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[Jeanfranc]

I can barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080 unless its a very big screen or a game thats high fidelity

on a fixed-pixel display, any resolution other than the monitor's native one will look bad.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Bad wording, I was meaning more of to point towards the same point of commentaries. What I ment by Dipper being the mc, is him influences how the show frames Wendy, not wanting to break the fantasy. It would have been real nice to have an episode to humanize her more, maybe after the underground bunker episode, that could make a good turning point.

Yeah...

On the other hand when I think about it I've become a bit tired of Deeper always being anxious when things don't go well as if he needed to have control over everything possible.

I'm not psychologist but isn't that a borderline sociopathic behaviour?

 

[miguk miguk]

They always pushed the envelope on what's allowed to be joked about on tv and were never afraid of anyone, they were even the only ones who dared to directly make fun of scientology

saying "people were too young and dumb to get it's bad" is old man yelling at cloud beheaviour, I actually ended up liking it way more as an adult

They were basically repeating humor that had been done in the 80s and even the 90s. Sam Kinneson, the Farrelly Bros, the Wayans Bros, and numerous 80s comedies and stand-up comedians had done it before. Even Colin Quinn beat them to it (although I can understand if nobody recognizes him as a comedian, as he barely knows how to make or perform a joke). They only seemed to push the envelope because they were being "politically incorrect" (ironic euphemism there) during a time when everyone else was backing off from that type of humor. And there was a good reason for that.

Yes, the Scientology episode was okay. Broken clock situation and exception that proves the rule.

I didn't say dumb, I said "inexperienced with the topics". That is very common with young audiences and you should be able to understand why. That's not old man behavior; that's stating "kids are not adults." (And note that they deliberately targeted kids as an audience; they even sold child-sized t-shirts.) And much of their audience, from those I've met, still don't get the topics discussed beyond what they get from South Park and other Comedy Central shows. They're so heavily bubbled that they can't even see the strawmanning as something bad (when that's a fiction writing 101 mistake).

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I don't understand what this means.

It's a reference to this

it was what the director's art teacher said about the movie, and he never got what it meant

 

[MasterEn]

Yeah...

On the other hand when I think about it I've become a bit tired of Deeper always being anxious when things don't go well as if he needed to have control over everything possible.

I'm not psychologist but isn't that a borderline sociopathic behaviour?

probably. i don't recall the def of sociopathic at the moment. but it's not a unique trait to them alone. the whole plot of sonic and the black knight happens because merlina doesn't want the horrible future that she saw coming to happen. she tried to freeze time like ultimeica so that things wouldn't change. she tried to exert control over something that she shouldn't have. but she had help from sonic and learned to let go and accept things as they are.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

They were basically repeating humor that had been done in the 80s and even the 90s. Sam Kinneson, the Farrelly Bros, the Wayans Bros, and numerous 80s comedies and stand-up comedians had done it before. Even Colin Quinn beat them to it (although I can understand if nobody recognizes him as a comedian, as he barely knows how to make or perform a joke). They only seemed to push the envelope because they were being "politically incorrect" (ironic euphemism there) during a time when everyone else was backing off from that type of humor. And there was a good reason for that.

Yes, the Scientology episode was okay. Broken clock situation and exception that proves the rule.

I didn't say dumb, I said "inexperienced with the topics". That is very common with young audiences and you should be able to understand why. That's not old man behavior; that's stating "kids are not adults." (And note that they deliberately targeted kids as an audience; they even sold child-sized t-shirts.) And much of their audience, from those I've met, still don't get the topics discussed beyond what they get from South Park and other Comedy Central shows. They're so heavily bubbled that they can't even see the strawmanning as something bad (when that's a fiction writing 101 mistake).

And it's still pushing the envelope, because almost everyone else backs away from the topics they make fun of and it still offends people who take themselves too seriously and makes the rest laugh
The people I've met love its satire

I was being hyperbolic with "dumb", saying "its just good cause they didnt know any better" is old man beheaviour if you ask me, and "the audience just doesnt get the topic" is smug behraviour

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I'll say it but I would've watched more of South Park if it wasn't for its gratuitous use of toilet based humour and shenanigans.


Sorry but, when I watch a show on my computer, human waste material is probably the last thing I would like to see (especially when I'm having a meal in front).

On the other hand I liked some other jokes or references even if they forced a bit too much on gore.

South Park eventually became a parody of itself at some point.

probably. i don't recall the def of sociopathic at the moment. but it's not a unique trait to them alone. the whole plot of sonic and the black knight happens because merlina doesn't want the horrible future that she saw coming to happen. she tried to freeze time like ultimeica so that things wouldn't change. she tried to exert control over something that she shouldn't have. but she had help from sonic and learned to let go and accept things as they are.

Let's not spoil other games even if they're old.

But while I understand that Dipper is young (and emotionally immature) he kinda gets annoying when he acts worried when something happens despite that the thing will quickly get resolved.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Yeah...

On the other hand when I think about it I've become a bit tired of Deeper always being anxious when things don't go well as if he needed to have control over everything possible.

I'm not psychologist but isn't that a borderline sociopathic behaviour?

That's just being an insecure anxious kid haha

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it's from a scene in family guy where the griffins lock themselves up in a safe room when some intruders break in. the water sprinklers turn on and they are nearly about to drown when peter says that he doesn't like a movie. i don't remember which one, but he says "it insists upon itself" as his reason why.

It's a great nothing criticism to sound smart

 

[Lee__Kanker]

on a fixed-pixel display, any resolution other than the monitor's native one will look bad.

That's just a fact

 

[Jeanfranc]

Still remember the 7th and early 8th generations where people tried to say wild stuff like 30 vs 60 wasn't noticeable. There were also the odd few ducks who would swear that the human eye could barely see 60fps. Odd times to be sure.

These are the same people that got brainwashed into thinking that LCDs where better than CRTs and allowed them to be replaced.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Hell I can't tell the difference unless you put them side by side. On that note, I hate when gamers lose their shit over a game nOt bEiNg A sTaBle 60 fPs. Dude, look me deep in the eyes and repeat: You aren't gonna notice!

I notice, I miss when it was the norm

 

[MasterEn]

I'll say it but I would've watched more of South Park if it wasn't for its gratuitous use of toilet based humour and shenanigans.


Sorry but, when I watch a show on my computer, human waste material is probably the last thing I would like to see (especially when I'm having a meal in front).

On the other hand I liked some other jokes or references even if they forced a bit too much on gore.

South Park eventually became a parody of itself at some point.


Let's not spoil other games even if they're old.

But while I understand that Dipper is young (and emotionally immature) he kinda gets annoying when he acts worried when something happens despite that the thing will quickly get resolved.

i forgot that people might not be familiar with the game's story.
that should be something that gets resolved over the show. learning to not be so nervous about everything.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

These are the same people that got brainwashed into thinking that LCDs where better than CRTs and allowed them to be replaced.

dont remind me

 

[Lee__Kanker]

I agree, aside her being from a lumber-jack family she has little to nothing making her original. I wish she was more on the tomboy side but that's it. There were other redhead character before in cartoons so even that isn't original.

I don't know if it's controversial but somehow if the genders were reversed (while the younger would still be the one crushing on the older) people online would've debated on the problematic nature of that relationship even if it was strictly a one-way crush while the other would only see them as a friend.

Pacifica is really that interesting as an alternative choice btw?


Personally I still dislike edginess for the sake of appearing more mature (when in fact it's not mature at all). South Park had some interesting plot points but I feel that they're being provocative for the sake of it.

This summarises perfectly this concept

Someday I'll watch Taxi Drivers.

But I feel that Joker is basically a remake of Falling Down.


She's also in a complete Stockholm syndrome (of course her relationship with him is toxic but that's the entire point of the character). Arkham managed to modernise her original design instead of that punk looking girl with a bad chewing bubblegum that I don't like that much...

It's probably me but the idea of turning her lesbian with Ivy is like saying that lesbian women are just abused straight women when Poison Ivy isn't really that nice of a person either (yes, even if she's a victim).


I don't understand what this means.

Ppl on social media are very touchy about the reality of realtionships, let em complain, everything's problematic today

I TOTALLY shipped dippifica, she had again multiple episodes to show off her personality and they're nice together and got cute moments, it's a shame it didnt happen. It Would've been fun Dipper moving from attracting towards a person that was attractive but wouldve made for a terrible gf, vs the right girl for him and from a place he wasn't expecting

I think south park is anything but mature lol I love edgy crass and offensive stuff, ever since I was a kid

The eps of the cartoon show did a much much better job of giving her solo episodes. Well I dont think the show is saying that's Every gay woman, it's just a thing that can happen; still hate that they did that
Also making bruce's son into a spoiled sheltered kid who doesn't know people pay for housing was the laziest lamest joke you could make. I could've come up with that! And since when does harley know anything about housing??

 

[MasterEn]

Maybe it's me but I don't like that character trait.

No, not because I was also kinda one but I think it's because that gets a bit too old after a while.

Finn and other male protagonists in cartoons had their moment but their entire personality wasn't gravitating around it. Even Wirt from Over the Garden Wall that isn't far from Dipper still had some composure.


Why? I mean Dipper literally went to ask out Wendy after she dumped Robbie right when he managed to prove he used his song to put a subliminal message to love him. It's quite an opportunistic way to act instead of understanding that after a breakup someone may not be feeling good yet. There's no issue calling it out.

I think he is fine but a bit bad at being social and while the vacations helped him to know what's acceptable he still did things that aren't really ok to do.

At least he learned from it I hope.

i would say that this dipper kid was just being a selfish twerp. he saw some cheeks that he wanted, and it didn't matter how he got her; just that he did. if he cared, he'd just either be there for her, or give her some space; not using song alchemy to whip up an auditory love potion.

 

[NobodyHere]

Hey, I just said borderline sociopathic behaviour not that he was one, no need to overreact. I didn't even intent to throw neurodivergent people under a bus either since I'm talking about a cartoon character. Personality disorder is quite a broad term I think.


People on social media would even call a non-abusive relationship between two consenting adults for various reasons yeah...

I still remember one telling that if one character is like way older (from not being human) technically they'd be dating someone who's basically too young even if they're adult.


My personal issue with her is how she's acting like an entitled rich child so she could dump him anytime she gets bored. Of course she had some development but usually her parents would've been a big obstacle.

I think it’s easy to forget the characters are children going through puberty; Children are dumb, uncomfortable in their own body, bad with emotions, impulsive, and such. Also I’m guessing Dipper had a bit of an anxiety disorder and something else (not in an insulting way, just to clarify)

 

[Xdqwerty Xdqwerty]

Nintendo and Sega's Seals of Quality only worked to see if a game was unlicensed or not

 

[MasterEn]

Why are they reusing the same character design as him?
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hollywood people are lazy.

 

[Jeanfranc]

Why are they reusing the same character design as him?
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Because it's the ideal male body

 

[MasterEn]

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Because it's the ideal male body

so you're showing us a sneak peak of the live action remake? neet.

 

[miguk miguk]

And it's still pushing the envelope, because almost everyone else backs away from the topics they make fun of and it still offends people who take themselves too seriously and makes the rest laugh
The people I've met love its satire

I was being hyperbolic with "dumb", saying "its just good cause they didnt know any better" is old man beheaviour if you ask me, and "the audience just doesnt get the topic" is smug behraviour

Is it always a good thing to go towards something that everyone else is trying to escape? You don't dive into a dumpster fire when even the rats are running from the trash heap.

And people take it seriously because "just having a laugh" isn't an excuse in itself. In fact, that shows the darker side of the South Park audience: that attitude of "shut up, minorities, and let me laugh at minorities" looms over every argument in their favor. It's pretending that everyone else is a prude when in reality they actually know — not think, but know — that SP's comedy is objectively badly made vapid punch-down humor with shallow depth underneath it.

"The people I've met" is a poor citation I could easily counter with the opposite claim. Avatar made over $1 billion despite being a shallow rehash of previous films (as well as being called out as racist by Slavoj Žižek); popularity does not measure artistic value.

"Being hyperbolic" the way you did it is dishonest. What you did is strawmanning, which, like I said, makes you look like you can't defend your opinion. You're also using a "no you" argument, which is not appropriate for mature discussion.

Kids don't know things. Grade schoolers don't study macroeconomics or other topics from the show. High schoolers rarely do, and even college freshmen tend to be ignorant. I don't get how you don't understand that. Kids were their target audience from the start, and that was proven early on; that's why they were forced to stop selling t-shirts to little kids. They didn't target an audience who would challenge their ability to talk on the topics because they weren't going to succeed with them.

I'll say it but I would've watched more of South Park if it wasn't for its gratuitous use of toilet based humour and shenanigans.


Sorry but, when I watch a show on my computer, human waste material is probably the last thing I would like to see (especially when I'm having a meal in front).

On the other hand I liked some other jokes or references even if they forced a bit too much on gore.

South Park eventually became a parody of itself at some point.

The repetitive structure and jokes made it pretty close to self-parody from early on. Tons of episodes are basically this:

Stan: Wow, snowy day, huh?
Kyle: Yeah.
Cartman: Shut up, ⛥⛥⛥!
Stan: Hey, is that a person doing something that doesn't conform?
Kyle: Yeah, he's opening a local business that competes with our corporate overlords! Let's go check it out!
Cartman: I'm going to go do anti-semite stuff.
Stan: Hi strawman we're about to criticise! What are you doing?
Strawman: I'm trying to be all different and stuff with my local coffee shop that employs local people! Hippie-dippie, yo! Also, there's a guy with Turrets here.
Turrets Guy: §§§§ COMING OUT OF MY ※※※! §§§§ COMING OUT OF MY ※※※!§§§§ COMING OUT OF MY ※※※!
Kyle: Wow, Turrets Guy, anyone who says you are an unfunny joke must hate Turrets people!
Stan: Oh God, why would you want to run a hippie communist shop! Here, drink some Starbucks!
Strawman: Wow, the generic flavor of Starbucks is better than all independent coffee shops in the world! I'm going to close my shop, sign up for a lower paying non-union fast food job, and tell all my friends that Augusto Pinochet did nothing wrong!
Kyle: That's the right attitude!
Turrets Guy: §§§§ COMING OUT OF MY ※※※!
Stan: I learned something today. Independence from and resistance to corporate supremacy is the road to becoming a leech on society. Furthermore, if we allow those currently in power to do what they want without any opposition, we will surely reach the capitalist utopia fortold in diatribes found in newsletters from groups that have all your best interests in mind.
Strawman: Spoken like a true 4th grader.
Cartman: I'm back to say ⛥⛥⛥ again.
Turrets Guy: §§§§ COMING OUT OF MY ※※※!

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Why are they reusing the same character design as him?
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In this one case I think they were both based on the same voice actor; but in general:
I've talked about it before on my profile, it's because nowdays toons and shows are AAALL made by the same guys...
Thats why I say "LA writers", they were always made in LA yeah but nowdaysb the guys living there and working in the entertainment all have the same education, same mentality, same worldview, same group of friends, so you're gonna get samey-stuff

You take past pixar movies and they were so distinct from one another, or you take the 90s and 2000s and you'd never mix up animaniacs with ren and stimpy, or batman with samurai jack even if its the same genre

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Is it always a good thing to go towards something that everyone else is trying to escape? You don't dive into a dumpster fire when even the rats are running from the trash heap.

And people take it seriously because "just having a laugh" isn't an excuse in itself. In fact, that shows the darker side of the South Park audience: that attitude of "shut up, minorities, and let me laugh at minorities" looms over every argument in their favor. It's pretending that everyone else is a prude when in reality they actually know — not think, but know — that SP's comedy is objectively badly made vapid punch-down humor with shallow depth underneath it.

"The people I've met" is a poor citation I could easily counter with the opposite claim. Avatar made over $1 billion despite being a shallow rehash of previous films (as well as being called out as racist by Slavoj Žižek); popularity does not measure artistic value.

"Being hyperbolic" the way you did it is dishonest. What you did is strawmanning, which, like I said, makes you look like you can't defend your opinion. You're also using a "no you" argument, which is not appropriate for mature discussion.

Kids don't know things. Grade schoolers don't study macroeconomics or other topics from the show. High schoolers rarely do, and even college freshmen tend to be ignorant. I don't get how you don't understand that. Kids were their target audience from the start, and that was proven early on; that's why they were forced to stop selling t-shirts to little kids. They didn't target an audience who would challenge their ability to talk on the topics because they weren't going to succeed with them.

If you think theres stuff you shouldnt laught at or it's "punching down" you are a prude who takes himself too seriosuly, that's why it's funny and show always has material; I didnt "defend" my opinion I just said it makes me laugh theres nothing else to it

yeah I said "the people I've met" cause you did, to show it's a dumb point cause everyone can claim something if they go "Well I met these guys.."
Who?

Idk what was "no you" about the reply

Yeah and claiming the show dosnt know what it jokes about cause you know better is smug

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PS: Maybe I'm over-analysing things but I feel that male protagonists in modern cartoons are almost always nerdy and not really the courageous type compared to decades prior (while we got more confident female protagonists around). I know that there's always a shift of popularity in archetypes but a nice balance could be good to see. Same with fathers being either absent or completely clumsy/immature that we got since the Simpsons.

Also the girl has to be a quirky outcast, when it's every single time it gets dull

 

[Tonberry]

"shut up, minorities, and let me laugh at minorities"

This is really common when trying to talk about The Boondocks with people, which I think is a way better show.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I didn't want to argue then they're being tired. Fine then.

Is it always a good thing to go towards something that everyone else is trying to escape? You don't dive into a dumpster fire when even the rats are running from the trash heap.

And people take it seriously because "just having a laugh" isn't an excuse in itself. In fact, that shows the darker side of the South Park audience: that attitude of "shut up, minorities, and let me laugh at minorities" looms over every argument in their favor. It's pretending that everyone else is a prude when in reality they actually know — not think, but know — that SP's comedy is objectively badly made vapid punch-down humor with shallow depth underneath it.

"The people I've met" is a poor citation I could easily counter with the opposite claim. Avatar made over $1 billion despite being a shallow rehash of previous films (as well as being called out as racist by Slavoj Žižek); popularity does not measure artistic value.

"Being hyperbolic" the way you did it is dishonest. What you did is strawmanning, which, like I said, makes you look like you can't defend your opinion. You're also using a "no you" argument, which is not appropriate for mature discussion.

Kids don't know things. Grade schoolers don't study macroeconomics or other topics from the show. High schoolers rarely do, and even college freshmen tend to be ignorant. I don't get how you don't understand that. Kids were their target audience from the start, and that was proven early on; that's why they were forced to stop selling t-shirts to little kids. They didn't target an audience who would challenge their ability to talk on the topics because they weren't going to succeed with them.

The repetitive structure and jokes made it pretty close to self-parody from early on. Tons of episodes are basically this: [snip]

Honestly I don't really find that great on the long run that they could say stuff like the n word or other slurs.

We're the first to mock Vivzie's shows for dropping f-bombs all the time or when in R&M we get to see them saying swear words just for the sake of it (since it's an "adult sitcom") so why SP would be that different.?


Hell, even beeping could work better as a comical element than gratuitous insults.

In this one case I think they were both based on the same voice actor; but in general:
I've talked about it before on my profile, it's because nowdays toons and shows are AAALL made by the same guys...
Thats why I say "LA writers", they were always made in LA yeah but nowdaysb the guys living there and working in the entertainment all have the same education, same mentality, same worldview, same group of friends, so you're gonna get samey-stuff

You take past pixar movies and they were so distinct from one another, or you take the 90s and 2000s and you'd never mix up animaniacs with ren and stimpy, or batman with samurai jack even if its the same genre

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If you think theres stuff you shouldnt laught at or it's "punching down" you are a prude who takes himself too seriosuly, that's why it's funny and show always has material; I didnt "defend" my opinion I just said it makes me laugh theres nothing else to it

yeah I said "the people I've met" cause you did, to show it's a dumb point cause everyone can claim something if they go "Well I met these guys.."

Idk what was "no you" about the reply

Yeah and claiming the show dosnt know what it jokes about cause you know better is smug

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Also the girl has to be a quirky outcast, when it's every single time it gets dull

Some called it the "Bean mouth" or Calart style era.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

This is really common when trying to talk about The Boondocks with people, which I think is a way better show.

That show's great too

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Some called it the "Bean mouth" or Calart style era.

Yeah and that's visual, but writing wise too, the animaniacs reboot reeks of it, same jokes I've heard for the last 9 years