Why is Banjo Kazooie considered better than the Spyro games?

[trickybus]

Still trying to play through Banjo and i've started to notice I think one of the things that bothers me the most is how often your objectives just feel like busy work. Theres a lotta stuff I feel Banjo gets away with making you do that people would complain about in other platformers. Like Spyro has shit occasionally that just feels like that or just kinda wastes your time but it feels like thats such a big chunk of Banjo. Like shitting eggs in a basket 5 times isnt particularly engaging or fun to me lol. And theres a lot of missions that are like that and its just kinda nothing.

Also reporting in after a couple of hours in Banjo Kazooie. The combination of clunky underwater controls and an awful camera are making me want to play something else.

I drowned in Clanker's Cavern while trying to turn the key because the camera got stuck inside the anchor and I couldn't see where the air bubbles were. Normally, I wouldn't care about dying except I have to recollect all the music notes I already found. There are 100 of these fucking things in each level. I can see a kid with all the time in the world enjoying something like this but as an adult, I don't have the patience for a game that actively wastes my time.

 

[ThatOneLum]

Also reporting in after a couple of hours in Banjo Kazooie. The combination of clunky underwater controls and an awful camera are making me want to play something else.

I drowned in Clanker's Cavern while trying to turn the key because the camera got stuck inside the anchor and I couldn't see where the air bubbles were. Normally, I wouldn't care about dying except I have to recollect all the music notes I already found. There are 100 of these fucking things in each level. I can see a kid with all the time in the world enjoying something like this but as an adult, I don't have the patience for a game that actively wastes my time.

Even when I was younger, I found the game a bit much. It was always in that general bracket of N64 games that felt never-ending because they meandered so much.

 

[MemeAlert]

Also reporting in after a couple of hours in Banjo Kazooie. The combination of clunky underwater controls and an awful camera are making me want to play something else.

I drowned in Clanker's Cavern while trying to turn the key because the camera got stuck inside the anchor and I couldn't see where the air bubbles were. Normally, I wouldn't care about dying except I have to recollect all the music notes I already found. There are 100 of these fucking things in each level. I can see a kid with all the time in the world enjoying something like this but as an adult, I don't have the patience for a game that actively wastes my time.

You know you can hold the R button to turn quicker while underwater.

 

[trickybus]

You know you can hold the R button to turn quicker while underwater.

The same button to snap the camera to Banjo's back, correct? I haven't noticed a quicker turn while using it. Wouldn't have helped me anyway because the camera didn't feel like cooperating.

I wouldn't mind the controls if I didn't have to recollect the music notes. This isn't the first and won't be last game I play with controller/camera jank. By itself, the jank is fine. Combined with "repeat the first half of the level to recollect notes because fuck you" is obnoxious.

 

[Mago]

Also reporting in after a couple of hours in Banjo Kazooie. The combination of clunky underwater controls and an awful camera are making me want to play something else.

I drowned in Clanker's Cavern while trying to turn the key because the camera got stuck inside the anchor and I couldn't see where the air bubbles were. Normally, I wouldn't care about dying except I have to recollect all the music notes I already found. There are 100 of these fucking things in each level. I can see a kid with all the time in the world enjoying something like this but as an adult, I don't have the patience for a game that actively wastes my time.

Yeah that section is particularly awful. I think that's often considered the worst level along with Rusty Bucket bay. The note collecting thing wouldnt bother me nearly as much if you didn't need the vast majority of notes just in order to beat the game. But yeah the swimming controls are a pain.

 

[MemeAlert]

The same button to snap the camera to Banjo's back, correct? I haven't noticed a quicker turn while using it. Wouldn't have helped me anyway because the camera didn't feel like cooperating.

I wouldn't mind the controls if I didn't have to recollect the music notes. This isn't the first and won't be last game I play with controller/camera jank. By itself, the jank is fine. Combined with "repeat the first half of the level to recollect notes because fuck you" is obnoxious.

I don't get people who complained about collecting notes in Banjo Kazooie.

 

[Coon]

I don't think Banjo Kazooie is better than Spyro no idea who spreads such rumors.

 

[Mago]

I don't get people who complained about collecting notes in Banjo Kazooie.

It's not colleting them that's the problem, it's having to recollect them if you die before finishing collecting them. And you need most of them to beat the game. And recollecting them just isn't particularly fun when Banjo isn't the funnest character to control to begin with.... especially underwater.