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[Tonberry]

We're the first to mock Vivzie's shows for dropping f-bombs all the time

I think it works differently for different shows. To me, Vivzie’s shows are edgy for edgy’s sake and it just falls completely flat on its face because of it, regardless of quirky character designs, and even then they started out as internet cartoons, which is a medium that has virtually zero boundaries compared to TV.

I think swearing is better than beeping because people swear in real life, it’s no big deal and just adds a tiny bit of color to the script generally.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Honestly I don't really find that great on the long run that they could say stuff like the n word or other slurs.

We're the first to mock Vivzie's shows for dropping f-bombs all the time or when in R&M we get to see them saying swear words just for the sake of it (since it's an "adult sitcom") so why SP would be that different.?

Hazbin Hotel is the posterbody of safe edgy, it would've been offensive and scandalous like 20 years ago
Biblical stuff is like the safest possible target you could pick after CEOs and lawywers, cartoon characters swearing hasn't been fresh since I was born

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I think it works differently for different shows. To me, Vivzie’s shows are edgy for edgy’s sake and it just falls completely flat on its face because of it, regardless of quirky character designs, and even then they started out as internet cartoons, which is a medium that has virtually zero boundaries compared to TV.

I think swearing is better than beeping because people swear in real life, it’s no big deal and just adds a tiny bit of color to the script generally.

That's another thing, it's the internet, you're not being rebellious against anything you can say anything here; I can think of 20 internet animations more hardcore than HH

Beeping Can be funny but if it was every single time itd get grating

 

[Lena CE]

These are the same people that got brainwashed into thinking that LCDs where better than CRTs and allowed them to be replaced.

I feel like that was pretty inevitable regardless, considering how much cheaper modern panels are to make than CRTs. As HD, form factor and panel size became bigger factors, CRTs lost almost all of those battles in terms of cost efficiency and general convenience. I still wish they stuck around for hobbyists, but I can't blame most users for abandoning them, especially when HD CRTs lose almost all of the benefits that CRTs have for non-HD content. The benefits over HD LCDs were mostly just alternatives, not straight up improvements. There's a reason that the CRT community doesn't look back on HD CRTs fondly.

Manufacturers and retailers benefit from having far less bulky, costly product to make, ship and store. Consumers lose basically nothing for HD content and for the handful of hobbyists that care about pre-HD stuff, they'll have a CRT lying around or at least in the 2000s and early 2010s have easy access to decent CRTs secondhand. Its only in the last 10ish years where the complete abandonment of CRTs has become an issue and its only for a mostly-dwindling set of hobbyists who both vastly prefer and want to seek out those types of monitors.

 

[miguk miguk]

If you think theres stuff you shouldnt laught at or it's "punching down" you are a prude who takes himself too seriosuly, that's why it's funny and show always has material; I didnt "defend" my opinion I just said it makes me laugh theres nothing else to it

yeah I said "the people I've met" cause you did, to show it's a dumb point cause everyone can claim something if they go "Well I met these guys.."
Who?

Idk what was "no you" about the reply

Yeah and claiming the show dosnt know what it jokes about cause you know better is smug

Are you familiar with the term "punching down"? You sounds like you either don't get what I'm talking about or are purposely avoiding it. Punching down is making jokes at the expense of marginalized groups. It's why I said that these pro-SP arguments all end up resorting to "shut up, minorities, and let me make fun of minorities." It's not just making jokes, but demanding the people who are the butt of them say nothing about how horrible, both in terms of craft and ethics, the joke is.

And now you are calling me a prude for justifying my opinion. Rule #1: be civil. And seriously, if you've been here for even a few days, you know nobody here would call me a prude. Weirdo? Yes. Pervert? Also yes. But prude? You're alone on that.

I'm calling you out on making a weak retcon of your own argument. You didn't make a weak argument to give an example of a weak argument; you just made a weak argument and are now trying to save face after the fact. That's blatantly clear and no one is going to believe your retcon. You'd do better to just admit you made a mistake than double down on it, since the former actually saves face and the latter never works.

"No you" is the "you're the old man yelling at clouds" that you keep doing. It's the same thing kids do when they aren't winning: "Nuh uh, I didn't lose, you're the loser, loser Mcloserface!" It's utterly immature; give it a rest already. (Again, Rule #1: be civil.)

And as I said before, try not to take art criticism so personally. YOU are not being judged; the art is. If you can't separate yourself from the art, that's not my problem, and not something I, or anyone else, should be criticized for; that's your issue to work out on your own. Educated adults handle this sort of thing all the time; you can try holding yourself to such a standard.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Are you familiar with the term "punching down"? You sounds like you either don't get what I'm talking about or are purposely avoiding it. Punching down is making jokes at the expense of marginalized groups. It's why I said that these pro-SP arguments all end up resorting to "shut up, minorities, and let me make fun of minorities." It's not just making jokes, but demanding the people who are the butt of them say nothing about how horrible, both in terms of craft and ethics, the joke is.

And now you are calling me a prude for justifying my opinion. Rule #1: be civil. And seriously, if you've been here for even a few days, you know nobody here would call me a prude. Weirdo? Yes. Pervert? Also yes. But prude? You're alone on that.

I'm calling you out on making a weak retcon of your own argument. You didn't make a weak argument to give an example of a weak argument; you just made a weak argument and are now trying to save face after the fact. That's blatantly clear and no one is going to believe your retcon. You'd do better to just admit you made a mistake than double down on it, since the former actually saves face and the latter never works.

"No you" is the "you're the old man yelling at clouds" that you keep doing. It's the same thing kids do when they aren't winning: "Nuh uh, I didn't lose, you're the loser, loser Mcloserface!" It's utterly immature; give it a rest already. (Again, Rule #1: be civil.)

And as I said before, try not to take art criticism so personally. YOU are not being judged; the art is. If you can't separate yourself from the art, that's not my problem, and not something I, or anyone else, should be criticized for; that's your issue to work out on your own. Educated adults handle this sort of thing all the time; you can try holding yourself to such a standard.

I am familiar with it, I put it in quotes because I think it's stupid, I dont think anything is above being made fun of

You didnt justify your opinion, you were smugly saying you're objectively right and everyone else can't see it: "it's pretending that everyone else is a prude when in reality they actually know — not think, but know — that SP's comedy is objectively badly made vapid punch-down humor with shallow depth underneath it" and I thought it was condescending and I think getting offended at dark humor is prudish

If you think calling you a prude it's going too far idk what to tell you, sorry I guess? ppl here had bantered in a way harsher tone, I've seen a guy go like "what you make will never amount to anything" and the guy replied "duly noted" and it ended there

Well I do think you're your own accusation, I dont think the writers of south park are yelling at clouds but I think that argument sounded like kyle's mom; it doesnt mean I think you're a monster or anything I'm just talking bout cartoons

I didnt take anything personally man

 

[Tonberry]

I don’t want to butt into your discussion, but I just wanted to chime in with that I think that SP lost its edge a long time ago, when Matt and Trey became libertarians and still tried to ”swing both ways”, and that was like at least 20 years ago.

Nowadays it’s even safer than ever. ”wow streaming services are bad omg!”

The best episodes are the ones where the kids are just being kids reacting to the world around them but still just being impressionable and way less judgmental than the adults in the show ever were.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I don’t want to butt into your discussion, but I just wanted to chime in with that I think that SP lost its edge a long time ago, when Matt and Trey became libertarians and still tried to ”swing both ways”, and that was like at least 20 years ago.

Nowadays it’s even safer than ever. ”wow streaming services are bad omg!”

The best episodes are the ones where the kids are just being kids reacting to the world around them but still just being impressionable and way less judgmental than the adults in the show ever were.

Anyone can join in!

 

[MasterEn]

Anyone can join in!

i'll be joining back in soon, i got to get a drawing ready first.

 

[Tonberry]

Katanas will never be as cool as Longswords, but the Sabre has them both beat.

 

[miguk miguk]

I am familiar with it, I put it in quotes because I think it's stupid, I dont think anything is above being made fun of

You didnt justifying your opinion, you were smugly saying you're objectively right and everyone else can't see it: "it's pretending that everyone else is a prude when in reality they actually know — not think, but know — that SP's comedy is objectively badly made vapid punch-down humor with shallow depth underneath it"

I you think calling you a prude it's going too far idk what to tell you, sorry I guess? Ppl here had bantered in a way harsher tone, I've seen a guy go like "whatn you make will never amount to anything"

Well I do think you're your own accusation, I dont think the writers of south park are yelling at clouds but I think that argument sounded like cartman's mom; it doesnt mean I think you're a monster or anything I'm just talking bout cartoons

I didnt take anything personally man

Oh boy, you do not want to use "anything" in that first sentence. Because we're talking about punching down, you now sound like you're supporting racist jokes, jokes about the Shoah, rape jokes, homophobic jokes, and other garbage that fits within "anything" in the punching down category. I can accuse you of supporting any kind of beyond the pale joke because you said you support all of them.

This isn't Pokémon, and I am not Smugleaf. That's more incivility. You are pushing it.

I've explained the objectively bad part before, which you've ignored. Did you even understand what "strawman" meant? That it is punch-down humor is something even you don't deny. As for shallow depth, my example script showed what I meant. (I even used an actual joke from the show in it.)

Now you are retconning an insult as banter. You gave no clear indication that it was banter. There was nothing playful in your statements. Saying "you're a prude" contains nothing akin to a joke that could be interpreted as one. You're not really apologizing; you're trying to make me look like I'm at fault. And you are failing at that.

Look up "ad hominem fallacy". You really need to learn why that is a total failure of logic if you think you are completely justified in it. You are NOT arguing against my opinion by slinging insults at me; you are arguing against ME while failing to address my opinion. Your argument is invalid by resorting to namecalling, and I would go so far as to say you simply do not have any real defense for your perspective — because if you did, you would do JUST THAT.

(And before you throw another "no you" at me, I've stuck to only 2 things: ① giving my opinion on the show's problems and ② pointing out the problems with your incivility.)

And leaving that last insult at "sounds like Cartman's mom" without any further explanation isn't a very good attempt at a crypto-insult; I know that means "sounds like a bitch" to South Park fans.

I would rather not give Spike another pile of reports, but this is getting absurd.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Oh boy, you do not want to use "anything" in that first sentence. Because we're talking about punching down, you now sound like you're supporting racist jokes, jokes about the Shoah, rape jokes, homophobic jokes, and other garbage that fits within "anything" in the punching down category. I can accuse you of supporting any kind of beyond the pale joke because you said you support all of them.

Doesn't south park make fun of all of that?

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And leaving that last insult at "sounds like Cartman's mom" without any further explanation isn't a very good attempt at a crypto-insult; I know that means "sounds like a bitch."

I would rather not give Spike another pile of reports, but this is getting absurd.

No it's cause kyle's mom's whole thing was "you can't joke about X!" (I wrote cartman's by mistake)

 

[Tonberry]

Oh boy, you do not want to use "anything" in that first sentence. Because we're talking about punching down, you now sound like you're supporting racist jokes, jokes about the Shoah, rape jokes, homophobic jokes, and other garbage that fits within "anything" in the punching down category. I can accuse you of supporting any kind of beyond the pale joke because you said you support all of them.

This isn't Pokémon, and I am not Smugleaf. That's more incivility. You are pushing it.

I've explained the objectively bad part before, which you've ignored. Did you even understand what "strawman" meant? That it is punch-down humor is something even you don't deny. As for shallow depth, my example script showed what I meant. (I even used an actual joke from the show in it.)

Now you are retconning an insult as banter. You gave no clear indication that it was banter. There was nothing playful in your statements. Saying "you're a prude" contains nothing akin to a joke that could be interpreted as one. You're not really apologizing; you're trying to make me look like I'm at fault. And you are failing at that.

Look up "ad hominem fallacy". You really need to learn why that is a total failure of logic if you think you are completely justified in it. You are NOT arguing against my opinion by slinging insults at me; you are arguing against ME while failing to address my opinion. Your argument is invalid by resorting to namecalling, and I would go so far as to say you simply do not have any real defense for your perspective — because if you did, you would do JUST THAT.

(And before you throw another "no you" at me, I've stuck to only 2 things: ① giving my opinion on the show's problems and ② pointing out the problems with your incivility.)

And leaving that last insult at "sounds like Cartman's mom" without any further explanation isn't a very good attempt at a crypto-insult; I know that means "sounds like a bitch" to South Park fans.

I would rather not give Spike another pile of reports, but this is getting absurd.

You’re getting way too hostile about this. People are allowed to like/dislike media for reasons you disagree with.

Also, chill out with the backseat moderating.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Seriously bro if you're gonna be like "I'm calling Spike" let's just drop this, he's got better things two do than policing two dum-dums talking about cartoons

I'm sorry I called you a prude ok?

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

*Sighs*.

We all want the topic to remain open, right? Please chill out and refer to rule #1.

 

[Deleted member 7989]

Man this topic went bad fast. I mean I might disagree with other people here and agree with others, but that's all it is at the end of the day, an opinion. I like South Park a lot, and Gravity Falls is pretty cool too, but I think people are allowed to disagree on this stuff. I hope everyone has a good day and doesn't let this frustrate them. Try to enjoy the discussion instead of biting each others heads off.

 

[Tonberry]

I think showering blows.

This doesn’t mean I’m a filthy pig of course lol, I always shower. I just hate the feeling of having to stand there all vulnerable and awkward like while getting soaked. It’s not a relaxing experience at all to me!

 

[Deleted member 7989]

I think showering blows.

This doesn’t mean I’m a filthy pig of course lol, I always shower. I just hate the feeling of having to stand there all vulnerable and awkward like while getting soaked. It’s not a relaxing experience at all to me!

Look out guys, This guy stinks!!!!

 

[Tonberry]

Look out guys, This guy stinks!!!!

Like I SO totally dont’t!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 7989]

Like I SO totally dont’t!!!!!

I don't know... That Persona 5 at the top of that list there tells me otherwise...

 

[Tonberry]

I don't know... That Persona 5 at the top of that list there tells me otherwise...

It was a gift from my brother! I swear!

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I think showering blows.

This doesn’t mean I’m a filthy pig of course lol, I always shower. I just hate the feeling of having to stand there all vulnerable and awkward like while getting soaked. It’s not a relaxing experience at all to me!

Baths suck unless you go to like a spa
You have to prepare it it's not like 5 minutes and you're done, then you gotta clean the tub, and it wastes so much water...

One time when I was a kid I saw on the news that some third world country had an accident where a snake crawled into a shower, crawled up the drain

I very probably misunderstood what actually happened, I was like 6, but for a while I was so scared when taking a shampoo; cause I'm just standin there blind and not being able to move, while a venomous monster could be crawling out the drain

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It was a gift from my brother! I swear!

Are you a smash bros player

 

[Tonberry]

Baths suck unless you go to like a spa
You have to prepare it it's not like 5 minutes and you're done, then you gotta clean the tub, and it wastes so much water...

One time when I was a kid I saw on the news that some third world country had an accident where a snake crawled into a shower, crawled up the drain

I very likely misunderstood what actually happened, I was like 6, but for a while I was so scared when taking a shampoo; cause I'm just standin there blind and not being able to move, while a venomous monster could be crawling out the drain and I cant see it

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Are you a smash bros player

I’ve got really dry skin, and especially during the winter where I look like Thanos just snapped me away ten minutes after I shower, which is probably another reason why I think it’s a hassle. I’ve only recently started moisturizing but I’m not used to it yet so it feels more annoying than good still lol

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I’ve got really dry skin, and especially during the winter where I look like Thanos just snapped me away ten minutes after I shower, which is probably another reason why I think it’s a hassle. I’ve only recently started moisturizing but I’m not used to it yet so it feels more annoying than good still lol

Meanwhile I fit the italian sterotype of being a greaseball if I dont shower every day

White chocoalate is great, especially with hazlenuts or peanut butter

 

[NobodyHere]

I think showering blows.

This doesn’t mean I’m a filthy pig of course lol, I always shower. I just hate the feeling of having to stand there all vulnerable and awkward like while getting soaked. It’s not a relaxing experience at all to me!

might sound obvious but perhaps try one of those chairs/stools for the shower

 

[Tonberry]

might sound obvious but perhaps try one of those chairs/stools for the shower

I’d sooner perish than subject myself to such shame. I’m 29 years young, I’ll have you know I can stand up on my own!