nathman]