Toxicity in games

[Leon]

Is the casual tf2 player also a creature of habit who will gravitate back to 2fort ctf at every opportunity?

None can compete against the 2fort meta even to this day in other games in the genre.

 

[Shihainin]

yeah i can be pretty toxic when i know the report system in a game is practically useless. it depends tho like i never start the toxicity but if an idiot starts to be toxic with me im not muting him or quitting im just getting more toxic until the match ends or he quits. it happened a lot when i regretfully played league but thanks to god and the support of my family i uninstalled it.

when i say getting more toxic i mean stuff like throwing slurs spamming the chat throwing the match i think all guns are allowed in a toxic fight do whatever you gotta do to make the other guy quit. his quitting will become your victory and bring honor to your family name.

Not even joking I became a much happier and mellow person after quitting my League addiction years back. My friends still sometimes egg me on to play with them, which is usually fun, but it's not a game I particularly care about anymore.
Honestly sad to see people talking about how they've been clean off that shit like they're at a drug addict's anonymous meeting.

 

[Mr. SyS]

I like toxicity. People today are too sensitive.

 

[ShellYT]

I'd say there's negative toxicity and positive toxicity. The former creates nothing, not even a laughter, veers into pure hatred that feels personal and propagates like a virus (i.e League of Legends, an excellent case study). The latter is a sign of authenticity, can make people laugh, is said without real inner hatred, just outward, like old Call of Duty XBOX Live lobbies where everyone's dad worked at Microsoft and were going to ban the other kid for 'cheating' and insulted his entire genealogical tree. It's also a sign of free-speech if nothing is censored in that part, and I liked the old internet for that, the positive toxicity, as I see it (example of positive toxicity below).

When you restrict those interactions people just end up never talking at all anymore, might be paranoid of anything that they could say that would get them banned, or always have to contain their frustration which can make the game seem 'pointless' to play since you can't interact with others, and might change games and move on.


Example of positive toxicity (old net):

 

[lytrid]

Is the casual tf2 player also a creature of habit who will gravitate back to 2fort ctf at every opportunity?

None can compete against the 2fort meta even to this day in other games in the genre.

2fort and Dustbowl. Voting any other map puts the tf2 player out of their comfort zone (only Upward and Badlands are accepted sometimes).

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

2fort and Dustbowl. Voting any other map puts the tf2 player out of their comfort zone (only Upward and Badlands are accepted sometimes).

You've said it. It applies to many old FPS (and multiplayer games in general)...

 

[lytrid]

You've said it. It applies to many old FPS (and multiplayer games in general)...

TF2 players aren't even the worst offenders.
I cannot fathom how some CS 1.6 players have only been playing de_dust2 for 20+ years.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

TF2 players aren't even the worst offenders.

I have barely played the game in the start of the year but I feel disconnected to the current fanbase sadly...

I'd say even TF and TFC are also having many 2Fort 24/7 servers.

I cannot fathom how some CS 1.6 players have only been playing de_dust2 for 20+ years.

I totally understand Counter-Strike as a revolutionary multiplayer FPS for its time but I also am confused about people doing the same thing over and over... It's almost as if they aren't skilled enough to adapt to any new environment. Dust2 is a well balanced map but should it be seen as "the best map ever"?

I think it's the same psychology behind people listening to the same song they love.

 

[ShellYT]

I have barely played the game in the start of the year but I feel disconnected to the current fanbase sadly...

I'd say even TF and TFC are also having many 2Fort 24/7 servers.

I totally understand Counter-Strike as a revolutionary multiplayer FPS for its time but I also am confused about people doing the same thing over and over... It's almost as if they aren't skilled enough to adapt to any new environment. Dust2 is a well balanced map but should it be seen as "the best map ever"?

I think it's the same psychology behind people listening to the same song they love.

To make this reply not off-topic, i'll say that I agree. And also, sorry I didn't receive the notification of your post on my profile, I don't think I have the perms to reply to posts on my profile yet, lol. Likely at level 1 or something, and i'm at level 0. I'll reply once I have the perms, lulz.

 

[strawberry29]

not all trash talks can make you get mad, some can be funny and straight up stupid, i rarely see people trash talk but the last trash talker was a kid in cod because i keep killing him lol, not to mention when they lost he screamed and half of the people started to laugh at him lol ngl it was funny

 

[Blackbird]

I left behind any online gaming in 2017.

Indeed. You can had lots of controversies. But harassment and threats aren´t part of them.

 

[Netra]

You won't stop toxicity criminalizing players. You'll just have a more active group of people looking for ways to make each other lose their minds and get penalized. The current LoL is a very clear example of this. Anything minimally useful to annoy is used by a big part of players.
The only way is to let the players themselves respond to that toxicity with more toxicity and regulate themselves with useful ban systems.

 And most importantly, IF IT'S NOT A GAME FOR CHILDREN, BOTH THE INTERNET AND ONLINE GAMES ARE NOT THE WORLD'S DAYCARE.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I see that it went from the wild west of vocal chat to the polar opposite where someone can get banned just because of a negative remark (without any insults nor slurs) because it's possible to report if somebody says they're bad at the game.

Not to count faulty AI that can mishear a word for another (because it's not perfectly designed, imagine if Spanish speaking people are talking and if you know the word for black in their language you can see where it could lead).

And most importantly, IF IT'S NOT A GAME FOR CHILDREN, BOTH THE INTERNET AND ONLINE GAMES ARE NOT THE WORLD'S DAYCARE.

Sadly because of that we're getting penalised yeah...

 

[Neb Lleb]

Sadly because of that we're getting penalised yeah...

Well, the cracks have formed and human rights campaigns are in full swing to combat these penalties, but these things take time.

 

[Netra]

Not to count faulty AI that can mishear a word for another (because it's not perfectly designed, imagine if Spanish speaking people are talking and if you know the word for black in their language you can see where it could lead).

YouTube do this all the time with Spanish creators, Twitter do the same.

 

[88cmflak]

Toxic is hilarious when it was intended at other people. But when it directly aimed at you it's kinda annoying.

Still this only works in online interactions. When it comes to real-life interactions (like super smash bros championship) it's simply cringe and immature.

 

[90snomad]

I'm ready to go

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

YouTube do this all the time with Spanish creators, Twitter do the same.

Imagine having to have to adapt your native language because the overlords' find that some of your mundane terms are offensive... Isn't that weird?

It reminds me of the story of that one guy getting locked out of his house because apparently the automated system thought he said something racist. I don't know if he actually did it but while he could get a fine (or sued) if he said it I don't think a company should be able to lock out someone.

Toxic is hilarious when it was intended at other people. But when it directly aimed at you it's kinda annoying.

Still this only works in online interactions. When it comes to real-life interactions (like super smash bros championship) it's simply cringe and immature.

Wait, they do that in championships? Damn... All of that for a children fighting game.

 

[ShellYT]

Wait, they do that in championships? Damn... All of that for a children fighting game.

Instructive.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Instructive.

Thank you.

Sadly a game genre about beating the hell out of your opponent is more likely to bring individuals that would find pleasure from it (while doing it in a socially acceptable way ie within a virtual space).

 

[Nickakyoin]

It didn't happened that many times. But when it did it was really annoying.

• Team Fortress 2: the annoying children in cp_harvest that keeps shooting at me with friendly fire off for no f*cking reasons. And sadly you can't report/kick them out in every server, so had to endure their stupidity every time I spawned back.
• Playing fighting games on GGPO (mainly JoJo's Bizarre Adventure): a guy called "sf2feilong" (maybe to someone will be familiar here. Or maybe not ahah) was always there to partecipate in 1v1 and keeping offending and flexing how better he was in fighting games. I'm pretty sure there was no blocking option, so sadly I had to mostly logged in only with few friends that I could play with. And just ignore this idiot that was always spewing toxicity in the GGPO chat.
• I guess other few times it happened with League of Legends and Pokémon Unite (these are MOBAs so they're extremely easy targets sadly), but only once with strangers. The rest, unfortunately, with real life people I knew back then. People are so imbecillistic to forget that people can still have to learn mechanics and wants to play to enjoy. Getting serious and focus when it's needed, sure, but to kick out aggressively it becomes a problem.

 

[Naltic]

You encountered it at one point all of us certainly had a toxic encounter with another player in a game we played online we all know how it looks like and how it feels.

However there is something to toxicity in games where trash talking each other and even sometimes throwing slurs at each other creates for memroable and even fun moments.....is toxicity that harmful? Did it ever made you reach a point where you quit a game because of it?

Did you engage in toxic behavior yourself? Did you rage at someone during a multi-player game? I certainly did i also done my fair share of trolling in games ruining games people in lobbies were waiting to fill up for 2 hours straight!


Whats your opinion on toxicity? I find it necessary to keep a certain balance into the game community if everyone was so nice it will become mundane and boring but if everyone was so agitated and toxic it would also become boring and will push away newcomers what do you think...

Honestly, I don't care much to bother showing a reaction to something unfair that happens to me in a game. Like sure, I get irritated, but at the end of the day, I am playing a game, so there's no real reason to react the way I see some people react. It's that and also that I am too poor to be throwing around controllers, keyboards, mice and the like.

 

[Tonberry]

Instructive.

Man I gotta defend this compilation, because it's like my favorite video on the internet lol

I think this video is more a phenomenal example of the positive ways people get competitive in the FGC moreso than the cringe pop-offs and people being assholes, and definitely an example of why fighting games are the ultimate competitive video games, as it's not a team going up against another team on separate rigs away from each other, but two individuals battling each other as virtual character stand-ins. It's like light-speed chess.

People being deliberately larger-than-life and hyping each other up is just wonderful. The Poongko Onisan shirtless fight is magic

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Team Fortress 2: the annoying children in cp_harvest that keeps shooting at me with friendly fire off for no f*cking reasons. And sadly you can't report/kick them out in every server, so had to endure their stupidity every time I spawned back.

That's why I avoid any online game with any form of FF or avoid those servers like the plague.

Playing fighting games on GGPO (mainly JoJo's Bizarre Adventure): a guy called "sf2feilong" (maybe to someone will be familiar here. Or maybe not ahah) was always there to partecipate in 1v1 and keeping offending and flexing how better he was in fighting games. I'm pretty sure there was no blocking option, so sadly I had to mostly logged in only with few friends that I could play with. And just ignore this idiot that was always spewing toxicity in the GGPO chat.

Sadly fighting games will always have that one "turbo-nolife" that you'd encounter often, especially on semi dead games.

 

[Lod 10]

I don't know if anyone believes it but I'm going to tell you a story about how I was playing a game for my YouTube channel. I was testing the characters so I could learn how to play with them and I fell with ub.I fell out with the person and the person started to insult me saying that I'm not good, these things, but I don't know if he was insulting me saying I was very mine even though he made other comments like that.