games that every one hate's but you don't hate.

Oof 12 years ago...

I actually still follow some ex-screwattack members, and they openly admit that their early content was cringe and just absurd opinions which today they openly disavow.

Take PBG for example. Watch his modern more Zelda video's where he is admitting his opinions in his early vids was just basically ridiculous and baseless.
(So basically clickbait).

There really wasn't any legit SMB2 hate back in the day, at least as I personally recall anyway.

I didnt like their calling wind waker cel shaded crap and I yearend for something that was more research heavy like Jeremy Parish, but I miss screwattack. it was a fun place full of nerds saying whatever they wanted, such a big variety of creators too, so cool to browse through; a big departure from most game sites trying to be all professional and "proper"

Really? Who do you follow craig? james?
 
I also have nostalgia for Screwattack's content – that was where I watched AVGN and Unforgotten Realms (REMEMBER THAT???), so I naturally cross-pollinated to Stuttering Craig and Handsome Tom's videos – and I thought their lists sucked, too. They called Sonic R the worst game in the series (wrong), called Sonic CD the best (wrong), and infamously once showed an unfinished fan-game in a line-up of official titles (wrong, but humorous). I don't think either of those guys knew as much about video games, especially non-Nintendo ones, as they put on. The only list they did that I actually liked was the sex scenes one, because – well, nevermind.

He was 10 years old in the year 2000...
I was 2, and I love the American SMB2! ;)
 
I believe many reviewers didn't like Light Crusader on Sega Genesis but to me it was fantastic.
 
I also have nostalgia for Screwattack's content – that was where I watched AVGN and Unforgotten Realms (REMEMBER THAT???), so I naturally cross-pollinated to Stuttering Craig and Handsome Tom's videos – and I thought their lists sucked, too. They called Sonic R the worst game in the series (wrong), called Sonic CD the best (wrong), and infamously once showed an unfinished fan-game in a line-up of official titles (wrong, but humorous). I don't think either of those guys knew as much about video games, especially non-Nintendo ones, as they put on. The only list they did that I actually liked was the sex scenes one, because – well, nevermind.


I was 2, and I love the American SMB2! ;)

They're right on sonic cd ^^

I always saw it as two dudes just talking about games, even if they're wrong about rockman

 
Omg, I just realized I mixed up screwattack with normalboots. Sorry! XD haha

I believe many reviewers didn't like Light Crusader on Sega Genesis but to me it was fantastic.
In the genesis heyday I really wanted to try that game, but I never got around to it.

Would you say it's still worth a try today?
 
I remember screwattack put it on the top 10 worst mario games

Many didnt know its very much still got the mario dna, it was made by some of the same people that made mario bors (the arcade game), and it was based on a concept Miyamoto and Tanabe had for a sequel to smb

Another misconceprtion is that mario 2 jap was left there because it was too hard, no one who worked for nintendo of america at the time ever said this
I played Mario's Game Gallery so much, you don't even know. I started off with the demo of Go Fish and eventually found a boxed copy of the game and got to try the other mini games out. They were all fun, especially chess and checkers! But man me and my family used to quote Mario all the time when playing the Go Fish demo.
 
For me it has to be 7th Saga. I bought it when it came out, beginning of my senior year back in the fall of 1993. Was immensely addicted to it. For some reason, it encapsulated what the fall months have always meant to me...slow, quiet, brown, often times dragging on...but also strangely calming. Yeah cringe, I know, but it really resonated with me. I beat it right before Christmas (When I got Secret of Mana) and it just really hit that RPG junkie inside of me. The one that craves grinding, difficulty, and robots. I still play it every fall with a random hero. I don't do the fan hacked or "balanced" ones, just the regular US rom in all its original imperfect glory.
7th Saga... I've only heard of and beaten that game this year. Going into it totally blind, it was a truly memorable/painful experience. I had to unlearn most of what I knew about JRPGs to understand how to beat it. Each fight was intense, especially against the other apprentices. To be honest, I only beat the game after looking up the infinite Lux stat boost glitch.
I can't say I recommend it, but I do not regret playing it either.
 
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Daikatana embodies this feeling for me.

I see it a bit as raw ore... can see the potential gleaming within.

And knowing about its development softens my opinion even further... it's a miracle it came out at all!
 
Ive seen people crapping all over Tarzan on the ps1, but it's a nice game! Looks good, sounds nice, it's not Klonoa but it's a good enough simple platformer to breeze through

Chaos Legion on ps2 is also good I dont know whats up with youtubers trashing it; the only problem is that capcom USA screwed up the difficulty so jap hard is normal, making the game super grindy for no good reason
As long as you pick easy first it's a nice mosuo-style game with a very unique puppet mechanic and nice music and atmosphere

The same goes for Nanobreaker, yeah it's no devil may cry but it's still good in its own right and it's very technically advanced

Fire Emblem Fates does have a crummy story and terrible translation but once you install fan english patches + undub it's got pretty fun mechanics, its got a ton of variety and it's fun to mod and mess around with cheats, lots of unique maps, very well animated, good music, good dlc maps..
You can do a lot worst

Sonic CD is amazing if you dont play it like sonic 2 and play it like a 2d exploration game
Over the PS1 Tarzan game?? I played that game a crap ton as a kid and even in my teenage years i replayed the game and I still thought it was fantastic.
Surprisingly Disney had a couple of decent to good hits at the time.
Tarzan, Hercules, Donald Duck going Quackers, some PC aladin games is what comes to mind
 
Over the PS1 Tarzan game?? I played that game a crap ton as a kid and even in my teenage years i replayed the game and I still thought it was fantastic.
Surprisingly Disney had a couple of decent to good hits at the time.
Tarzan, Hercules, Donald Duck going Quackers, some PC aladin games is what comes to mind
Every youtube video Ive seen on disney ps1 games says its crappy, I bet they've only played it for the video for 30 minutes
Disney made really good games for the ps1, the atlantis game looks so gorgeous, spot on like the movie

The game boy color version of tarzan also has really really good animations, and the game was actually meant to come in a Rumble cartridge! It's still programmed for one, so if you play it on an everdrive it Will rumble

The prototype still has it
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I was surprised but I think everyone hates Bubsy? I have been seeing people talk shit about Bubsy for years. Not only does my sibby and I love the first one (even though sometimes you'll get just massacred via its cartoonish nonsense) we also loved the second one! Cause you could play as a little Bubsy nephew (if I remember correctly) and throw pies at anything from anywhere on the screen. To be honest though, I kinda mish-mash this game and Rayman together. Did Bubsy 2 have an instrument level where you can fall on the instruments and play them? Or was that Rayman?

Either way I think people hate Bubsy.

For me it has to be 7th Saga. I bought it when it came out, beginning of my senior year back in the fall of 1993. Was immensely addicted to it. For some reason, it encapsulated what the fall months have always meant to me...slow, quiet, brown, often times dragging on...but also strangely calming. Yeah cringe, I know, but it really resonated with me. I beat it right before Christmas (When I got Secret of Mana) and it just really hit that RPG junkie inside of me. The one that craves grinding, difficulty, and robots. I still play it every fall with a random hero. I don't do the fan hacked or "balanced" ones, just the regular US rom in all its original imperfect glory.
No, I totally get this. You're not being cringey. You're being human. No worries =)! It's cool that something 16-bit could affect you in such a way. Sometimes I think about how certain experiences can only be experienced within x-time and that each iteration makes us more indifferent to the prior ones. I was playing Blood Roar the other day and if I had to be honest - it's an ugly ass game. I mean mad, mad ugly. But I think when I first played it, it was the coolest thing I had ever seen in my life. I had never seen such "ultra realistic" graphics. I mean, woah! Is that what a real wolf man would look like? It's cool when stuff can grab you like that.

Hilariously the last thing that hit me like that was The Changeling. Which is cool because it's old af. I never saw it until recently, and I watched around half of it with my mouth agape because I really dug what it was putting down. With absolutely nothing, as compared to what they do nowadays. I hope I have a few more of those "whoopie" moments in my lifetime. Cause it's cool when something can literally take you out of a space where we've got actors doing whole schticks on a green screen with millions of bucks per scene and just see some guy with a beer gut running around a Victorian house with baby powder and artificial webbing. I know I am not selling it, but really it's great =P!
 
Pac-Man 2. That side scrolling point and click one. Its no great game, but it is worth playing, and physically and emotionally abusing the poor guy is always funny
 

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I like Deadly Towers. It's flawed for sure. But also very innovative for the time. There's a lot of variety in terms of environment. Eventually you get used to the constant droning music. If the enemy spawn rate was lowered, the fire rate was fixed and you didn't have to constantly worry about falling to your doom it would be a much better game.
 
I was surprised but I think everyone hates Bubsy? I have been seeing people talk shit about Bubsy for years. Not only does my sibby and I love the first one (even though sometimes you'll get just massacred via its cartoonish nonsense) we also loved the second one! Cause you could play as a little Bubsy nephew (if I remember correctly) and throw pies at anything from anywhere on the screen. To be honest though, I kinda mish-mash this game and Rayman together. Did Bubsy 2 have an instrument level where you can fall on the instruments and play them? Or was that Rayman?

Either way I think people hate Bubsy.
As someone that grew up with the Sega Genesis, I don't get the hate for Bubsy, at least the 1st game. It's not completely terrible like most people make it out to be. I believe the main issue is that people that try to play Bubsy try to play it like Sonic just because he can run fast and jump and glide. I notice that there's a large group of gamers that like to always be running when it comes to platformers. Super Mario Bros is the biggest example of this, as a lot of people like to hold the B button down while they play. I never believed platformers were meant to be played that way. There are moments (sometimes a lot of them) where you're SUPPOSED to take your time and collect things so that you aren't constantly dying within 5 minutes.

Does the 1st game have flaws? Absolutely. The 1 hit death and falling damage are the two big ones that I can think of that throw a monkey-wrench into the game. Should it be considered one of the worst games ever and have the reputation it has? Not really. It controls well, you have 9 lives to use to dick around and get used to the levels, and while the level themselves do get harder with each stage, they aren't impossible.

The only thing I don't like about the 2nd game is that they messed with Bubsy's speed and made him 2x as fast, which doesn't really work for the levels in 2, which are more condensed and cluttered than the 1st game.
 
Yo! Glad to know that someone else thinks that Sonic R is amazing. I LOOOOVED the PC version as a kid.

Nice! I also owned the PC version, despite having a saturn at the time ironically. Yeah I also enjoyed it, good memories playing all the courses leading up Radiant Emerald stage. That soundtrack is blissful.
 
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After years hearing of its infamy I decided to give Virtual Hydlide a chance and was pleasantly surprised by it. Once you get past the framerate(it is abysmal) you have an insanely ambitious game that was doing stuff back in 95 you didn't see become commonplace until around ten years ago.
 
While I can't say I love the game, I don't hate Hydlide like a lot of people do. It's very simple sure, but for action RPGs in 1984, it's not bad at all. I know some people just probably expected Zelda when they tried it here in the West and were probably very put off by the bump combat, but I would argue you could have done a lot worse on the NES than the port of Hydlide. Outside of one BS puzzle (well, unless the manual happens to give you a tip about it - it's also different in the NES version than in the MSX2 version, which is what I played) and the music (especially in the MSX2 version), I cannot in good conscience call the game truly bad. I had fun with it. For what it's worth though if I'm going to replay a Hydlide game, it's Super Hydlide. That game rules.

After years hearing of its infamy I decided to give Virtual Hydlide a chance and was pleasantly surprised by it. Once you get past the framerate(it is abysmal) you have an insanely ambitious game that was doing stuff back in 95 you didn't see become commonplace until around ten years ago.
Is there a way to get the framerate higher or at least more stable in emulation? I've been curious about the game but the framerate is so bad in spots from what I've seen that I haven't bothered to grab it. From what I understand, the game is a remake of the first game, right?
 
Because i dont have that kind of game. i'll say in opposite way: I just hate all Mario games (apart from Super Mario Bros from NES). Nintendo should burn in hell for Mario and his derivates. Especially for what Nintendo done with developers of the game "The Great Giana Sisters*" in 80s.

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* - Which for me is a really better than Super Mario from NES
 
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I absolutely love Ultima IX Ascension (PC). A lot of fans of this series despise this game. And i know that the plot and lore was altered/dumbed down/unfinished and it was a buggy mess (even with patches) but holly molly a 3d interactive enviroment, (rudamentary) item physics, spell crafting system, action focused combat, great visuals (okay this is a lie, they aged horribly but the art style and designs are still nice), amazing music all in cRPG from 1999r. It was a complete departure from the series formula but I spend countless hours on this game and I abolutely loved it!
 
While I can't say I love the game, I don't hate Hydlide like a lot of people do. It's very simple sure, but for action RPGs in 1984, it's not bad at all. I know some people just probably expected Zelda when they tried it here in the West and were probably very put off by the bump combat, but I would argue you could have done a lot worse on the NES than the port of Hydlide. Outside of one BS puzzle (well, unless the manual happens to give you a tip about it - it's also different in the NES version than in the MSX2 version, which is what I played) and the music (especially in the MSX2 version), I cannot in good conscience call the game truly bad. I had fun with it. For what it's worth though if I'm going to replay a Hydlide game, it's Super Hydlide. That game rules.


Is there a way to get the framerate higher or at least more stable in emulation? I've been curious about the game but the framerate is so bad in spots from what I've seen that I haven't bothered to grab it. From what I understand, the game is a remake of the first game, right?
As far as I'm aware there's no way to beef up the framerate due to the engine it used. I might be wrong I only played it on native hardware. As far as it being a remake goes yeah it sort of is. The plot in the original and this are so bare bones they're basically the same.
 
The English localization of FE: Fates is where the magic of video games died for me. I was a huge fan of the Fire Emblem series beforehand, and Awakening was a fantastic rebirth, but the sheer amount of content outright removed from Fates – not to mention the absolutely atrocious translation you've already posted – made buying the game impossible, and honestly tainted the series for me (I've still never played an entry past Awakening and have zero desire to do so).

Then they did the exact same thing with #FE, which is the game I was really looking forward to, and I never trusted a professional Japanese-to-English translator again. Frankly, AI can't get here soon enough.
I have recently started on using local translations tool, both pre-compiled and AI driven ones. People have also already begun making tools for locally translating games in real-time, like ones used to translate RPGMaker games. It is still a year or two away from full maturity, but we are already there, so expect tools that would translate and both help in translation of large games for small team of enthusiastic translators - and I do mean translator, not localizers - in the near future.

I am also of the opinion of not getting recently localized games and instead actually learning Japanese. Most of us won't be living in Japan to learn 'proper' vocal JP, we simply want to enjoy the original works how they were intended, with their puns word-games and onomatopeias.
 
Over the PS1 Tarzan game?? I played that game a crap ton as a kid and even in my teenage years i replayed the game and I still thought it was fantastic.
Surprisingly Disney had a couple of decent to good hits at the time.
Tarzan, Hercules, Donald Duck going Quackers, some PC aladin games is what comes to mind
102 Dalmatians is hugely underrated too. the way Goin' Quackers is a Crash Bandicoot clone, Dalmatians is a Spyro the Dragon clone. it's baby's first platformer a bit, pretty easy but surprisingly long and just a lot of fun for a relaxing chill game with quite a bit of mini games and multiplayer stuff to do. I loved it as a kid and going back to it am always surprised how well it holds up, it's on PSX and Dreamcast. I also loved the Tarzan game, played it at a friend's on PC and got it on 64 a few years later. there's a GBA disney tarzan game that's also really good, for whatever reason it came bundled with mine and I recently remembered it existed and played it on my everdrive and it was much better than I expected.

as far as the topic question, there's quite a bit of games people hate that I like, but I have a high tolerance for janky buggy games that suck because I get some sick enjoyment out of laughing at the absurdity of them. so that kind of game isn't really fair to throw in the conversation. there are some games that reputation has shifted on, like Donkey Kong 64 or Castlevania 64 which were liked at the time but as time has gone on people have looked back at more negatively. in DK's case I get why, but I still think it's a good game, and in CV64's, I'd rather play SotN but I don't think they ever really sucked, it has it's issues but I think the AVGN video way back when is a big part in the reputation today, I don't love either of them but the 64Vanias aren't bad games. Silent Hill 4, I liked it then and still do today. a lot of people dislike Resident Evil 0 also but it might be my favorite one.
 

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