Non-Gaming Hot Takes

[Ikagura]

Bad wording, I was meaning more of to point towards the same point of commentaries. What I ment by Dipper being the mc, is him influences how the show frames Wendy, not wanting to break the fantasy. It would have been real nice to have an episode to humanize her more, maybe after the underground bunker episode, that could make a good turning point.

Yeah...

On the other hand when I think about it I've become a bit tired of Deeper always being anxious when things don't go well as if he needed to have control over everything possible.

I'm not psychologist but isn't that a borderline sociopathic behaviour?

 

[miguk]

They always pushed the envelope on what's allowed to be joked about on tv and were never afraid of anyone, they were even the only ones who dared to directly make fun of scientology

saying "people were too young and dumb to get it's bad" is old man yelling at cloud beheaviour, I actually ended up liking it way more as an adult

They were basically repeating humor that had been done in the 80s and even the 90s. Sam Kinneson, the Farrelly Bros, the Wayans Bros, and numerous 80s comedies and stand-up comedians had done it before. Even Colin Quinn beat them to it (although I can understand if nobody recognizes him as a comedian, as he barely knows how to make or perform a joke). They only seemed to push the envelope because they were being "politically incorrect" (ironic euphemism there) during a time when everyone else was backing off from that type of humor. And there was a good reason for that.

Yes, the Scientology episode was okay. Broken clock situation and exception that proves the rule.

I didn't say dumb, I said "inexperienced with the topics". That is very common with young audiences and you should be able to understand why. That's not old man behavior; that's stating "kids are not adults." (And note that they deliberately targeted kids as an audience; they even sold child-sized t-shirts.) And much of their audience, from those I've met, still don't get the topics discussed beyond what they get from South Park and other Comedy Central shows. They're so heavily bubbled that they can't even see the strawmanning as something bad (when that's a fiction writing 101 mistake).

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I don't understand what this means.

It's a reference to this

it was what the director's art teacher said about the movie, and he never got what it meant

 

[MasterEn]

Yeah...

On the other hand when I think about it I've become a bit tired of Deeper always being anxious when things don't go well as if he needed to have control over everything possible.

I'm not psychologist but isn't that a borderline sociopathic behaviour?

probably. i don't recall the def of sociopathic at the moment. but it's not a unique trait to them alone. the whole plot of sonic and the black knight happens because merlina doesn't want the horrible future that she saw coming to happen. she tried to freeze time like ultimeica so that things wouldn't change. she tried to exert control over something that she shouldn't have. but she had help from sonic and learned to let go and accept things as they are.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

They were basically repeating humor that had been done in the 80s and even the 90s. Sam Kinneson, the Farrelly Bros, the Wayans Bros, and numerous 80s comedies and stand-up comedians had done it before. Even Colin Quinn beat them to it (although I can understand if nobody recognizes him as a comedian, as he barely knows how to make or perform a joke). They only seemed to push the envelope because they were being "politically incorrect" (ironic euphemism there) during a time when everyone else was backing off from that type of humor. And there was a good reason for that.

Yes, the Scientology episode was okay. Broken clock situation and exception that proves the rule.

I didn't say dumb, I said "inexperienced with the topics". That is very common with young audiences and you should be able to understand why. That's not old man behavior; that's stating "kids are not adults." (And note that they deliberately targeted kids as an audience; they even sold child-sized t-shirts.) And much of their audience, from those I've met, still don't get the topics discussed beyond what they get from South Park and other Comedy Central shows. They're so heavily bubbled that they can't even see the strawmanning as something bad (when that's a fiction writing 101 mistake).

And it's still pushing the envelope, because almost everyone else backs away from the topics they make fun of and it still offends people who take themselves too seriously and makes the rest laugh
The people I've met love its satire

I was being hyperbolic with "dumb", saying "its just good cause they didnt know any better" is old man beheaviour if you ask me, and "the audience just doesnt get the topic" is smug behraviour

 

[Ikagura]

I'll say it but I would've watched more of South Park if it wasn't for its gratuitous use of toilet based humour and shenanigans.


Sorry but, when I watch a show on my computer, human waste material is probably the last thing I would like to see (especially when I'm having a meal in front).

On the other hand I liked some other jokes or references even if they forced a bit too much on gore.

South Park eventually became a parody of itself at some point.

probably. i don't recall the def of sociopathic at the moment. but it's not a unique trait to them alone. the whole plot of sonic and the black knight happens because merlina doesn't want the horrible future that she saw coming to happen. she tried to freeze time like ultimeica so that things wouldn't change. she tried to exert control over something that she shouldn't have. but she had help from sonic and learned to let go and accept things as they are.

Let's not spoil other games even if they're old.

But while I understand that Dipper is young (and emotionally immature) he kinda gets annoying when he acts worried when something happens despite that the thing will quickly get resolved.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Yeah...

On the other hand when I think about it I've become a bit tired of Deeper always being anxious when things don't go well as if he needed to have control over everything possible.

I'm not psychologist but isn't that a borderline sociopathic behaviour?

That's just being an insecure anxious kid haha

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it's from a scene in family guy where the griffins lock themselves up in a safe room when some intruders break in. the water sprinklers turn on and they are nearly about to drown when peter says that he doesn't like a movie. i don't remember which one, but he says "it insists upon itself" as his reason why.

It's a great nothing criticism to sound smart

 

[fake-kun]

Yeah...

On the other hand when I think about it I've become a bit tired of Deeper always being anxious when things don't go well as if he needed to have control over everything possible.

I'm not psychologist but isn't that a borderline sociopathic behaviour?

Please stop using words like "sociopathic" to describe any behavior you disagree with.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

on a fixed-pixel display, any resolution other than the monitor's native one will look bad.

That's just a fact

 

[Jeanfranc]

Still remember the 7th and early 8th generations where people tried to say wild stuff like 30 vs 60 wasn't noticeable. There were also the odd few ducks who would swear that the human eye could barely see 60fps. Odd times to be sure.

These are the same people that got brainwashed into thinking that LCDs where better than CRTs and allowed them to be replaced.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Hell I can't tell the difference unless you put them side by side. On that note, I hate when gamers lose their shit over a game nOt bEiNg A sTaBle 60 fPs. Dude, look me deep in the eyes and repeat: You aren't gonna notice!

I notice, I miss when it was the norm

 

[MasterEn]

I'll say it but I would've watched more of South Park if it wasn't for its gratuitous use of toilet based humour and shenanigans.


Sorry but, when I watch a show on my computer, human waste material is probably the last thing I would like to see (especially when I'm having a meal in front).

On the other hand I liked some other jokes or references even if they forced a bit too much on gore.

South Park eventually became a parody of itself at some point.


Let's not spoil other games even if they're old.

But while I understand that Dipper is young (and emotionally immature) he kinda gets annoying when he acts worried when something happens despite that the thing will quickly get resolved.

i forgot that people might not be familiar with the game's story.
that should be something that gets resolved over the show. learning to not be so nervous about everything.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

These are the same people that got brainwashed into thinking that LCDs where better than CRTs and allowed them to be replaced.

dont remind me

 

[Ikagura]

That's just being an insecure anxious kid haha

Maybe it's me but I don't like that character trait.

No, not because I was also kinda one but I think it's because that gets a bit too old after a while.

Finn and other male protagonists in cartoons had their moment but their entire personality wasn't gravitating around it. Even Wirt from Over the Garden Wall that isn't far from Dipper still had some composure.

Please stop using words like "sociopathic" to describe any behaviour you disagree with.

Why? I mean Dipper literally went to ask out Wendy after she dumped Robbie right when he managed to prove he used his song to put a subliminal message to love him. It's quite an opportunistic way to act instead of understanding that after a breakup someone may not be feeling good yet. There's no issue calling it out.

I think he is fine but a bit bad at being social and while the vacations helped him to know what's acceptable he still did things that aren't really ok to do.

At least he learned from it I hope.

 

[fake-kun]

Maybe it's me but I don't like that character trait.

No, not because I was also kinda one but I think it's because that gets a bit too old after a while.

Finn and other male protagonists in cartoons had their moment but their entire personality wasn't gravitating around it. Even Wirt from Over the Garden Wall that isn't far from Dipper still had some composure.


Why? I mean Dipper literally went to ask out Wendy after she dumped Robbie right when he managed to prove he used his song to put a subliminal message to love him. It's quite an opportunistic way to act instead of understanding that after a breakup someone may not be feeling good yet. There's no issue calling it out.

I think he is fine but a bit bad at being social and while the vacations helped him to know what's acceptable he still did things that aren't really ok to do.

At least he learned from it I hope.

Being an insensitive asshole is not limited to "sociopaths." Just call it what it is instead of throwing neurodivergent people under a bus.

Also, "sociopathy" and its related term "psychopathy" are just different names for the Antisocial Personality Disorder, FYI.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I agree, aside her being from a lumber-jack family she has little to nothing making her original. I wish she was more on the tomboy side but that's it. There were other redhead character before in cartoons so even that isn't original.

I don't know if it's controversial but somehow if the genders were reversed (while the younger would still be the one crushing on the older) people online would've debated on the problematic nature of that relationship even if it was strictly a one-way crush while the other would only see them as a friend.

Pacifica is really that interesting as an alternative choice btw?


Personally I still dislike edginess for the sake of appearing more mature (when in fact it's not mature at all). South Park had some interesting plot points but I feel that they're being provocative for the sake of it.

This summarises perfectly this concept

Someday I'll watch Taxi Drivers.

But I feel that Joker is basically a remake of Falling Down.


She's also in a complete Stockholm syndrome (of course her relationship with him is toxic but that's the entire point of the character). Arkham managed to modernise her original design instead of that punk looking girl with a bad chewing bubblegum that I don't like that much...

It's probably me but the idea of turning her lesbian with Ivy is like saying that lesbian women are just abused straight women when Poison Ivy isn't really that nice of a person either (yes, even if she's a victim).


I don't understand what this means.

Ppl on social media are very touchy about the reality of realtionships, let em complain, everything's problematic today

I TOTALLY shipped dippifica, she had again multiple episodes to show off her personality and they're nice together and got cute moments, it's a shame it didnt happen. It Would've been fun Dipper moving from attracting towards a person that was attractive but wouldve made for a terrible gf, vs the right girl for him and from a place he wasn't expecting

I think south park is anything but mature lol I love edgy crass and offensive stuff, ever since I was a kid

The eps of the cartoon show did a much much better job of giving her solo episodes. Well I dont think the show is saying that's Every gay woman, it's just a thing that can happen; still hate that they did that
Also making bruce's son into a spoiled sheltered kid who doesn't know people pay for housing was the laziest lamest joke you could make. I could've come up with that! And since when does harley know anything about housing??

 

[MasterEn]

Maybe it's me but I don't like that character trait.

No, not because I was also kinda one but I think it's because that gets a bit too old after a while.

Finn and other male protagonists in cartoons had their moment but their entire personality wasn't gravitating around it. Even Wirt from Over the Garden Wall that isn't far from Dipper still had some composure.


Why? I mean Dipper literally went to ask out Wendy after she dumped Robbie right when he managed to prove he used his song to put a subliminal message to love him. It's quite an opportunistic way to act instead of understanding that after a breakup someone may not be feeling good yet. There's no issue calling it out.

I think he is fine but a bit bad at being social and while the vacations helped him to know what's acceptable he still did things that aren't really ok to do.

At least he learned from it I hope.

i would say that this dipper kid was just being a selfish twerp. he saw some cheeks that he wanted, and it didn't matter how he got her; just that he did. if he cared, he'd just either be there for her, or give her some space; not using song alchemy to whip up an auditory love potion.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Maybe it's me but I don't like that character trait.

No, not because I was also kinda one but I think it's because that gets a bit too old after a while.

Finn and other male protagonists in cartoons had their moment but their entire personality wasn't gravitating around it. Even Wirt from Over the Garden Wall that isn't far from Dipper still had some composure.


Why? I mean Dipper literally went to ask out Wendy after she dumped Robbie right when he managed to prove he used his song to put a subliminal message to love him. It's quite an opportunistic way to act instead of understanding that after a breakup someone may not be feeling good yet. There's no issue calling it out.

I think he is fine but a bit bad at being social and while the vacations helped him to know what's acceptable he still did things that aren't really ok to do.

At least he learned from it I hope.

Thats just how young men act bro lol, when you're desperate and insecure, you see a woman you want breaking up with her bf like a free parking spot: "This is my chance!"

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Also, "sociopathy" and its related term "psychopathy" are just different names for the Antisocial Personality Disorder, FYI.

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Maybe it's me but I don't like that character trait.

No, not because I was also kinda one but I think it's because that gets a bit too old after a while.

I'll give you that, LA writers have a raging hard-on for "anxious scrawny twerp boy" characters

 

[Ikagura]

Being an insensitive asshole is not limited to "sociopaths." Just call it what it is instead of throwing neurodivergent people under a bus.

Also, "sociopathy" and its related term "psychopathy" are just different names for the Antisocial Personality Disorder, FYI.

Hey, I just said borderline sociopathic behaviour not that he was one, no need to overreact. I didn't even intent to throw neurodivergent people under a bus either since I'm talking about a cartoon character. Personality disorder is quite a broad term I think.

Ppl on social media are very touchy about the reality of realtionships, let em complain, everything's problematic today

People on social media would even call a non-abusive relationship between two consenting adults for various reasons yeah...

I still remember one telling that if one character is like way older (from not being human) technically they'd be dating someone who's basically too young even if they're adult.

I TOTALLY shipped dippifica, she had again multiple episodes to show off her personality and they're nice together and got cute moments, it's a shame it didn't happen. It Would've been fun Dipper moving from attracting towards a person that was attractive but would've made for a terrible gf, vs the right girl for him and from a place he wasn't expecting.

My personal issue with her is how she's acting like an entitled rich child so she could dump him anytime she gets bored. Of course she had some development but usually her parents would've been a big obstacle.

And honestly not every cartoons should end with the male protag explicitly getting in couple with one of the female character, he could have the love of his life later back at home.

I think south park is anything but mature lol I love edgy crass and offensive stuff, ever since I was a kid.

I admit that I've secretly watched some episodes because of the forbidden aspect but as I grew up I found that it would get a bit old to see crass humour again and again.

The eps of the cartoon show did a much much better job of giving ehr solom episodes. Well I dont think the show is saying that's Every gay woman, it's just a thing that can happen; still hate that they did that
Also making bruce's son into a spoiled sheltered kid who doesn't know people pay for housing was the laziest lamest joke you could make. I could've come up with that! And since when does harley know anything about housing??

I didn't see the show but I didn't think of Bruce getting a kid haha.

On the other hand I feel that people calling Batman problematic because he's a rich guy punching criminals that may be there because of poverty is just misunderstanding Batman himself (and assuming every criminals are only criminals because society pushed them into crime).

I'll give you that, LA writers have a raging hard-on for "anxious scrawny twerp boy" characters
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Why are they reusing the same character design as him?

 

[fake-kun]

Hey, I just said borderline sociopathic behaviour not that he was one, no need to overreact. I didn't even intent to throw neurodivergent people under a bus either since I'm talking about a cartoon character. Personality disorder is quite a broad term I think.

I don't have the energy to explain my reaction fully, so I'll say this:

By using a word for people with certain neurodivergent condition for people simply being assholes, you're implying that having said neurodivergent condition and being an asshole are intrinsically related.

 

[NobodyHere]

Hey, I just said borderline sociopathic behaviour not that he was one, no need to overreact. I didn't even intent to throw neurodivergent people under a bus either since I'm talking about a cartoon character. Personality disorder is quite a broad term I think.


People on social media would even call a non-abusive relationship between two consenting adults for various reasons yeah...

I still remember one telling that if one character is like way older (from not being human) technically they'd be dating someone who's basically too young even if they're adult.


My personal issue with her is how she's acting like an entitled rich child so she could dump him anytime she gets bored. Of course she had some development but usually her parents would've been a big obstacle.

I think it’s easy to forget the characters are children going through puberty; Children are dumb, uncomfortable in their own body, bad with emotions, impulsive, and such. Also I’m guessing Dipper had a bit of an anxiety disorder and something else (not in an insulting way, just to clarify)

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I don't have the energy to explain my reaction fully, so I'll say this:

By using a word for people with certain neurodivergent condition for people simply being assholes, you're implying that having said neurodivergent condition and being an asshole are intrinsically related.

Yeah it was harsh for just being dipper but I don't think he means it literally, it's like when people say "he's crazy"

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I think it’s easy to forget the characters are children going through puberty; Children are dumb, uncomfortable in their own body, bad with emotions, impulsive, and such. Also I’m guessing Dipper had a bit of an anxiety disorder and something else (not in an insulting way, just to clarify)

When I was 12 I broke stuff for non reason

 

[fake-kun]

Yeah it was harsh for just being dipper but I don't think he means it literally, it's like when people say "he's crazy"

Y'know, I want to say something about this, but I know that if I do, people will just further accuse me of being oversensitive. So I will say nothing at all.

 

[MasterEn]

Why are they reusing the same character design as him?
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hollywood people are lazy.

 

[Ikagura]

I don't have the energy to explain my reaction fully, so I'll say this:

By using a word for people with certain neurodivergent condition for people simply being assholes, you're implying that having said neurodivergent condition and being an asshole are intrinsically related.

Okay I don't want to argue here but I said behaviour not that he was one.

I'd also say that having a condition doesn't make someone immune nor excuses everything either.

Maybe I should've said that he's just antisocial.

Yeah it was harsh for just being dipper but I don't think he means it literally, it's like when people say "he's crazy"

Even the the word "idiot" was the term of a medical condition.


Anyway, I'm glad the show didn't last long enough so that they got flanderized.

hollywood people are lazy.

Modern Pixar has lost its magic as well.

PS: Maybe I'm over-analysing things but I feel that male protagonists in modern cartoons are almost always nerdy and not really the courageous type compared to decades prior (while we got more confident female protagonists around). I know that there's always a shift of popularity in archetypes but a nice balance could be good to see. Same with fathers being either absent or completely clumsy/immature that we got since the Simpsons.