Your takes on AI art

[NobodyHere]

I know right? I mean, it's not like it's rocket science or something. The concept itself isn't really hard to grasp. To be fair though they're probably saying this out of frustration and anxiety that they can lose their jobs. Which is completely understandable btw. I'm not saying it isn't. What I don't like, though, is people spreading misinformation. As the proverb says, "there is none so deaf as those who will not hear".

If AI art is stealing then human art is stealing too. No matter what people try to tell, nobody can truly create things from scratch, not even humans. Everyone takes inspiration from the works of other people to create their own art. Sounds familiar, right? It's the same process that AI uses.

Yeah. Blame the people, not the tools. The tools themselves are a marvel of humanity's achievements, progress and knowledge. They're beautiful. The people are not. Just throwing blind hate out of frustration is a waste. If you really want to hate something, which again is completely understandable, at least direct the hate against the people actually responsible of this, not on a tool.

My problem with it is artists are getting their work put into them without their permission, or users of Ai are artificially creating lifeless imitations of their work. Some have even outright said their objects to their art being use or mimicked by Ai, but are still victims of it.

Humans have genuine passion and life experiences that leak into their art, Ai does not. Humans are going to end up adding personal touches even if they’re one for one tracing. When a human studies an art style it’s because they have an appreciation for the art and the artist. They have to spend hours of their own time trying to understand why/how the artist made their style and art the way it is.

Ai are incapable of forming that connection and as for those who have the Ai do it for them, clearly they don’t genuinely appreciate it either if they don’t even bother to try to understand for themselves why the style is the way it is.

The problem is that the tool is being used for its intended purpose and that purpose is harmful. If it wasn’t in some way the tools fault we wouldn’t be having this discussion

 

[Deleted member 322096]

My problem with it is artists are getting their work put into them without their permission, or users of Ai are artificially creating lifeless imitations of their work.

AI don't really make imitations of other people's styles unless they're prompted to. Which, again, is a problem of the people using the tool, not of the tool itself.

Some have even outright said their objects to their art being use or mimicked by Ai, but are still victims of it.

Honestly, I kinda agree there. People should be free of choosing what they want to do with their data. I'm not really informed about the "gathering training data" aspect of all of this though, but I'm sure there are ways to opt out too. Would be probably kinda illegal if there weren't.

Humans have genuine passion and life experiences that leak into their art, Ai does not. Humans are going to end up adding personal touches even if they’re one for one tracing. When a human studies an art style it’s because they have an appreciation for the art and the artist. They have to spend hours of their own time trying to understand why/how the artist made their style and art the way it is.

Ai are incapable of forming that connection and as for those who have the Ai do it for them, clearly they don’t genuinely appreciate it either if they don’t even bother to try to understand for themselves why the style is the way it is.

Not necessarily. There is passion in making AI art too. It's just a different type of passion. Creating AI art isn't just asking ChatGPT to draw something. There's a lot of work and passion involved if you get past that part. You have to figure out the right prompts, explore the different models, and a lot of other stuff. It's a rabbit hole bigger than you think. And I can assure that the enjoyment AI artists feel in creating their art is no less than traditional artists. If companies use AI to replace humans then, whether it actually is the intended purpose of the AIs or not, it's still their fault for using the tools in this ways. Not AIs. The AI themselves may not be able to feel that enjoyment, but people that use the AI to create art do. And don't forget that there are people who, for any reasons, can't even do traditional art even if they want to. Maybe it's a skill issue, or maybe they're physically impaired and they can't even hold a pencil. It wouldn't be right to deny those people the opportunity to make art too. Even if they don't hold the pencil or draw themselves—the soul behind the art is still human.

The problem is that the tool is being used for its intended purpose and that purpose is harmful. If it wasn’t in some way the tools fault we wouldn’t be having this discussion

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[NobodyHere]

AI don't really make imitations of other people's styles unless they're prompted to. Which, again, is a problem of the people using the tool, not of the tool itself.

Honestly, I kinda agree there. People should be free of choosing what they want to do with their data. I'm not really informed about the "gathering training data" aspect of all of this though, but I'm sure there are ways to opt out too. Would be probably kinda illegal if there weren't.

Not necessarily. There is passion in making AI art too. It's just a different type of passion. Creating AI art isn't just asking ChatGPT to draw something. There's a lot of work and passion involved if you get past that part. You have to figure out the right prompts, explore the different models, and a lot of other stuff. It's a rabbit hole bigger than you think. And I can assure that the enjoyment AI artists feel in creating their art is no less than traditional artists. If companies use AI to replace humans then, whether it actually is the intended purpose of the AIs or not, it's still their fault for using the tools in this ways. Not AIs. The AI themselves may not be able to feel that enjoyment, but people that use the AI to create art do. And don't forget that there are people who, for any reasons, can't even do traditional art even if they want to. Maybe it's a skill issue, or maybe they're physically impaired and they can't even hold a pencil. It wouldn't be right to deny those people the opportunity to make art too. Even if they don't hold the pencil or draw themselves—the soul behind the art is still human.

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I’m going to say more thing before going silent on this thread because I think I’ve already said a lot and I’m not mean to be aggressive just have a lots of thoughts on this. One last thing because this really bothers me

I really hate those who claim it ‘makes art more accessible’, act like art is some gatekept thing because they’re too lazy to actually learn to draw. Especially grinds my gears because art is one of the most accessible things in the world, fuck you don’t even need arms to draw! Those who use it rob themselves from an extremely important experience, drawing is literally good for one’s brain and body (helps memory, communication, motor skills, problem solving, so on)! Prioritizing AI garbage feels like such an insult when so many have put their soul into their creations

Going to quote my first response on this thread. All you need to do art is something to mark with, something to be marked, and an idea

 

[GardeniaSky's icon GardeniaSky GardeniaSky]

My problem with it is artists are getting their work put into them without their permission, or users of Ai are artificially creating lifeless imitations of their work. Some have even outright said their objects to their art being use or mimicked by Ai, but are still victims of it.

Humans have genuine passion and life experiences that leak into their art, Ai does not. Humans are going to end up adding personal touches even if they’re one for one tracing. When a human studies an art style it’s because they have an appreciation for the art and the artist. They have to spend hours of their own time trying to understand why/how the artist made their style and art the way it is.

Ai are incapable of forming that connection and as for those who have the Ai do it for them, clearly they don’t genuinely appreciate it either if they don’t even bother to try to understand for themselves why the style is the way it is.

The problem is that the tool is being used for its intended purpose and that purpose is harmful. If it wasn’t in some way the tools fault we wouldn’t be having this discussion

One could develop a model from 100% their own portfolio. Generative AI isn't at fault, it's the people developing models by scraping stuff off the internet.

 

[Deadpuppet]

What do you think about it?

I'll start:

In my honest opinion, I think its kind of like a "plague", can't look anywhere without seeing it...
Recently, shops in my area started using it. Why can't they get a picture off the internet, or, hire an artist? Its totally BS in my opinion.

soulless

 

[stealthRUSH stealthRUSH]

All artificial intelligence 'art' (pictures, music, etc.) is slop.

 

[Segadude113]

it has meme potential but that's it.

 

[DEH]

I don't see AI as a threat, it can help us but clear rules are needed and that's the problem. I don't think that they will do something like that actually, you can worry more about AI than about people because people will surely misuse it for nonsense. No idea how to deal with this but I repeat it needs clear and safe rules!

 

[Retro Doomer]

I am more accepting of AI art as long as it is not used commercially, and the person should not claim that they drew it when AI did it. However, creating pictures for yourself or for sharing is perfectly fine with me. I also believe that AI makes creating pictures much more accessible, so I don't understand the outright hatred toward AI art, as it seems like some kind of modern witch hunt. I say, if you want to use AI to create pictures, then do it; if you don't, then don't because we still have the freedom of choice.
However, regarding games and movies, I believe AI should not be used commercially unless for non commercial parody work.

 

[_oBSOLEte_]

I think it's pathetic and a waste of server space and bandwidth.

 

[rootCompute]

It's an active drain on society, both in terms of energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions but also on all of us mentally. It degrades people's sense of reality. It devalues the power of human creativity. It's part of a hype-based speculative bubble in a tech industry devoid of innovative concepts, driven by ghoulish oligarchs

AI should be taking over menial tasks to give us more space to be creative, not taking over creative tasks so that all we have left is menial labor

 

[Varyag]

It's an active drain on society, both in terms of energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions but also on all of us mentally. It degrades people's sense of reality. It devalues the power of human creativity. It's part of a hype-based speculative bubble in a tech industry devoid of innovative concepts, driven by ghoulish oligarchs

AI should be taking over menial tasks to give us more space to be creative, not taking over creative tasks so that all we have left is menial labor

said really everything I wanted to say. it's just degrading to people's minds, it's making people forget how to do their work while at the same time covering all of their entertainment, reading and art with homogenously generated slop. spreading misinformation and just being wrong all the time.

I can't want for this bubble to burst, even though I know it'll never go away now. It will be used for very very evil things in the future.

 

[Segadude113]

said really everything I wanted to say. it's just degrading to people's minds, it's making people forget how to do their work while at the same time covering all of their entertainment, reading and art with homogenously generated slop. spreading misinformation and just being wrong all the time.

I can't want for this bubble to burst, even though I know it'll never go away now. It will be used for very very evil things in the future.

It should be fair game then. Fight fire with fire. Use AI to outsmart the megacorps.

 

[IyoTheHelpfulWolf]

I'm hoping that once FOSS generative AI technologies mature, it could amplify those with creative ability rather than replace them. Soulless corps will make souless shit regardless and underpay their artists regardless, and independent creators that couldn't make shit before won't be able to make anything worthwhile now. Ubisoft games and Disney movies have lacked soul long before we've been having this discussion.

But look at how good Clair Obscura is having been made by 50 people. Now imagine if that the same game could be made by 10-25 talented people in the same amount of time, combining the efficiency of AI with the creative passion of a small, dedicated team of artists and programmers. AAA studios, Hollywood, etc. would be obselete rather than artists and said artists could keep a bigger cut of the money.

Maybe these growing pains will lead to a renaissance, which I think would make up for the way these AIs are trained. If not, and this just ends up another get rich quick scheme like crypto and NFTs before it, then I think that's less an issue with AI specifically, and more a weakness in how economies currently work: that less work being necessary to make more stuff means more people starve, but I'm far from knowledgeable enough about socioeconomics to propose a solution.

 

[Segadude113]

I'm hoping that once FOSS generative AI technologies mature, it could amplify those with creative ability rather than replace them. Soulless corps will make souless shit regardless and underpay their artists regardless, and independent creators that couldn't make shit before won't be able to make anything worthwhile now. Ubisoft games and Disney movies have lacked soul long before we've been having this discussion.

But look at how good Clair Obscura is having been made by 50 people. Now imagine if that the same game could be made by 10-25 talented people in the same amount of time, combining the efficiency of AI with the creative passion of a small, dedicated team of artists and programmers. AAA studios, Hollywood, etc. would be obselete rather than artists and said artists could keep a bigger cut of the money.

Maybe these growing pains will lead to a renaissance, which I think would make up for the way these AIs are trained. If not, and this just ends up another get rich quick scheme like crypto and NFTs before it, then I think that's less an issue with AI specifically, and more a weakness in how economies currently work: that less work being necessary to make more stuff means more people starve, but I'm far from knowledgeable enough about socioeconomics to propose a solution.

All I ever see AI do is copy and/or paste. Expedition 33 did well because it was a passion project.

 

[IyoTheHelpfulWolf]

All I ever see AI do is copy and/or paste. Expedition 33 did well because it was a passion project.

All tech starts somewhere. Did video game devices start out being able to provide experiences like Clair Obscura? The first console with swappable games was the Magnavox Odyssey. That thing gave you two or three dots on a screen and a bunch or real life board game pieces and screen overlays. It's very unlikely that even a game as good and immersive as Super Mario Bros. would have been possible on this device with 1000's of talented programmers and artists, much less a modern release of today's standards. But decades later, a team of 50 people were able to leverage modern technology to make an immersive magnum opus. It's very possible that, overtime, generative AI can go from a soulless parlor trick to a powerful creative tool that enables even greater things....or it could end up another ponzi scheme like cryptocurrency and NFT did. But I'm hopeful for the former.

 

[Veytra]

I think AI art and AI as a whole is absolutely going to ruin the digital space within the next 20 years tops. At first it was an interesting novelty and I saw AI as fairly useful for things such as holding notes, just as a database I could use to easily refer back to things. Now every time I decide to check out what is happening in the world on my social media 60% of the things I see are AI generated.

With the speed in which AI is becoming more sophisticated, I am worried for not just artists but the internet as a whole!. After all what is the purpose of art if the artist has no creative expression of its own.

We need to hard reset the internet back to cat videos and sneezing pandas...

 

[Segadude113]

I think AI art and AI as a whole is absolutely going to ruin the digital space within the next 20 years tops. At first it was an interesting novelty and I saw AI as fairly useful for things such as holding notes, just as a database I could use to easily refer back to things. Now every time I decide to check out what is happening in the world on my social media 60% of the things I see are AI generated.

With the speed in which AI is becoming more sophisticated, I am worried for not just artists but the internet as a whole!. After all what is the purpose of art if the artist has no creative expression of its own.

We need to hard reset the internet back to cat videos and sneezing pandas...

I have a few suggestions. Alternate sites like Spacehey and Neocities or even forums like this. We need a new YouTube alternative too if we want to watch videos made by actual people. That will give others a place to go to as well. I mean just look at how Bluesky exploded in popularity recently. People clearly want alternatives.

 

[Adrastia]

I think AI art and AI as a whole is absolutely going to ruin the digital space within the next 20 years tops. At first it was an interesting novelty and I saw AI as fairly useful for things such as holding notes, just as a database I could use to easily refer back to things. Now every time I decide to check out what is happening in the world on my social media 60% of the things I see are AI generated.

With the speed in which AI is becoming more sophisticated, I am worried for not just artists but the internet as a whole!. After all what is the purpose of art if the artist has no creative expression of its own.

We need to hard reset the internet back to cat videos and sneezing pandas...

AI is going to change everything. Technology is going to rapidly advance within our lifetimes. I mean it already has in a way. But we may live to see things we thought were only the stuff of dreams and science fiction. I'm not sure what to think of this. Like any type of tech, the power is in the hands of who wields it.

Dead internet theory feels so more real now. Bots everywhere. I wouldn't want to see a future where people lose their social skills completely because they just communicate with others via AI prompts. People already would rather text than voice call. I think that AI communication functions could be great for people with disabilities. But it can also foster learned helplessness in people who misuse it because it's just easier.

Getting back to art, when you mentioned cat videos it got me thinking. Content farms are notorious for stealing content and putting it into compilation videos with no credit given to the original uploader. THat's why I feel bad about watching funny pet compilations and the like. With better AI advances those people will be able to just make realistic looking content instead of stealing it. Not sure if that's better or worse. But it's coming. Don't forget stuff like Five Minute Crafts and their ilk. Even more ways for kids to burn themselves making nonsense recipes.

 

[Retro Doomer]

I don't know this Youtuber nor do I know the Content of His Character and Channel as I only found this Video as I find that there should be some Defense for AI art as it should not be tackled emotionally but with facts and logic.

 

[DEH]

I think AI will still cause many discussions !

 

[_oBSOLEte_]

AI users cringe is pathetic, but it can be entertaining for five minutes. Just to realize how desperate people are that they now have to rely on silicium to even think and be creative.

Still is a waste of CPU and bandwidth tho, and will never be considered Art to begin with. I wished moderation would recognize it as spam and act accordingly, as it will be detrimental to the site in the long run. But most moderation out there is using AI nowadays and we live in the age of stupid.

 

[nathman]

(1. It is not art. There is no intent to express anything, it's just words on a prompt. At best, it's a tool to make visual and/or aural (because music is also art) content. At worst, it's meaningless slop.

(2. It can only compile a bunch of images to copy from and create the "best" image out of that. In other words, it's bland. All it can do is make the "most appealing" templates for the user to paste their given prompts onto. Every single AI image I have ever seen either winds up looking the same, or it just looks like a bad copy of something else. There is nothing that makes you curious as to who or what created it, because there's nothing special about any of it.

 

[LightningmanEXE]

I love art of AI, I am one myself.

If you are referring to generative ai images, which is not art, I think it's something that could have at one point been fine in a vacuum, but we are well past the point of understanding that the implication of it are too damaging to allow it's use. it's an inherently evil tech with no practical use which has caused untold suffering, damage, and destruction to the human mind, society, and the environment.

 

[YULEcannon]

It proves that the general public doesn't care about art, or the people who make it. I had a hunch seeing as all the greats I learned about in school died broke.

Doesn't matter if it looks good or not. AI art is quick and easy, so they get the product in their hands a lot sooner.

This is that "progress" people in the business world keep harking on. It's great for them, because they don't need to pay a person anymore when the machine can cough up images in different sampled styles a lot quicker.

I'm not as bothered about this today as I was initially. It's good to know the main reason behind why no body cares about the things you produce, instead of being left to assume improvements should be made on your part. I'm free to experiment and not worry about fitting into an imaginary quality standard of my own nervous making.

Years of pent up bitterness over just how messed up society really is has been helping me cope.