Non-Gaming Hot Takes

[fake-kun]

You're entitled to your reactions of course, but sometimes it's better to ignore posts that one disagrees with, instead of being confrontative, because it usually just leads to threads derailing which makes it harder for everyone who wants to talk about the topic at hand.

Besides, both your and miguk's post were anecdotal, which never really matters in the long run as far as evidence goes. Miguk's post was infinitely more judgmental, though.

Again, I don't even think you're wrong, but lashing out with off-topic hostility isn't productive for the thread.

You're right. I've been really upset the last few days, not that excuses my attitude, of course. I think I need to relax a bit and stop doomscrolling so much.

 

[Ikagura]

Basketball > All other ball sports

I'll get bold and say that I prefer "ball-less" sports since you can do exercises without requiring a special tool nor terrain.

 

[Tonberry]

I'll get bold and say that I prefer "ball-less" sports since you can do exercises without requiring a special tool nor terrain.

Like what? I'm asking because I have a really hard time thinking of any that aren't a martial art that still requires some sort of "tool" haha

Oh, and I mainly meant from the pov of a spectator, not actually playing the sport.

(I'm sorry that my grammar is worsening by the post, I'm tired lol)

 

[Ikagura]

Like what? I'm asking because I have a really hard time thinking of any that aren't a martial art that still requires some sort of "tool" haha

Push-ups? Running?

 

[Tonberry]

Push-ups? Running?

True. I'd probably call those forms of exercise more than sports (especially push-ups), but fair enough! As you can see by my avatar, I'm not exactly a master at push-ups.

 

[NobodyHere]

True. I'd probably call those forms of exercise more than sports (especially push-ups), but fair enough! As you can see by my avatar, I'm not exactly a master at push-ups.

Doing even just a little yoga can be good for you, talking about the benefits it can reduce inflammation, help with lower back pain, improve flexibility and strength .

 

[Tonberry]

Doing even just a little yoga can be good for you, talking about the benefits it can reduce inflammation, help with lower back pain, improve flexibility and strength .

Oh don't worry about me. I'm in fact not an obese suit of armour in real life. My favorite methods of exercise are walking, biking and swimming.
I'm far from fit though ?

 

[MasterEn]

There are lots of instances where religious imagery is more than "it looks cool". Sometimes it's not, but it's not like it's never there. Final Fantasy 7, for example, is chock full of gnostic allusions (among others) throughout the whole thing, interwoven into the whole narrative.


Ah okay! I was more just referring to the fact that there is an actual epilogue. If you don't beat Sephiroth the planet's done for, so it's still very much a part of the final act.

yeah, but it feels like its outweighed by the other instances of 'its just there because we like it. ff2 does the heaven and hell stuff better.
while i didn't beat 7, i did watch that movie recap that was included in advent children, so i do know the general gist of it.

 

[NobodyHere]

Oh don't worry about me. I'm in fact not an obese suit of armour in real life. My favorite methods of exercise are walking, biking and swimming.
I'm far from fit though ?

Didn’t actually think you were, just an suggestion of something you could easily do

 

[Somnia]

it is literally "it looks cool." that's why evangelion has all of the Christian imagery in it. they thought it was cool. in an interview, staff members said if they knew what impact that would have, they would have completely avoided that stuff.
there's no deep meaning to it. just: "that looks cool, let's add that in."

Doesn't really matter thanks to death of the author and all that. No amount of authorial intent will stop me from feeling and reacting to something in the way I do, especially if I only understand the authorial intent in-full after consuming the media itself.

Also, your friend wasn't entirely correct on Safer Sephiroth. There are plenty of materia and items that can help you overcome the 5-10 level disparity you had. Not that it matters much at this point lol

 

[miguk]

It's funny that you bring up your personal experience to spout this crap because I have interacted with people with Cluster B personality disorders as well. Most of them had history of being abused that directly led to their disorders. They also never did anything you said they're supposed to do. In fact, you wouldn't be able to tell with many of them they have a disorder because they learned to mask so well.

Also, some criminals having a Cluster B personality disorders doesn't mean shit.

Okay, you're taking this way too personally. Sit down, have a sip of tea, light a nice candle/incense, and remember we're talking about writing fiction, not you or people you know.

I didn't say "supposed", I said that those things happen. Yes, not everyone is a monolith and you can find ASPDs who become surgeons so they can cut people's hearts out and get praised for it because they put a pacemaker in its place. Yes, there are "narcissists" (in the colloquial sense) who just vogue in a mirror (that's not NPD, though, unless it is somehow harmful). And so on. (And note, in case this is what you're getting hung up about, autistic people do not have CBPD. That's a common misdiagnosis by amateurs and self-diagnosing people that is more harmful to autistic people than useful.)

But those are exceptions. The people you know are not a statistical sample. The people you know in any situation, any context, any discussion of any topic are never a statistical sample. Not unless you have literally thousand of friends, which hardly anyone does.

"Some criminals" is not what I was talking about. Serial killers (not including mass shooters, which are different) very frequently show the symptoms of ASPD (often being diagnosed after being caught), and often with comorbid NPD and/or HPD. There are some exceptions (the "Son of Sam" had schizophrenia, which is an uncommon case), but it's more common than not. So when fiction writers decide that their serial killer character has ASPD or some other CBPD, they are at least getting something accurate about how such a character often is IRL. And remember, I'm not saying all people with CBPD are serial killers; I'm saying serial killers usually have CBPD. That should make logical sense.

 

[Tonberry]

Didn’t actually think you were, just an suggestion of something you could easily do

Wait, you're NOT the spirit of a little boy in a suit of armor?!

 

[fake-kun]

Okay, you're taking this way too personally. Sit down, have a sip of tea, light a nice candle/incense, and remember we're talking about writing fiction, not you or people you know.

I didn't say "supposed", I said that those things happen. Yes, not everyone is a monolith and you can find ASPDs who become surgeons so they can cut people's hearts out and get praised for it because they put a pacemaker in its place. Yes, there are "narcissists" (in the colloquial sense) who just vogue in a mirror (that's not NPD, though, unless it is somehow harmful). And so on. (And note, in case this is what you're getting hung up about, autistic people do not have CBPD. That's a common misdiagnosis by amateurs and self-diagnosing people that is more harmful to autistic people than useful.)

But those are exceptions. The people you know are not a statistical sample. The people you know in any situation, any context, any discussion of any topic are never a statistical sample. Not unless you have literally thousand of friends, which hardly anyone does.

"Some criminals" is not what I was talking about. Serial killers (not including mass shooters, which are different) very frequently show the symptoms of ASPD (often being diagnosed after being caught), and often with comorbid NPD and/or HPD. There are some exceptions (the "Son of Sam" had schizophrenia, which is an uncommon case), but it's more common than not. So when fiction writers decide that their serial killer character has ASPD or some other CBPD, they are at least getting something accurate about how such a character often is IRL. And remember, I'm not saying all people with CBPD are serial killers; I'm saying serial killers usually have CBPD. That should make logical sense.

If you want me to calm down, stop talking to me about this topic. I'm serious.

 

[MasterEn]

Doesn't really matter thanks to death of the author and all that. No amount of authorial intent will stop me from feeling and reacting to something in the way I do, especially if I only understand the authorial intent in-full after consuming the media itself.

Also, your friend wasn't entirely correct on Safer Sephiroth. There are plenty of materia and items that can help you overcome the 5-10 level disparity you had. Not that it matters much at this point lol

have you heard about what happened to hideaki anno during evangelion's original run? it adds a lot of context to the visuals in evangelion. the "looks cool" thing is what production staff members said. i don't recall if anno was ever interviewed around that time about eva.
i sucked at the game. i think yuffie took most of my stuff while i was recruiting her. i didn't know about the side quests and somehow, i failed most of the ones that i did find. it wouldn't have help to find the extra material.

 

[miguk]

You're entitled to your reactions of course, but sometimes it's better to ignore posts that one disagrees with, instead of being confrontative, because it usually just leads to threads derailing which makes it harder for everyone who wants to talk about the topic at hand.

Besides, both your and miguk's post were anecdotal, which never really matters in the long run as far as evidence goes. Miguk's post was infinitely more judgmental, though.

Again, I don't even think you're wrong, but lashing out with off-topic hostility isn't productive for the thread.

Okay, I was going to just ignore you for what you're doing, but this is the second time you've done it, with the second problem this thread had.

You are not helping, and you do not know how to do it right. And you are making things worse.

Each time you've tried to "moderate", you've placed the blame on me. You haven't been objective; you've just looked at the fact that I was talking about a subject which involved art critique (not even critique of people) and someone reacting emotionally to it, and you decided I'm to blame. That is not how moderation works.

Just stop. You're not the moderator here, and you aren't doing anything that earns the position. You're just egging on people who are already in an emotional state and making it worse.

 

[Somnia]

have you heard about what happened to hideaki anno during evangelion's original run? it adds a lot of context to the visuals in evangelion. the "looks cool" thing is what production staff members said. i don't recall if anno was ever interviewed around that time about eva.
i sucked at the game. i think yuffie took most of my stuff while i was recruiting her. i didn't know about the side quests and somehow, i failed most of the ones that i did find. it wouldn't have help to find the extra material.

Yea I love NGE so I've scoured the internet for years and years for every morsel of info I can get my hands on. Still can't view the religious stuff as simply "cool window dressing" because no matter how many rewatches I commit to it just never registers as that vapid to me.

For FF7, you may have been surprised! A couple hero drinks, the Big Guard and White Wind skills and more would all have fixed any issues you'd have been having on their own, let alone if you combined any of them together in a run. FF7 is kind of wild because it is probably the single best example of a game that just lets players become ludicrously overpowered at almost all stages of the game for minimal effort so long as you understand the mechanics or get a couple good tips from someone in the know. I love it for that, feels like everytime I replay it I find some new way to break it apart either through a simple materia combination or an elaborate strategy to get something early. Obviously, it's a hefty commitment to replay, but if you ever do, I'd be down to throw a couple quick tips your way to make the game fairly smooth sailing with minimal effort.

 

[MasterEn]

To be honest I think that VII suffers from some filler-ish moments around.

I also think that JENOVA has been underused. She was shown as the major antagonist and the one responsible to everything that happened in the game yet you just defeat her several times as a normal boss despite the cool theme...

The thread she represents is kinda lessened by how Sephiroth and Shinra basically just used her as a tool.

Same with how Yevon is the true antagonist of X yet it's a miserable tick like parasite.

7 had a very troubled development.
started off as an snes game
you were a detective; cloud, tifa, aerith and barret were criminals [at least at the start, they might have joined you later]
jumped to the n64, cancelled
jumped to the psx one and a half years into development.
zack was accidently created after someone mastered the power of the color of yellow. [yellow is apparently the absolutely hardest color for computers to render, apparently. that's why tidus is blonde and why terra and the onion knight in dissidia are blonde too.]
this is why disc 1 feels the best and most content filled. it's the only part that they were able to fully work on.
i forget half the time that jenova is a thing. i do remember the theme being good.
not sure what you mean by "thread she represents".
yeah, i don't know what happened there. my best guess is that him being a bug is supposed to represent him losing all humanity and becoming some far less than human.

 

[miguk]

Side note: I'm putting some of you on ignore and just leaving this thread. This forum is too hostile to handle this thread topic in a mature and academic manner. And honestly, I worry about how other threads will turn out. It's a sad state of affairs that people here can derail everything by just screaming at someone just for participating normally until another unrelated person comes in and also screams at them until they are forced to go away. It's things like this that ruin forums like this.

 

[MasterEn]

Yea I love NGE so I've scoured the internet for years and years for every morsel of info I can get my hands on. Still can't view the religious stuff as simply "cool window dressing" because no matter how many rewatches I commit to it just never registers as that vapid to me.

For FF7, you may have been surprised! A couple hero drinks, the Big Guard and White Wind skills and more would all have fixed any issues you'd have been having on their own, let alone if you combined any of them together in a run. FF7 is kind of wild because it is probably the single best example of a game that just lets players become ludicrously overpowered at almost all stages of the game for minimal effort so long as you understand the mechanics or get a couple good tips from someone in the know. I love it for that, feels like everytime I replay it I find some new way to break it apart either through a simple materia combination or an elaborate strategy to get something early. Obviously, it's a hefty commitment to replay, but if you ever do, I'd be down to throw a couple quick tips your way to make the game fairly smooth sailing with minimal effort.

i don't know if you seen this video but it goes over a lot of eva stuff and anno himself. it's long but very good.

i know you mean well, but this would have never convinced younger me. i played ff4 on the psx, and they apparently nerfed buff spells so much i was convinced that they did nothing whatsoever. about a decade later when i was playing ff12 did i see them being useful and i learned that i started off with an intentionally hard ff game. i still a hve this mentality and i have to remind myself to use that stuff in other games.
i don't have my save file for ff7 any more, but i plan on using guides if i ever get back to 7. i do want to play through the demake version of the game that i found on cdromance. it looked crazy.

 

[Tonberry]

Okay, I was going to just ignore you for what you're doing, but this is the second time you've done it, with the second problem this thread had.

You are not helping, and you do not know how to do it right. And you are making things worse.

Each time you've tried to "moderate", you've placed the blame on me. You haven't been objective; you've just looked at the fact that I was talking about a subject which involved art critique (not even critique of people) and someone reacting emotionally to it, and you decided I'm to blame. That is not how moderation works.

Just stop. You're not the moderator here, and you aren't doing anything that earns the position. You're just egging on people who are already in an emotional state and making it worse.

I think you're arguing in bad faith and are guilty of the same things you're accusing others for in your posts (but for some reason it doesn't apply to you) and are inserting yourself into conversations with an authorative air that makes it easier for you to appear rational when people react "emotionally" to your generalizing and condescending tone, because every time you've done this for the past few days, it's escalated into you threatning to report people because they ultimately don't agree with your interpretation of something.

That's not how arguing or discussing works. You don't get to be all matter-of-fact, then react like everyone's wrong when they're doing similar things. If anything, it reads like you're trying to bait reactions out of people so that you can "shut them down" most of the time.

Just in this very conversation (just like the zoomer one last week, and the South Park one yesterday) you used generalizations, got called out on it, then acted like only the ones you discussed with did. In fact, in this conversation, regardless of fake being hostile, instead of trying to hold a dialogue, you dig yourself deeper by using generalizations and anectodal evidence about a group of people. Fake did the same thing, after your reply. You even claim yourself that;
"But those are exceptions. The people you know are not a statistical sample. The people you know in any situation, any context, any discussion of any topic are never a statistical sample. Not unless you have literally thousand of friends, which hardly anyone does."

But this somehow doesn't apply to you? Someone challenges your claims, and then suddenly they're the ones who were hostile the entire time, and you leave the conversation.

You don't need to be 100% pragmatic the whole time, not everyone is at the same intellectual/emotional level as others in forums, so stop trying to force everyone to your standard.

Also, I don't see how I ever "screamed" at you. I told fake to calm down, and yesterday I told you to calm down because you were throwing threats around and being increasingly liberal with what constitutes an insult, while Lee was as normal as can be, they just disagreed with you on a cartoon. Both you were risking derailing the thread by continuing. I just stepped in and said that you're going off-topic. That's not "moderating", that's wanting the thread to be healthy.

 

[Somnia]

To be honest I think that VII suffers from some filler-ish moments around.

I also think that JENOVA has been underused. She was shown as the major antagonist and the one responsible to everything that happened in the game yet you just defeat her several times as a normal boss despite the cool theme...

The thread she represents is kinda lessened by how Sephiroth and Shinra basically just used her as a tool.

Same with how Yevon is the true antagonist of X yet it's a miserable tick like parasite.

Within the context of the story Jenova's lessened power and overall relevance makes sense. Her existence as a main player happens before the game, so prequel material would be counted on to really explore her more.

As for Yevon, that existence is kind of the point, right down to the form itself. He's a shell of a man who gave up his humanity in that selfish attempt to create an unending Zanarkand, detached from outside interference. He has become nothing more than an insect, a parasite to the living world, his false religion and useless cycle of death serving only to perpetuate his desired dream Zanarkand. A tick also requires a host to live, on its own it is simply an annoyance that is hard to get rid of but rarely dangerous when not infecting a host. This is true of Yevon and the requirement of the final aeon in order to sustain himself. In the end the source of all the suffering wasn't so much the people at the top of the system of abuse. Rather, the problem was the system itself merely being propped up by society at large. In this way you can very easily draw parallels between various real life struggles that humanity faces and the causes of those struggles. Many are caused by powerful and corrupt systems that feel insurmountable despite the people at the top benefitting/perpetuating these systems being just as fragile and insignificant as anyone else is on their own.

I get that it can be seen as overly symbolic, but I think as a final encounter it works far better thematically than yet another climactic fight. Square was pretty good at weaving thematics into fights throughout their RPGs in the 90s and 00s, and I do think that was another example of them getting it right.

 

[Tonberry]

As for Yevon,

I was gonna type something similar to that paragraph, but you worded it better.
Man, Final Fantasy 10 is such a masterpiece.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Try struggling with being neurodivergent and we'll see how calm and nice you'll be.

There was enough hostility yesterday, if you can't take talking to people you can change thread, you can have you own opinion just like everyone else

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I was gonna type something similar to that paragraph, but you worded it better.
Man, Final Fantasy 10 is such a masterpiece.

I bet that one clip of the main character laughing gets funnier every time

 

[Tonberry]

Potato > Pasta > Rice > Couscous > Bulgur

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Potato > Pasta > Rice > Couscous > Bulgur

As an italian appreciate you putting pasta over rice, however it wasn't number 1 so I'm afraid I'm gonna have to take your thumbs