Hot takes

[Xdqwerty Xdqwerty]

If you aren't going to be yourself then who are you going to be? Me? Ikagura?? Lol no.......you don't have to act like a dumbass or douchebag to be "yourself" or 100% do what you do at home or alone but for the most part being really what you are

No I didnt mean like that

 

[Ikagura]

Top down games are still fine.

It's maybe not a hot take to say it but I feel like people straight up don't play a 3D game if it doesn't have free camera.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

"be yourself" is a very toxic piece of advice, bc it promoted stagnation

THIS!
...and the other analogous piece of trash, regressive anti-advice:
"You're perfect just the way you are!"
Starting in early childhood, I've heard these two phrases more times than I can count. I've deduced that anyone who tells you either of these things DOES NOT actually want you to improve, and be better than you were. The specific reason(s) for it can vary on a case-by-case basis, but it usually revolves around insecurity..
I will die on this hill..

 

[Ikagura]

THIS!
...and the other analogous piece of trash, regressive anti-advice:
"You're perfect just the way you are!"
Starting in early childhood, I've heard these two phrases more times than I can count. I've deduced that anyone who tells you either of these things DOES NOT actually want you to improve, and be better than you were. The specific reason(s) for it can vary on a case-by-case basis, but it usually revolves around insecurity..
I will die on this hill..

I can agree that it may be a case by case thing but I still think that there's no issues saying that someone is valid as they are in the sense that sometimes people that are a bit different get ostracised and rejected when they shouldn't be.

I think it's not about not improving but about accepting people that are different for what they are.

 

[Xdqwerty Xdqwerty]

I can agree that it may be a case by case thing but I still think that there's no issues saying that someone is valid as they are in the sense that sometimes people that are a bit different get ostracised and rejected when they shouldn't be.

I think it's not about not improving but about accepting people that are different for what they are.

Thats not what we meant

 

[Ikagura]

That's not what we meant.

Eh, you should've given more context because this isn't how I saw it.

I'm not saying self improvement isn't good but "be yourself" can also mean to "be natural" and not trying to pretend to be something you're not because this would be like lying not only to others but also to yourself.

Also I'd say that people not accepting someone because they're different shouldn't mean that the person should change just so they'd get accepted, this could be the worst outcome and others shouldn't dictate how someone should be...

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Eh, you should've given more context because this isn't how I saw it.

I'm not saying self improvement isn't good but "be yourself" can also mean to "be natural" and not trying to pretend to be something you're not because this would be like lying not only to others but also to yourself.

Also I'd say that people not accepting someone because they're different shouldn't mean that the person should change just so they'd get accepted, this could be the worst outcome and others shouldn't dictate how someone should be...

I can't help but feel like you're purposely being (at least a little) obtuse here..

Change and self-improvement is WILDLY uncomfortable, and generally "unnatural" by definition. It requires intense motivation and/or extreme pain just to break out of a familiar holding pattern. Actually following through on changing oneself, more often than not, results in "imposter's syndrome," and requires a certain degree of "fake it until you make it."

There are reasons why "The Hero's Journey" is so universally appealing as a general archetype..

Meanwhile, the previously aforementioned phrases are absolutely cancerous to this process, and are some of the most insidiously EVIL things you can say to a boy/young man who's trying to improve themselves, and find their rightful place in the world... it's like pouring a giant bucket of (poisonous) cold water on the "fires" of the masculine spirit..

 

[Ikagura]

Change and self-improvement is WILDLY uncomfortable, and generally "unnatural" by definition. It requires intense motivation and/or extreme pain just to break out of a familiar holding pattern. Actually following through on changing oneself, more often than not, results in "imposter's syndrome," and requires a certain degree of "fake it until you make it."

I'm sorry but I don't like the whole "faking it" because people should be honest about their limits instead of pretending to be above their level.

There are reasons why "The Hero's Journey" is so universally appealing as a general archetype...

That's mostly a fiction analysis thing.

Meanwhile, the previously aforementioned phrases are absolutely cancerous to this process, and are some of the most insidiously EVIL things you can say to a boy/young man who's trying to improve themselves, and find their rightful place in the world... it's like pouring a giant bucket of (poisonous) cold water on the "fires" of the masculine spirit..

I'm confused about it because why would it only apply to boy/young men? Why not girls and young women as well?

And what is even the "masculine spirit" to begin with?

I'd argue that there's no need to find a "rightful place in the world" because people are merely a part of it to begin with. We are part of a whole so there's no place with our name on it, we come and go like anything else.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

I'm sorry but I don't like the whole "faking it" because people should be honest about their limits instead of pretending to be above their level.


That's mostly a fiction analysis thing.


I'm confused about it because why would it only apply to boy/young men? Why not girls and young women as well?

And what is even the "masculine spirit" to begin with?

I'd argue that there's no need to find a "rightful place in the world" because people are merely a part of it to begin with. We are part of a whole so there's no place with our name on it, we come and go like anything else.

Okay, now I'm absolutely certain that you are just being purposely obtuse..

You're just pedantically picking out little surface-level details to argue about, without meaningfully engaging with any of the actual philosophical points that I was making, like some kind of insecure midwit..

Good day, sir..

 

[Ikagura]

You're just pedantically picking out little surface-level details to argue about, without meaningfully engaging with any of the actual philosophical points that I was making, like some kind of insecure midwit..

Are you unironically using the term midwit? I mean it's like one of those 4chan buzzword that means nothing in reality.

And what philosophical point? It's just a video game forum, we don't need to get deep.

 

[autopsyexperiment autopsyexperiment]

"be yourself" is a very toxic piece of advice, bc it promoted stagnation

this tbh. it can be leveled up as better advice if you add 'and don't be afraid to learn, change, and grow'

 

[Ikagura]

this tbh. it can be leveled up as better advice if you add 'and don't be afraid to learn, change, and grow'

Learning and growing are nice but changes doesn't always means to something better tho.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

No I didnt mean like that

Then what did you mean?

THIS!
...and the other analogous piece of trash, regressive anti-advice:
"You're perfect just the way you are!"
Starting in early childhood, I've heard these two phrases more times than I can count. I've deduced that anyone who tells you either of these things DOES NOT actually want you to improve, and be better than you were. The specific reason(s) for it can vary on a case-by-case basis, but it usually revolves around insecurity..
I will die on this hill..

Hmmmm if being yourself means a complete menace then yeah you do need a change from the root

While I'm with you that change is a must for personal growth and growing up it doesn't mean scrapping your entire personality and creating a new one from scratch.....yeah sure cutting the bad habits IS positive change and it's when the advice you and Xdqwerty mentioned are told to someone who indulges in pretty harmful habits and behavior when i can confidently say it is BS

 

[Xdqwerty Xdqwerty]

Then what did you mean?

Like, I was talking about improving as a person instead of stagnating

 

[Ikagura]

Like, I was talking about improving as a person instead of stagnating.

But saying "be yourself" doesn't mean that (as I understand)...

 

[Xdqwerty Xdqwerty]

But saying "be yourself" doesn't mean that (as I understand)...

Well thats how I interpret it

 

[Ikagura]

Well thats how I interpret it.

It seems like this topic has been leading up to confusion.

Then what did you mean?



Hmmmm if being yourself means a complete menace then yeah you do need a change from the root

While I'm with you that change is a must for personal growth and growing up it doesn't mean scrapping your entire personality and creating a new one from scratch.....yeah sure cutting the bad habits IS positive change and it's when the advice you and Xdqwerty mentioned are told to someone who indulges in pretty harmful habits and behavior when i can confidently say it is BS.

I was kinda confused about it.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Are you unironically using the term midwit? I mean it's like one of those 4chan buzzword that means nothing in reality.

Yes... yes I am..

A "midwit" (as opposed to a dimwit) is someone of roughly average IQ (within one point of standard deviation) who purports themselves to be of a much higher IQ.

There is actually a huge overlap between a "midwit" & "pseudo-intellectual.."

And what philosophical point? It's just a video game forum, we don't need to get deep.

For starters, ever played Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver? Plus, the vast majority of RPGs delve into differing levels of philosophy. Your argument is (laughably) invalid..
With that said, assuming you won't touch any of my previous points..

 

[autopsyexperiment autopsyexperiment]

Learning and growing are nice but changes doesn't always means to something better tho.

yeah. changes in my context [charitably] assumed someone is changing to be a better person, not worse, especially in how they interact with others. either way, you've got a point because changing in either direction can and will cause friction.

 

[Ikagura]

Yes... yes I am..

A "midwit" (as opposed to a dimwit) is someone of roughly average IQ (within one point of standard deviation) who purports themselves to be of a much higher IQ.

There is actually a huge overlap between a "midwit" & "pseudo-intellectual.."

For starters, ever played Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver? Plus, the vast majority of RPGs delve into differing levels of philosophy. Your argument is (laughably) invalid..
With that said, assuming you won't touch any of my previous points..

Okay but no need to act like that, can we keep a good vibe in this topic please? I wouldn't want a mod to lock it up.

Personally I think that being ourselves just means not trying to put a mask or pretend to be someone that isn't what we are. Of course we can always improve but that doesn't mean becoming something entirely different nor unrelated to what we used to be.

As for video games some can tackle philosophical subjects but personally I care more about the gameplay over anything else simply because they are meant to be entertainment products. I mean there's nothing wrong with not caring about philosophy when playing games because some people just want to have fun (even MGS is fun because it's a good stealth game under the story it's telling).

Also I don't mind Souls Reaver but I prefer Zelda overall.

Maybe it's a bit of a hot take but a video game doesn't need to try being deep to be good either.

 

[Metroid_Hybrid]

Hmmmm if being yourself means a complete menace then yeah you do need a change from the root

While I'm with you that change is a must for personal growth and growing up it doesn't mean scrapping your entire personality and creating a new one from scratch.....yeah sure cutting the bad habits IS positive change and it's when the advice you and Xdqwerty mentioned are told to someone who indulges in pretty harmful habits and behavior when i can confidently say it is BS

Ever tried heavy weight-lifting, attempted to learn a difficult skill, or become more charismatic?
Boom... there you go..

 

[Ikagura]

Ever tried heavy weight-lifting, attempted to learn a difficult skill, or become more charismatic?
Boom... there you go..

I'm curious but why the need to be more charismatic?

Isn't it something natural from someone and honestly I don't really care about being charismatic nor being around people, I just prefer to be discreet...

Difficult skill can be learnt but would it be useful? If that has limited use wouldn't that be a bit of a waste of time?

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Like, I was talking about improving as a person instead of stagnating

Oh yeah that's completely valid

On a side note that means going out and asking for help IRL qwerty.....THAT'S change and improvement for you , doing exactly what you despise or hate when you know deep down inside is actually helpful IS called positive change in some cases it's called "discipline"

Its honestly funny how contradictory your take on "being yourself" while refusing to change and go out of your comfort zone you are in fact "being yourself" here for the better or worse

 

[Ikagura]

On a side note that means going out and asking for help IRL qwerty.....THAT'S change and improvement for you , doing exactly what you despise or hate when you know deep down inside is actually helpful IS called positive change in some cases it's called "discipline"

That's the word I wanted to search, thank you.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Ever tried heavy weight-lifting, attempted to learn a difficult skill, or become more charismatic?
Boom... there you go..

Yes , yes i did

I'm on a constant self improvement journey , i went from a complete pussy in social situations someone who's so afraid of speaking or even moving to not attract others attention to an absolute social animal.....while still being a gamer kek

I learned how to workout at home and gained immense confidence AND actual muscle growth , i do push ups , setup ups , pull ups and squats and thinking about adding more exercises but i been slacking off for sometime now and i need to get back on track regarding my workout discipline

Hell i reached 400 push ups per day so much so my back started to hurt


I'm the sort of person who knows this task or skill is difficult but go straight in RUSH B style , it's actually fun figuring out and learning difficult things cuz it feels so rewarding