Non-Gaming Hot Takes

[Tonberry]

I feel that some people want something to get dark and more serious to not feel ashamed from loving it as adults.

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[Bakuma1997]

I don't know if it's a hot one but you don't need alcohol drinks nor drinking alchoholic beverages at parties to make them fun. If someone is getting pushy I'll call it a red flag and if someone thinks that a party gets only fun when drinking gets involved they should reconsider their life choice (or the kind of party they're attending).


Next I'll say that not everything in life needs a mature and dark reinterpretation to feel more adult, some series can still be family friendly while having some depth or implied mature themes (while still being watchable by kids). I feel that some people want something to get dark and more serious to not feel ashamed from loving it as adults.

!) Agree, if the party lack an dry alternative, i drop it

2) Bluey is proof of that, has dealt with Infertility ( T-T Aunt Brady) in subtle ways while keeping thw whismics of the show, and The Sign... the damn Sing Episode *Cries in Grown up*

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I really don't like Bojack Horseman, also its animation is terrible

 

[Ikagura]

!) Agree, if the party lack an dry alternative, i drop it.

Or even just water. Sodas are fine but not the best for thirst quenching.

I don't get the peer pressure about drinking alcohol, they should be aware of either car accidents, ethyl coma or even other inconvenience from getting drunk.
And maybe I'm being paranoid but a guy insisting on getting a female drunk would be anything but acceptable.

2) Bluey is proof of that, has dealt with Infertility ( T-T Aunt Brady) in subtle ways while keeping the whismics of the show, and The Sign... the damn Sing Episode *Cries in Grown up*

I don't know well that one (because it's quite recent) but yeah, even older family shows didn't pull their punches (especially in Japan seeing some of the 70's ones).

I think that people confuse looking mature and having actual mature themes.

"Adult" animated sitcoms trying so hard to appeal to the young adult with gratuitous violence and toilet humour makes me cringe a bit and they usually never dare getting serious (even when some shows like Rick and Morty tried it sometimes they suddenly reversed back to the crude and violent humour).

I blame Family Guy a bit for that trend

Maybe South Park as well but they were honest in the beginning about what they were about.

I really don't like Bojack Horseman, also its animation is terrible

It's a show I wish I got more involved but the art style prevented it...

Also why are there anthropomorphic animals yet having 0 sense about them being animals to begin with?

At least Zootopia had them having their characteristics but here it's just a random skin.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Or even just water. Sodas are fine but not the best for thirst quenching.

I don't get the peer pressure about drinking alcohol, they should be aware of either car accidents, ethyl coma or even other inconvenience from getting drunk.
And maybe I'm being paranoid but a guy insisting on getting a female drunk would be anything but acceptable.


I don't know well that one (because it's quite recent) but yeah, even older family shows didn't pull their punches (especially in Japan seeing some of the 70's ones).

I think that people confuse looking mature and having actual mature themes.

"Adult" animated sitcoms trying so hard to appeal to the young adult with gratuitous violence and toilet humour makes me cringe a bit and they usually never dare getting serious (even when some shows like Rick and Morty tried it sometimes they suddenly reversed back to the crude and violent humour).

I blame Family Guy a bit for that trend

Maybe South Park as well but they were honest in the beginning about what they were about.


It's a show I wish I got more involved but the art style prevented it...

Also why are there anthropomorphic animals yet having 0 sense about them being animals to begin with?

At least Zootopia had them having their characteristics but here it's just a random skin.

Diane is a real bitch and a horrible friend and girlfriend yet for a huge chunk of it it's like I'm supposed to side with her
Also the universe bends backwards to blame bojack for everything even when he wasnt at fault

Todd is a self richteous free loader slob yet it's always like he's the good guy

Characters straight up say how they feel instead of having normal conversations and letting you pick up on it, Diane straight up says "theres no good guys or bad guys!" which is bs, she's often supposed to tbe the good guy, so is todd, so is princess caroline, so is that lesbian director, so is juda, etc..

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"Adult" animated sitcoms trying so hard to appeal to the young adult with gratuitous violence and toilet humour makes me cringe a bit and they usually never dare getting serious (even when some shows like Rick and Morty tried it sometimes they suddenly reversed back to the crude and violent humour).

I blame Family Guy a bit for that trend

Bob's burgers is a breath of fresh air

 

[MasterEn]

Or even just water. Sodas are fine but not the best for thirst quenching.

I don't get the peer pressure about drinking alcohol, they should be aware of either car accidents, ethyl coma or even other inconvenience from getting drunk.
And maybe I'm being paranoid but a guy insisting on getting a female drunk would be anything but acceptable.


I don't know well that one (because it's quite recent) but yeah, even older family shows didn't pull their punches (especially in Japan seeing some of the 70's ones).

I think that people confuse looking mature and having actual mature themes.

"Adult" animated sitcoms trying so hard to appeal to the young adult with gratuitous violence and toilet humour makes me cringe a bit and they usually never dare getting serious (even when some shows like Rick and Morty tried it sometimes they suddenly reversed back to the crude and violent humour).

I blame Family Guy a bit for that trend

Maybe South Park as well but they were honest in the beginning about what they were about.

some people want to fit in and belong to a group; no matter what the cost.
yeah, it is not acceptable for one person to get another drunk, regardless of gender. fortunately, guys aren't buying many drinks at the bar nowadays.
"I think that people confuse looking mature and having actual mature themes."
that summarizes the issue perfectly. violence, cursing and sex are considered mature; mostly because you have to be an adult before it is socially acceptable to engage in those acts. you aren't mature by just doing those things at complete random and without meaning.

 

[SwordBreaker39]

non gaming hot takes.
Humanity is a mistake
Humans teach history in school but NEVER learn from it.
I hate to say this but people need to quot caring what others thing of them because 99% of the time no one gives a shit about. So don´t worry how you look or behave or think or say.

 

[mana]

Bidet + soap is vastly superior to tissue paper and it must be installed in every household.
Taking public transpo is better than driving most of the time.
Limpbizkit is overhated. (It's understandable to hate Fred tho)

 

[cjl8336]

This whole deconstruction/hyperanalysis tendency we see today about everything strikes me sometimes as a desperate attempt at validating particular viewpoints.

I'm not saying there isn't good faith in these kinds of mental exercises, but it is probably impossible to perform this free of bias and with entirely objective judgement.

If you take things at face value you are often branded a fool, or lacking in intellect by most, but this is becoming a sort of lost talent in our species - allowing ourselves the luxury of having a shred of innocence again.

Sometimes things are what they are, and people do mean what they mean, without subtext. I say this as someone that agonizes entirely too much squinting over this very thing, trying to find hidden meanings, to find the deep truth, but sometimes there isn't any.

I would say the deconstruction thing with certain media is due to the immediate accessibility and replayability of TV shows for example - when a show was first broadcast on TV, you had to wait a week at least for the next episode, and you would have likely forgotten minor details in that timespan. But watching a whole season of a show multiple times, you will eventually pick out minor details and inconsistencies. People often validate themselves through this media because it reflects their stated beliefs, and I think too many people try to live vicariously through fictional characters.

 

[Ikagura]

some people want to fit in and belong to a group; no matter what the cost.
yeah, it is not acceptable for one person to get another drunk, regardless of gender. fortunately, guys aren't buying many drinks at the bar nowadays.

Yeah, it's old fashioned. Even then a woman doesn't accept a random guy's drink because of what happened with products being poured into the cup which is horrible to do.

Wanting to fit is natural but people should accept boundaries and differences. If someone doesn't want to consume alcohol it's their choice. Some because of religious belief, some others because of health issue and even because they're not feeling it.

I find it a bit sad that some want to get drunk with cheap beer rather than appreciating the taste of a special brew. In a way canned beers are just glorified sodas with alcohol.

"I think that people confuse looking mature and having actual mature themes."
that summarizes the issue perfectly. violence, cursing and sex are considered mature; mostly because you have to be an adult before it is socially acceptable to engage in those acts. you aren't mature by just doing those things at complete random and without meaning.

Yet usually teenagers are already doing some of these (while systematically rejecting anything that may be associated with childhood which is a natural growth behaviour).

The late teen and college aged young adult view on maturity isn't the same as a 30-40~ years old father with a family.

Maybe it's just that adult animated sitcoms are aimed at young adults (who are still mos of the time still teens mentally speaking) so this is maybe why they tend to have the same, GTA-tier kind of maturity.

Also maybe because the general audience doesn't want to see "boring/mundane things" such as taking care of a child or working all day nor sad events like the passing of a family member or learning that the main character has a disease.

Watching shows is also to get some escapism so we tend to want things we cannot usually do (thus gratuitous violence as a relief maybe).

 

[MasterEn]

Yeah, it's old fashioned. Even then a woman doesn't accept a random guy's drink because of what happened with products being poured into the cup which is horrible to do.

Wanting to fit is natural but people should accept boundaries and differences. If someone doesn't want to consume alcohol it's their choice. Some because of religious belief, some others because of health issue and even because they're not feeling it.

I find it a bit sad that some want to get drunk with cheap beer rather than appreciating the taste of a special brew. In a way canned beers are just glorified sodas with alcohol.


Yet usually teenagers are already doing some of these (while systematically rejecting anything that may be associated with childhood which is a natural growth behaviour).

The late teen and college aged young adult view on maturity isn't the same as a 30-40~ years old father with a family.

Maybe it's just that adult animated sitcoms are aimed at young adults (who are still mos of the time still teens mentally speaking) so this is maybe why they tend to have the same, GTA-tier kind of maturity.

Also maybe because the general audience doesn't want to see "boring/mundane things" such as taking care of a child or working all day nor sad events like the passing of a family member or learning that the main character has a disease.

Watching shows is also to get some escapism so we tend to want things we cannot usually do (thus gratuitous violence as a relief maybe).

some people have boundaries taught out of them, through punishments by their parents or through social conditioning. you have to learn boundaries early on in life and stick to them.

yeah, being a teenager is weird. not a kid, not an adult. inbetween. and nature is there whispering in your ear every second of the day.

you got to aim at the largest demographic, and keep bringing viewers back. a lot of guys watched the very first ghost in the shell movie because of the vhs cover: motoko wearing sunglasses, holding a gun and appeared to be topless. lots of people love the moive and speak highly of it.
you have to have a hook to get potential viewers and customers.
violence.
sex.
comedy.
these work.
"It seems today, that all you see
Is violence in movies and sex on TV" - Lois Griffin
"it just works" - Todd Howard.

 

[miguk]

• South Park is objectively badly written. Each episode uses strawmanning, repetitive one-note jokes, and "from the mouth of babes" tropes — all of which are things you're taught not to do in writing because they reveal you can't make your point without lying and making weak appeals to emotions. This is obvious to anyone who has decent reading skills.
• Most celebrities who get cancelled had it coming for decades. Mel Gibson, Joss Whedon, and Anthony Kiedis had been acting like jerks in public since the 90s (if not earlier). Others weren't much better. They were only given the benefit of the doubt because society wasn't mature enough to admit that someone isn't a saint just because they entertain you well.
• There is a massive amount of hypocrisy in society about sexual morals, and we're collectively pretending that it's not happening. The most judgemental are also the most horny, and the sneakiest about it.
• Losing your temper because someone doesn't like your favorite media is one of the most immature thing an adult can do. That goes double if its a book, quadruple if you have an English/literature degree. Academics "put down" great books all the time with impunity because art criticism is necessary for art to be free from being propaganda.
• If you put sugar or milk in a cup of ceremony-grade matcha, you don't deserve green tea. Back to your cheap generic black tea, uncouth barbarian. (Note: It's fine in lower grades of green tea.)
• There should be more trains and buses, and less cars. If you've lived in a country where this is true, you'll miss it when you leave.

 

[medisinn]

perhaps financially disadvantageous but i wouldnt agree that it harms the quality of the product itself. i believe a lot people value the social experience of art too much that it affects their opinion of the artwork in and of itself. the value of art isnt tied to group speculation or shared anticipation but to the work as a creation. i dont think that not being able to talk to your friends about how you cant wait for the next episode makes it worse and in fact whenever i consume anything i like being as esoteric as possible so that its entirely my experience, so i actively try to avoid that anyways. at the very least objectively speaking i think theres merit in having your work provided in its entirety. having it all avaiable allows for deeper engagement with the story as a whole rather than breaking it up and potentially diluting its impact

I don't think it's true that the value of art is not tied to group speculation or shared anticipation, or rather I don't think art is entirely detached from it. The cultural reaction to a piece of art may not directly be involved in its legacy, but it will likely become attached to it. For example, when Game of Thrones was airing new episodes, there was a lot of speculation and anticipation about what was to come. I'd only watched the first several episodes, but I was frequently hearing about it from friends and co-workers. In fact, I had no interest in hearing about it and having things spoiled since I figured I'd watch it at some point, but it happened anyway. As the last season was airing and things started wrapping up in what certainly sounds like an unsatisfying way, that chatter became less and less throughout the season. If the last episodes were still well-received, the anticipation for the finale would have increased instead of decreasing. If someone were to watch the show now without having seen it, I don't think they'd have the same experience that someone getting into it ten years ago would have, because that social element wouldn't be there. If Game of Thrones came out nowadays on a streaming service with whole seasons premiered at once, I don't think it'd have the same cultural impact either.

I don't think there's anything wrong with avoiding the social element and watching a show or movie or playing a game with no feedback from others. It's just an optional component. Kind of like playing a largely single-player game once the servers for the optional multiplayer stuff are offline. I sometimes feel like I miss out because I rarely watch shows and generally don't play games when they first come out, so I'm missing out on that optional social component and being part of a community enjoying something while it is relevant.

Getting back to non-gaming hot takes, I think it's foolish as hell that someone who is either very wealthy or an expert in one field is given the benefit of the doubt that they are qualified to talk about other things. It seems inevitable given that the path to continued prosperity for a politician, content creator, athlete, actor, etc. is a platform accessible by the public, since they are public figures. Sure, this person has a following, and now they have a podcast, and talk about all sorts of things. Why are people listening to them? They are famous, so they have a clothing line, or sell supplements. Why does that mean that they know how to run a business and hire competent people to make quality products? Why should we be excited when some rich actor sells their liquor brand and makes even more money?

 

[Ikagura]

some people have boundaries taught out of them, through punishments by their parents or through social conditioning. you have to learn boundaries early on in life and stick to them.

yeah, being a teenager is weird. not a kid, not an adult. inbetween. and nature is there whispering in your ear every second of the day.

you got to aim at the largest demographic, and keep bringing viewers back. a lot of guys watched the very first ghost in the shell movie because of the vhs cover: motoko wearing sunglasses, holding a gun and appeared to be topless. lots of people love the moive and speak highly of it.
you have to have a hook to get potential viewers and customers.
violence.
sex.
comedy.
these work.
"It seems today, that all you see
Is violence in movies and sex on TV" - Lois Griffin
"it just works" - Todd Howard.

I'm maybe not the best to talk about education (since I'm not a parent) but I think that sadly a lot are letting their kid doing things without even checking if they're doing ok. That's how some end up saying yet to a friend handing a cigarette even barely in late middle school.

Some are still teens in their head despite being full grown (until they finally learn they no longer are but usually they get it the hard way like when they get called old by a bunch of college/uni students in parties or that people of their age are becoming parents).

Yep, for demographic's sake they'll dismiss quality.

Although some work like you said about GitS (even if anime was still relatively niche).

• Most celebrities who get cancelled had it coming for decades. Mel Gibson, Joss Whedon, and Anthony Kiedis had been acting like jerks in public since the 90s (if not earlier). Others weren't much better. They were only given the benefit of the doubt because society wasn't mature enough to admit that someone isn't a saint just because they entertain you well.

What bothers me is that things will get removed from legal platforms only because of that.

• There is a massive amount of hypocrisy in society about sexual morals, and we're collectively pretending that it's not happening. The most judgemental are also the most horny, and the sneakiest about it.

It may be cultural but I agree, if something is explicitly for adults there should be no issues about suggestive themes.

Now in Japan drugs are seen as sex is in the west (well, the US since in Europe they mind nudity, the non sexual one, much less).

• Losing your temper because someone doesn't like your favorite media is one of the most immature thing an adult can do. That goes double if its a book, quadruple if you have an English/literature degree. Academics "put down" great books all the time with impunity because art criticism is necessary for art to be free from being propaganda.

Now I'd argue that trolls and haters are also wanting to make you lose temper online but I agree that you should keep it cool because they're not worth wasting your time.

• If you put sugar or milk in a cup of ceremony-grade matcha, you don't deserve green tea. Back to your cheap generic black tea, uncouth barbarian. (Note: It's fine in lower grades of green tea.)

I personally prefer coffee but I'm for milk or sugar only for Chai.

• There should be more trains and buses, and less cars. If you've lived in a country where this is true, you'll miss it when you leave.

Agreed but in the other hand I am annoyed that some individuals are also taking transports and getting squeezed when there's a lot of people. Also I won't talk about hygiene but I feel irritated by the slimy texture of warm metal bars.

 

[MasterEn]

I'm maybe not the best to talk about education (since I'm not a parent) but I think that sadly a lot are letting their kid doing things without even checking if they're doing ok. That's how some end up saying yet to a friend handing a cigarette even barely in late middle school.

Some are still teens in their head despite being full grown (until they finally learn they no longer are but usually they get it the hard way like when they get called old by a bunch of college/uni students in parties or that people of their age are becoming parents).

Yep, for demographic's sake they'll dismiss quality.

Although some work like you said about GitS (even if anime was still relatively niche).

you don't have to be a parent to talk about education. you were a child at one point. you went through being parented by someone. the receiving end matters just as much as the giving end. modern day parents don't care much about anything other than themselves and what they can get from their kids and others. this is prevalent in society in general today.
most people don't grow out of being 14 years old. the mind lags behind about 5 years compared to the body. you brain is fully developed when you are 25. the events and experiences that people go through also affect mental growth. few to no challenges or difficulties result in stagnation and little to negative growth. hardships built character, morals and values. everyone nowadays will avoid those at all cost, even if it hurts them more in the long run.
entertainment is a business when all is said and done. you need profit to keep going. walt disney said that he made money to make movies, not movies to make money. you still need capital, but it shouldn't be the end goal entirely.
hot chicks with guns sell. it's not high end art, but it works. i watched 3 movies and 2 tv shows because of mokoto's jumpsuit and leotard back after i first saw her on adult swim when stand alone complex first aired.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Gravity falls is good, but it's not THAT good, I wouldn't put it next to 00s cartoon network

Also Wendy is boring

 

[Ikagura]

Gravity falls is good, but it's not THAT good, I wouldn't put it next to 00s cartoon network

Also Wendy is boring

Honestly I didn't even bother rewatching the series for the 10th anniversary because I got satisfied enough with what I've watched.

On the other hand I'd gladly rewatch Over the Garden Wall yearly.

Wendy as in Wendy Corduroy right? Honestly both love interests aren't interesting to me because I care more about the adventure and mystery.

PS: I'm not that fan of Mabel because she barely is a character outside of the comic relief/visual gag element.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Honestly I didn't even bother rewatching the series for the 10th anniversary because I got satisfied enough with what I've watched.

On the other hand I'd gladly rewatch Over the Garden Wall yearly.

Wendy as in Wendy Corduroy right? Honestly both love interests aren't interesting to me because I care more about the adventure and mystery.

PS: I'm not that fan of Mabel because she barely is a character outside of the comic relief/visual gag element.

It's already been 10 years? I guess it has..
Yes her, she's so boring, she gets no episodes and she's so perfect aside from One Time where she says shes secretly stressed
Also Dipper dodged a bullet bc she sounds like a bitch to date, she had like 5+ boyfriends and wont even call if she breaks up with you

Mabel I like, I like that Dipper wants to skip to adulthood while she's afraid of growing up

Now over the garden wall that one's great!

 

[Dyne]

Hot takes huh? So unpopular opinions? Ok.

4k resolution is total overkill. Anything over 2k at most is just a waste of money.
(If you like it thats cool but this is my hot take)

Also, super high frame rates eventually ruin your ability to enjoy media at lower frame rates, therefore I think anything above 60 fps is more trouble than its worth (unless you are playing competetive pvp then you're at a big disadvantage without high fps)
I know so many people who can't stand 30 fps or even 60, when they used to have absolutely no problem enjoying it. No thank you.

 

[Ikagura]

It's already been 10 years? I guess it has..
Yes her, she's so boring, she gets no episodes and she's so perfect aside from One Time where she says she's secretly stressed
Also Dipper dodged a bullet bc she sounds like a bitch to date, she had like 5+ boyfriends and wont even call if she breaks up with you

Mabel I like, I like that Dipper wants to skip to adulthood while she's afraid of growing up

Now over the garden wall that one's great!

I forgot that she had 5 bf before.

I think the show wanted a love interest but didn't know what to do with that. She would've worked better as a best friend to do risky things (like he does to prove to himself he's mature enough despite how immature these actions are).

And I didn't like how, after he showed how Robby used a subliminal message to influence on Wendy so that she broke with him, he used that opportunity to wanna date with her despite still being sad from that breakup...

Finally it's maybe agreed upon fans but they got quite the age difference there (even if it's like 3 years they grow fast) so when she would hit 18 he'd be barely 15 so that's probably not the best idea on the long term.

Anyway this shouldn't delve into a Gravity Falls talk sorry.

Hot takes huh? So unpopular opinions? Ok.

4k resolution is total overkill. Anything over 2k at most is just a waste of money.
(If you like it thats cool but this is my hot take)

Also, super high frame rates eventually ruin your ability to enjoy media at lower frame rates, therefore I think anything above 60 fps is more trouble than its worth (unless you are playing competetive pvp then you're at a big disadvantage without high fps)
I know so many people who can't stand 30 fps or even 60, when they used to have absolutely no problem enjoying it. No thank you.

4K is barely finally available anywhere and now marketing guys are pushing 8K already...


I think that on a relatively small screen 4K is almost a waste of resolution.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Hot takes huh? So unpopular opinions? Ok.

4k resolution is total overkill. Anything over 2k at most is just a waste of money.
(If you like it thats cool but this is my hot take)

Also, super high frame rates eventually ruin your ability to enjoy media at lower frame rates, therefore I think anything above 60 fps is more trouble than its worth (unless you are playing competetive pvp then you're at a big disadvantage without high fps)
I know so many people who can't stand 30 fps or even 60, when they used to have absolutely no problem enjoying it. No thank you.

I can barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080 unless its a very big screen or a game thats high fidelity

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I forgot that she had 5 bf before.

I think the show wanted a love interest but didn't know what to do with that. She would've worked better as a best friend to do risky things (like he does to prove to himself he's mature enough despite how immature these actions are).

And I didn't like how, after he showed how Robby used a subliminal message to influence on Wendy so that she broke with him, he used that opportunity to wanna date with her despite still being sad from that breakup...

Finally it's maybe agreed upon fans but they got quite the age difference there (even if it's like 3 years they grow fast) so when she would hit 18 he'd be barely 15 so that's probably not the best idea on the long term.

Anyway this shouldn't delve into a Gravity Falls talk sorry.


4K is barely finally available anywhere and now marketing guys are pushing 8K already...


I think that on a relatively small screen 4K is almost a waste of resolution.

It makes sense for dipper to do that as a young boy

I think its more how when you're 15 you see 12 year olds as little kids

Nah its still in topic bc zoomers love GF like its the best cartoon ever

hell I remember nostalgia critic saying "Are cartoons now better than ever?!" because of it and steven universe lol

Also ford didnt have enough appearamces
Why was he in the backround so much?

 

[Xdqwerty]

The actual dark age of animation was when there were only badly animated saturday morning cartoons that only existed to sell toys

 

[Lee__Kanker]

The harley quinn show is safe edgy trash
At least hazbin hotel has good songs and great animation

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Its also contributed to this new version of harley quinn I hate
And as its the case with a lot of modern shows, theres some stuff thats done out of immature spite like spending a whole subplot on insulting fans or shitting on the og version

It sure succeeded in making a lot of people not side with them during the la writers walkout
Or cheer when they get replaced by ai

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The actual dark age of animation was when there were only badly animated saturday morning cartoons that only existed to sell toys

There's some awful stuff like the dic nintendo shows but also some great toons like the real Ghostbusters and Inhumanoids

Id say the dark era of animation is now
And also the late 00s

 

[MasterEn]

The actual dark age of animation was when there were only badly animated saturday morning cartoons that only existed to sell toys

i disagree. the shows were enjoyable with or without the toys. cartoons made to be cookie cutter and generic are worse.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

i disagree. the shows were enjoyable with or without the toys. cartoons made to be cookie cutter and generic are worse.