The Threat of Collective Shout

[Retro Doomer]

Then you're in the same league than those american Moms for Liberty followers. If your desire is to censor everything that you're not "approving" and giving the subjective treatment of "unacceptable" then we can't agree on this.

Anime or cartoons are very different from real life stuff, and it's not a projection of what people wants in real life, you're wrong. Otherwise, thousands of kids would be stealing cars and killing people on street after playing GTA.

This is where we disagree one,and don't lump me into any groups just because I don't Support Predators and Pedo Shit.Being Attracted to a Child's body even if its ''100000'' Years old Dragon Girl who looks like a Child makes you a pedo is easy as that.And yes I am for banning Pedo Stuff as I am not a Sick Man.

Oh and its not ''Projection'' if it is a Anime or Cartoon ah yes I am sure that a Person gooning to a person that looks like a 10 year Old kid is not Attracted to a Kindergarten kid in real life that looks the same in appearance,come on you don't believe that yourself.

 

[KaiserMk7]

If it's not directly harmful, exploitative, or abusive, every flavor of problematic fiction under the sun must be allowed to exist and be monetized. We can never give an inch.

 

[iamthemilkman]

Then you're in the same league than those american Moms for Liberty followers. If your desire is to censor everything that you're not "approving" and giving the subjective treatment of "unacceptable" then we can't agree on this.

Anime or cartoons are very different from real life stuff, and it's not a projection of what people wants in real life, you're wrong. Otherwise, thousands of kids would be stealing cars and killing people on street after playing GTA.

I mean, there's ton of puritans on the other end of the ideological spectrum. Resetera and Reddit are full of them. They have more in common with puritanical religious zealots than they'll ever come to terms with.

 

[Burzuru]

i don't agree with the content of the games in question, but i also don't agree with censorship. this type of thing can become a slippery slope.

 

[qw90700]

People already have to opt in through their settings to even see porn games in the store.

Well Steam is black and white regarding it that makes it useless either way because you can either filter out "any game that has any tiny itty-bitty sexual element" that is broadly valid for lots of video games or you don't filter it and thus are exposed to porn games that's not distinguished between "ordinary games that has a slight sexual element in one scene" lol.

 

[nobitakun]

This is where we disagree one,and don't lump me into any groups just because I don't Support Predators and Pedo Shit.Being Attracted to a Child's body even if its ''100000'' Years old Dragon Girl who looks like a Child makes you a pedo is easy as that.And yes I am for banning Pedo Stuff as I am not a Sick Man.

Oh and its not ''Projection'' if it is a Anime or Cartoon ah yes I am sure that a Person gooning to a person that looks like a 10 year Old kid is not Attracted to a Kindergarten kid in real life that looks the same in appearance,come on you don't believe that yourself.

It's not like supporting it or not, it's just not allowing any kind of censorship. Censorship is bad because it does not come from the objective thought. If what you say were objective, all the people in this forum would agree with you but that is unlikely, and even so, you would decide for them when you censor it. That is the reality of censorship in this world, take it or leave it.

My motto is, as long as you don't harm any living thing, you can do whatever you want in your private life. And I have no right to censor any part of yourself, regardless of what you're doing, that's being highly invasive.

But, I am curious, imagine you find a girl on her early 20's but she looks like she's 15 years old (yes, they exist). Are you condening her to stay single until she looks on her 20's because otherwise anyone about her age would be a pedo? in my humble opinion, this is really dumb lol.

 

[rinkachi]

some horror games are already being attacked by collective shout

visa responded to 4chan saying "we do not decide morals blah blah we are just banning stuff that is illegal" and yet the games where "legal"

next they'll move on to other 18+ games probably like gta etc

 

[kamille]

Seriously depressed about the increase of censorship and the dystopian uk law that forces you to show your face online. If it ever comes to my country (finland) then I'm going to lose my mind. I already get attacked because of how i look or act irl the internet is the only place where I'm safe there is no other place for me. I'm not going to let them dox me. I'm not going to let them attack me.

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some horror games are already being attacked by collective shout

visa responded to 4chan saying "we do not decide morals blah blah we are just banning stuff that is illegal" and yet the games where "legal"

next they'll move on to other 18+ games probably like gta etc

This is going to end as well as banning alcohol did. People start to crave for things... Then they start thinking the real thing is better than the fictional one. Then it turns to action. Then organized crime gets involved. I'm not just talking about the fact they are banning porn if they ban violence and horror aswell then people will lose it because they have no entertainment or the ability to relax.

 

[qw90700]

It's not like supporting it or not, it's just not allowing any kind of censorship. Censorship is bad because it does not come from the objective thought. If what you say were objective, all the people in this forum would agree with you but that is unlikely, and even so, you would decide for them when you censor it. That is the reality of censorship in this world, take it or leave it.

However "censorship" is a necessary part of society to function properly which some of them are fundamental social laws that legalized a long time ago.

For example we wear clothes to hide our sexual organs as this is basic common sense of censorship. If you disagree to this then this is against common sense for example that will make society react "WTF dude" lol.

Lots of people support the censorship of public sex as a no-no. Not many people who are sane wanna see it. We also censor the idea of people shit in front of you.

The thing is, it's all about sanity and therefore common sense. This is not even about culture. Some parts of censorship will always be wanted and that's why they are a fundamental part of our society to begin with.

If we have to drag the topic to "I don't want governments and companies censor what I want", then we gotta allow insane people to do whatever insane they want. Naturally society has a mission to censor whatever is insane to keep society stable for the greater good and the future of humanity. For example it's necessary to make kids stay away from whatever might be traumatic or may make them have a habit of a bad lifestyle. It's good for mental well-being in a way lots of people may cannot imagine. Grow up with violance, while you may say "it didn't affect me" but you may not be aware why you love to self-sabotage your any good relationships in your adult life. Society is filled with legal insane people who are barely functioning as a normal person and most of them have the potential to be a criminal. It's just like half of them luckly didn't reach the point of murdering someone because luckly they were not triggered. Society is way more insane than people would realize because "acceptable and therefore manageable insanity" is what we have to accept as "normal", and to keep it "controlable insanity" some form of censorship is required.

In the end nothing is bad or good, it depends on how it is used. A knife can be a tool for murder and a tool for making delicious sandwiches. Censorship is no different. Society just look for an easy way to label behaviors as "good" or "bad" as if thus they will always do whatever is right when what is right is subjective lol.

What is to dislike is not censorship itself but what is censored and how it's censored. For example watch a movie and slur words are censored. I dislike it. This is an example of wrong censorship usage. To correct it you better give option to enable slur words because not everyone prefers lack of it. An insane person's right is sane person's wrong after all.

Perhaps gotta blame American society's wrong understanding of psychology. They believe subjective concepts can be objectively bad for everyone and this is the way they guide their own society, and then things get contradicting. Ban slur words because the word "fuck" will ruin a child but it's okay to make the kid watch people twerk shaking their ass in front of the kid lol. American society is my number 1 example for a society that how censorship used so wrongly, so then it make people grow up and believe "censorship is bad" just because most of the world got to know censorship thanks to Americans. Now they made even words for sex censored so cannot pick "male" or "female" character in video games as if they are slur bad evil words lol. Yet again, it's not that censorship itself is bad, I would dare to say whatever part of American culture is "bad" just because it's nonsense lol.

 

[kamille]

The protection act that effectively requires you to dox yourself is in eu too now. The internet which is the only place where i can be without being hated or mocked for my learning disabilities, autism, looks, and pretty much everything i do no matter what. It's all gone my last safe place in this world is now gone and i will rot away in depression. Thank you everyone who did this to me.

 

[A man on a computer]

Yes the content that is ban is obscene and sickening. Would I also support banning it? No, not in anyway.
But I can't help that some of the comments here specially this last one just grinds my gears a little too much.

However "censorship" is a necessary part of society to function properly which some of them are fundamental social laws that legalized a long time ago.

For example we wear clothes to hide our sexual organs as this is basic common sense of censorship.

With that logic laws preventing murder, theft, drug use, violence can also be seen as "censorship" So should we ban purchases of fiction that shows any kind of these things too, right?

In the end nothing is bad or good, it depends on how it is used.

"Nothing is good or bad, except when it is good or bad."

Naturally society has a mission to censor whatever is insane to keep society stable for the greater good and the future of humanity.

Yes corporations controlling how you spend your money should defiantly decide what's best for humanity.

For example it's necessary to make kids stay away from whatever might be traumatic or may make them have a habit of a bad lifestyle.

Okay, Jack Thompson... Gotta keep those Grand Theft Autos and the Gears of Wars away from the kids.

 

[elwynd16x]

So what? No more mascot horror using colorful imagery to expose children to violent imagery at a young age, no more degenerate fetishes taking presidence over sex-positive romance in fiction, no more "artists" that produce all this slop while gatekeeping fandoms with their army of minions.
I don't support the cause, but I sure do support a little bit of adversity weeding out the posers who were never in it for the love of the game.

 

[kamille]

So what? No more mascot horror using colorful imagery to expose children to violent imagery at a young age, no more degenerate fetishes taking presidence over sex-positive romance in fiction, no more "artists" that produce all this slop while gatekeeping fandoms with their army of minions.
I don't support the cause, but I sure do support a little bit of adversity weeding out the posers who were never in it for the love of the game.

You are the kind of people i utterly hate. You don't understand what else these people have already banned and if the dox yourself to use internet law from uk spreads to other places it means I'm no longer safe online. People attack me irl for my autism, learning disabilities, looks, and pretty much everything else. If i need to show my face everywhere on the internet that will be the same thing here too. There's no longer a single place in the world I'm safe in.

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[nobitakun]

However "censorship" is a necessary part of society to function properly which some of them are fundamental social laws that legalized a long time ago.

For example we wear clothes to hide our sexual organs as this is basic common sense of censorship. If you disagree to this then this is against common sense for example that will make society react "WTF dude" lol.

Lots of people support the censorship of public sex as a no-no. Not many people who are sane wanna see it. We also censor the idea of people shit in front of you.

The thing is, it's all about sanity and therefore common sense. This is not even about culture. Some parts of censorship will always be wanted and that's why they are a fundamental part of our society to begin with.

That's why I clarified anyone can do whatever they want as long as they don't harm any living thing. Privately, at your home, you are entitled to do whatever you want if you follow that rule, any censorship rule should keep you from accomplish it.

You are the kind of people i utterly hate. You don't understand what else these people have already banned and if the dox yourself to use internet law from uk spreads to other places it means I'm no longer safe online. People attack me irl for my autism, learning disabilities, looks, and pretty much everything else. If i need to show my face everywhere on the internet that will be the same thing here too. There's no longer a single place in the world I'm safe in.

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How old are you? seriously, if you have some issues with society to the point you're hiding from it, start to learn how to get over it. I am not telling you should learn about it, I am advicing you're going to require to learn it in order to have a healthy working life, earn money and live by yourself.

Do not expect, ever, for people to commiserate about you regardless of your situation, it's not their duty, but that also plays in your favour.

 

[Retro Doomer]

The protection act that effectively requires you to dox yourself is in eu too now. The internet which is the only place where i can be without being hated or mocked for my learning disabilities, autism, looks, and pretty much everything i do no matter what. It's all gone my last safe place in this world is now gone and i will rot away in depression. Thank you everyone who did this to me.

Yeah that really sucks and we both know this law is not really to protect Children but to better control us so that we don't say or watch anything naughty in the Eyes of our Benevolent Government.Its really weird that such laws a proposed both in Right Wing America where they plan that also and in Left Wing Europe and that at the Same Time really weird if you ask me.

Anyway Regardless of any Conspiracy Theories its weird how such ''different'' Governments completely align on such things and that at the same time pretty much just saying.
Anyway what Tyrants hate the most is a free thinking Populace that can freely Inform itself.So naturally they want to prevent that by forcing you to doxx yourself so that you are very Careful what you consume not that the Orwellian State arrests you for a Thought Crime.

Those who give up Freedom for Security deserve neither and will loose both.

For Legal Reasons that are Obvious Jokes as I would never ever promoted Conspiracy Theories and only what the Government says is true of course as they would never lie to us and are Kind and Benevolent and not Corrupt and Evil Sadists at all,the second and First Amendment must be pretty nice luckily we don't have those in Germany as we don't want to upset our Perfect Beings called Politicians and we are totally free and can absolutely say what we want.

 

[kamille]

That's why I clarified anyone can do whatever they want as long as they don't harm any living thing. Privately, at your home, you are entitled to do whatever you want if you follow that rule, any censorship rule should keep you from accomplish it.

How old are you? seriously, if you have some issues with society to the point you're hiding from it, start to learn how to get over it. I am not telling you should learn about it, I am advicing you're going to require to learn it in order to have a healthy working life, earn money and live by yourself.

Do not expect, ever, for people to commiserate about you regardless of your situation, it's not their duty, but that also plays in your favour.

And i was right. You are mocking me, i hide from people because they don't want me. No matter how hard i work or how i try to improve I'll always be that paranoid schizophrenic autist to them. I can't change what other's think with my own actions so it's better for me to stay out of the way of people who have more value as human beings than me. It isn't "some issue" with society its about people being hostile and dismissing towards me no matter how i act. It's literally not safe for me to be around other people. I think they will kill me, and yes part of this is about my mental health being bad but still... It's not like anyone cares they just give me more and more medicine so i can just shut up and be a robot for them. I'm already mentally incapable of living by myself because my mental health has gotten so bad. I studied for year's because i wanted to be chef but no one hired me unless i work for free as a slave for them! What more do you people want from me!? How should i bow down to all of you today? I've tried ive really tried i want to be a normal person. But people just keep abusing me.

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Yeah that really sucks and we both know this law is not really to protect Children but to better control us so that we don't say or watch anything naughty in the Eyes of our Benevolent Government.Its really weird that such laws a proposed both in Right Wing America where they plan that also and in Left Wing Europe and that at the Same Time really weird if you ask me.

Anyway Regardless of any Conspiracy Theories its weird how such ''different'' Governments completely align on such things and that at the same time pretty much just saying.
Anyway what Tyrants hate the most is a free thinking Populace that can freely Inform itself.So naturally they want to prevent that by forcing you to doxx yourself so that you are very Careful what you consume not that the Orwellian State arrests you for a Thought Crime.
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Those who give up Freedom for Security deserve neither and will loose both.

For Legal Reasons that are Obvious Jokes as I would never ever promoted Conspiracy Theories and only what the Government says is true of course as they would never lie to us and are Kind and Benevolent and not Corrupt and Evil Sadists at all,the second and First Amendment must be pretty nice luckily we don't have those in Germany as we don't want to upset our Perfect Beings called Politicians and we are totally free and can absolutely say what we want.

There's really no globalist conspiracies or deep state or anything like that. It's just bunch of people with a lot of money so much so that they think they are immune to people hating them. All of the stuff they ban is big business for someone. So eventually they will run in to people with the same stack of money and fail miserably. When people want something they will usually side with the person that gives it to them.

 

[Retro Doomer]

Paranoia and Anxiety is a Bitch especially with the Hearth Pain it causes.And I wanted to write something more Clear on why and what makes it worse,but I don't need another Strong Hearth Pain at night that keeps me awake over the fear of getting thrown into the Gulag for Thoughtcrimes.
Jeez I wish I was in America not for the Government but for the Freedoms that yet still Exists like the First and Second Amendment wich don't exist in The Peoples Republic of Germany oh I Meant the Federal Republic of Germany.

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Okay, Jack Thompson... Gotta keep those Grand Theft Autos and the Gears of Wars away from the kids.

GTA Is actually not a Game that a kid should play and Playing it Online makes it even more Obvious with all the Irresponsible parents buying there Kids GTA5 so that they can screech and scream Online with there Headsets,also the Game has Prostitution in it so Kids should not be anywhere near that Games,its a Adult Only Game and it should be kept that way.

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There's really no globalist conspiracies or deep state or anything like that. It's just bunch of people with a lot of money so much so that they think they are immune to people hating them. All of the stuff they ban is big business for someone. So eventually they will run in to people with the same stack of money and fail miserably. When people want something they will usually side with the person that gives it to them.

Yes and No I would not be Surprised if Corrupt Politicians and Business Man would work Together on a common goal to earn as much Money as they can,and why shouldn't they its nothing new people always worked together to Archive a Common goal and Politicians and Businessman are no exception.And yet you can call them Globalists as they Organize Globally as we life in a Globalized world where you can earn money and Influence laws to benefit you and your Business Globally so why wouldn't a Billionair with to much money to spend do that.
Not that I would Imply that and our Chancellor in Germany doesn't work for Blackrock at all ha ha ha
Naturally that was all a Joke as I would never do a dirty Thought Crime Sir Officer no need to send me to the Gulag.
The Government is always Good and Never Corrupt and our Politicians are Perfect and they would never send the Police after someone for calling them a Dick in Germany Ha Ha Ha

 

[qw90700]

With that logic laws preventing murder, theft, drug use, violence can also be seen as "censorship" So should we ban purchases of fiction that shows any kind of these things too, right?

That's irrelevant because you misunderstood it, however your misunderstanding made you realize a concept that's valid in our lives. Basically age rating does censor such elements so kids won't experience them in whatever media they are exposed because they are illegal negative elements.

Law considers the logic of, until a person is mature which according to the law it means the person have necessary biological functioning for proper mental reasoning capabilities, therefore they are necessarily accepted as a person who knows what is right and wrong. This logic is the basis of age rating and censorship in medias that for example a video game has the age rating for adults when the game has a high gore level. That's okay for adults because they know what's wrong and bad, but censored for kids because they are not accepted to be able to understand why gore is bad. So playing Mortal Kombat 3 at home the law would expect little kids to wanna stab people randomly just to watch their blood splash around to replicate the gore scenes the kid saw and loved to watch it.

Laws and therefore society shouldn't have to care about your personal preference. If X can ruin society just better ban it selectively depending on age rating and how to get the restricted media because it's the most fair way to keep society healthy.

When it comes to mental health regarding how society can be negatively affected laws are not enough. There are lots of stuff has to be banned but they are subject of greedy capitalism therefore they sell you insanity and then they sell you its cure to make money.

In the end I see this censorship topic like the idea of "IDK why people are banned from buying nuclear bombs and throwing it to kill people, I shouldn't be prevented!!!". I honestly would love to have a free license to kill people but society cannot function in the way everyone gets what they want. For stable society people should be prevented from mental illnesses even if it means complete ban and censorship for the greater good.

Society shouldn't have to care just because some people are pervert it should be okay for Steam to sell porn games. World cannot revolve around you and whole society shouldn't have to live in the way you want. Due to increased population society should be more tolerant of personality differences of people by seperating what they do in what. For example if you necessarily make Steam a playground for porn this does not respect or care personality differences of people who really dislike such stuff. It means for a logical business you gotta seperate where and how you sell porn games. It's nonsense to expect one thing to do everything.

This is where what company supports comes in. The most popular payment processors makes business with lots of people. Because it's for general audiance topic they cannot offer service to everyhing, they have to limit their business for what is socially acceptable. So excuse them if they don't wanna help people sell their OnlyFans BS or buy some random rubbish porn game. If you want these BS then you gotta find your own way for it. A company doesn't have to care about what everyone wants. A company cannot function without their target customer profile and satisfying them. You cannot satisfy anyone, and you cannot satisfy everyone by doing what is not socially acceptable.

In the end your government controls your life, and company can control your life in the context of what the government allows. So this topic turns into "if you dislike how society works then live outside of any government's jurisdiction area". You can't just go against the flow and enforce your self-entitlement. You either will live with the society or will live without the society. If you have a complaint because of your personal issue changing society is not the way to get what you want. Either take it or leave it lol.

 

[nobitakun]

And i was right. You are mocking me, i hide from people because they don't want me. No matter how hard i work or how i try to improve I'll always be that paranoid schizophrenic autist to them. I can't change what other's think with my own actions so it's better for me to stay out of the way of people who have more value as human beings than me. It isn't "some issue" with society its about people being hostile and dismissing towards me no matter how i act. It's literally not safe for me to be around other people. I think they will kill me, and yes part of this is about my mental health being bad but still... It's not like anyone cares they just give me more and more medicine so i can just shut up and be a robot for them. I'm already mentally incapable of living by myself because my mental health has gotten so bad. I studied for year's because i wanted to be chef but no one hired me unless i work for free as a slave for them! What more do you people want from me!? How should i bow down to all of you today? I've tried ive really tried i want to be a normal person. But people just keep abusing me.

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There's really no globalist conspiracies or deep state or anything like that. It's just bunch of people with a lot of money so much so that they think they are immune to people hating them. All of the stuff they ban is big business for someone. So eventually they will run in to people with the same stack of money and fail miserably. When people want something they will usually side with the person that gives it to them.

If you reason your answers like this, means you're not <mentally disadvantaged>. Actually the opposite, autism is a treat of people who is smarter than the average. The problem is that being smart isn't enough in this society, and if you don't fight back they will use your intelligence like a handkerchief then throw you away when you're not needed, that's how the world works. You can be surrounded by good and nice people, of course, but that won't help you at all when you have to face life outside of that circle where you can't stay forever. Those people are a complement, not a replacement.

In ancient times, humans were fighting like animals, and animals have no time to be depressed because they can be killed any time. But having a little help in life is just as normal, because baby birds have their parents until they can fly. What they don't do is to keep them safe all the time, because everyone has its own life.

If there are people, or all people as you say, that does not give a fuck about you, mistreat or make your life miserable, keep looking for. I assure you not everyone is like that, but as you say your mental health is thinking opposite. Just keep trying :)

Paranoia and Anxiety is a Bitch especially with the Hearth Pain it causes.And I wanted to write something more Clear on why and what makes it worse,but I don't need another Strong Hearth Pain at night that keeps me awake over the fear of getting thrown into the Gulag for Thoughtcrimes.
Jeez I wish I was in America not for the Government but for the Freedoms that yet still Exists like the First and Second Amendment wich don't exist in The Peoples Republic of Germany oh I Meant the Federal Republic of Germany.

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GTA Is actually not a Game that a kid should play and Playing it Online makes it even more Obvious with all the Irresponsible parents buying there Kids GTA5 so that they can screech and scream Online with there Headsets,also the Game has Prostitution in it so Kids should not be anywhere near that Games,its a Adult Only Game and it should be kept that way.

I really surrender. You have some kind of movie conspiracy plot against Germany that makes you think America is the light at the end of the tunnel. That thinking you have about censoring is more like an american traditional parent's thinking. In my country I've never seen parents to go this paranoid or hard towards protecting children that they don't care about anyone else and they promote only their "right" way to do things.

Regarding GTA, you're saying basically what I was saying, that enforcing PEGI would be acceptable, so you keep children from playing GTA as that game is a PEGI18. Or 18 years old teenagers are not entitled to play GTA by your point of view? :O

 

[iisoide]

I think there's positives and negatives to this whole thing. Most of my games are on Steam Deck accessible offline or on the SD Card so I'm probably the least affected by this lol.

Obviously censoring games that are extreme for the sake of being extreme is fine (you know the ones). Simon Pegg had that quote from Criterion not that long ago, (paraphrased) 'art is supposed to make you uncomfortable' -- while I do agree with this, I think there is a very obvious line between games as art and the names of the games that I saw banned on Steam that this absolutely did not apply to, just like egregious trash that didn't really serve any purpose. But again, it should be up to Steam to remove those, not pressure from places like Visa and Collective Shout.

And then comes the actual 'games as art' that are affected. Mouthwashing, Red Dead, Yakuza--they just come to mind instantly but there is no doubt other examples like the Postal games. It becomes (and will be) very easy to overextend its reach unfairly over games that deal with topics like suicide, addiction etc., which I believe are still important to have around (see: Life Is Strange).

I remember in 2018 I went to a big literature event where one of the speakers (a professor in literature) talked about comic books and graphic novels as a type of literature and used Maus as an example of a graphic novel that could be banned in the future (which ended up happening in 2022 I believe).

Personally I think art, regardless of genre or medium, shouldn't be censored or restricted unless it is genuinely like the dirt worst of the worst where the differentiation between a medium made out of passion and love that covers sensitive topics sensibly and with respect, and creations that clearly have been made for the sake of shock value or no real 'purpose', is clear.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[Retro Doomer]

I really surrender. You have some kind of movie conspiracy plot against Germany that makes you think America is the light at the end of the tunnel. That thinking you have about censoring is more like an american traditional parent's thinking. In my country I've never seen parents to go this paranoid or hard towards protecting children that they don't care about anyone else and they promote only their "right" way to do things.

Regarding GTA, you're saying basically what I was saying, that enforcing PEGI would be acceptable, so you keep children from playing GTA as that game is a PEGI18. Or 18 years old teenagers are not entitled to play GTA by your point of view? :O

Oh yeah sure those a Movie ''Conspiracies'' against Germany that I have,despite the Information being freely available to look up also the Blackrock part is completely free to look up in regards to a certain Individual its not a Secret.And I never said that America is the light.America has problems and a lot of them at that but compared to the Peoples Republic of Germany its much better on a Freedom Sense.And I don't promote my only right way to think,but I draw a line when it comes to stuff that Harms Children as I am very much opposed to those.And better being a bit protective of vulnerable Children instead of letting them Consume every shit that can destroy there Childhood and make them Traumatized.

And Yes GTA should only be played at 18 Years old its a Adult game for fucks sake Age Restrictions exist for a reason.

 

[nobitakun]

Oh yeah sure those a Movie Conspiracies against Germany that I have,despite the Information being freely available to look up also the Blackrock part is completely free to look up in regards to a certain Individuals its not a Secret.And I never said that America is the light.America has problems and a lot of them at that but compared to the Peoples Republic of Germany its much better on a Freedom Sense.And I don't promote my only right way to think,but I draw a line when it comes to stuff that Harms Children as I am very much opposed to those.And better being a bit protective of vulnerable Children instead of letting them Consume every shit that can destroy there Childhood and make them Traumatized.

And Yes GTA should only be played at 18 Years old its a Adult game for fucks sake Age Restrictions exist for a reason.

Being protective is ok, using that excuse for censoring whatever you think is not "suitable" for a kid is a very different thing. My parents didn't censor me anything, they sat next to me and explained things like an adult, with the pros and the cons, everytime a problem raised or just because they felt to. That's the attitude that parents should embrace, but many of them have kids because "nature calls" and then don't care about making efforts on educating them, it's easier to send them to school and block everything, that's why they are paying right?

But yeah, I was once working in a videogame store that was enforcing PEGI, although 99% of stores don't do it in Spain, and kids were like "wtf, are you telling me I can't buy this game?" and then I tried to educate them in the same way my parents did to me. It worked surprisingly well, although I was telling them if they really wanted to buy those games they could, because that is the reality right now. Kids are kids, and their reasoning is what it is, but when you explain things in a "different" way to what they are used to they start to think with some perspective. Not treating them like kids who should obey whatever adults say is a really good start.

 

[qw90700]

And i was right. You are mocking me, i hide from people because they don't want me. No matter how hard i work or how i try to improve I'll always be that paranoid schizophrenic autist to them. I can't change what other's think with my own actions so it's better for me to stay out of the way of people who have more value as human beings than me. It isn't "some issue" with society its about people being hostile and dismissing towards me no matter how i act. It's literally not safe for me to be around other people. I think they will kill me, and yes part of this is about my mental health being bad but still... It's not like anyone cares they just give me more and more medicine so i can just shut up and be a robot for them. I'm already mentally incapable of living by myself because my mental health has gotten so bad. I studied for year's because i wanted to be chef but no one hired me unless i work for free as a slave for them! What more do you people want from me!? How should i bow down to all of you today? I've tried ive really tried i want to be a normal person. But people just keep abusing me.

Well what you wrote in this topic is what actually everyone thinks about themselves. These are facts, not "delusions that are part of a mental illness".

From outside I may seem positive, a complete ignorant fool who is not "aware" how real life is like a generic fool main character of animes or something lol but after decades of life experience I realized I'm the most pessimistic person I know yet I can actually live my life ok despite all these.

Yes, most people would kill you to get what they want. I just won't let them and that's it. Don't forget you can kill too. If a person wants to kill me then they make it "ok" to kill them.

Yes, most people judge you and for ego masturbation they insult you but they are just their opinion. It's annoying yet words cannot hurt me.

Society works in a way they sell you insanity to also sell you its cure, that's where acting and wearing your social mask comes in. Life is bad but gotta focus on good things to be yourself so you can live your life in a worthwhile way.

Yes, job market is established upon legal slavery. It's where the social war aspect of life comes in. If you wanna get what you want you often have to crush people who are after crushing you.

In the end world would be a good place if everyone was nice and it was so peaceful and serene so much even clouds pukes rainbow and rivers are made of honey but in this world we gotta live like a scientist soldiers in the context of we gotta be smart and wise to deal with problems and we gotta be a soldier to protect what we hold our so dear to us.

So world sucks but I ain't complaining, not because of the generic answer of "it happens to everyone and complaining won't make your life better", it's just if I was weak and let world defeat me this BS would suck way more than how world sucks. My pride is too high to allow myself being defeated. It makes me wanna be the best like no one ever was so I can make anyone regret being born when they crosses me. This is like "this is the way it's" situation so what else to do.

In the end I don't believe in "I can't" as long as it's not against laws of physics. What there is for me is "I will and I will try until I'll". I'll be a Terminator even can dodge nuclear bombs!!!!!

In the end mental health depends on your own believes. Yes we cannot be ignorant of reality, but part of your reality made of your own "should statements". For example I believe nothing is my problem as long as I don't consider it as a problem. Instead I see everything in the context of what benefits me or not, and what benefits me depends on what I want. So if I want something I won't care how high, I'll find a way to fly away. I won't care about obstacles, I always focus on what I want and how to get it.

So do I actually care what people think of me?: I'm too busy thinking about doing what I want so my "brain RAM" is too filled for it lol.

Do I care people "doesn't want me"?: I mean who would/should want me anyway? It has no benefit to me.

Well I also see that even if life thows me BS problems I can find a way to use this problems to my advantage to make it benefit for me. For example when I was young I was a total anarchist, then I understood using governments for my advantage is more beneficial for me instead of wanna live like a nomad outside of any government. Whatever problem you come up with and it seems like life forces you between 2 options there is always a 3rd option you can create for yourself. Life may be hard but it's not impossible, as long as you don't drag yourself down anything is possible in the context of what is okay for laws of physics!!! lolol

 

[Retro Doomer]

Being protective is ok, using that excuse for censoring whatever you think is not "suitable" for a kid is a very different thing. My parents didn't censor me anything, they sat next to me and explained things like an adult, with the pros and the cons, everytime a problem raised or just because they felt to. That's the attitude that parents should embrace, but many of them have kids because "nature calls" and then don't care about making efforts on educating them, it's easier to send them to school and block everything, that's why they are paying right?

But yeah, I was once working in a videogame store that was enforcing PEGI, although 99% of stores don't do it in Spain, and kids were like "wtf, are you telling me I can't buy this game?" and then I tried to educate them in the same way my parents did to me. It worked surprisingly well, although I was telling them if they really wanted to buy those games they could, because that is the reality right now. Kids are kids, and their reasoning is what it is, but when you explain things in a "different" way to what they are used to they start to think with some perspective. Not treating them like kids who should obey whatever adults say is a really good start.

I don't use it as a Excuse to Censor everything that I think Is not suitable as Age Restrictions exists and I am a firm Believer that there is stuff not suited for Children that they should not consume.
And yes I treat a Child like a Child because they are Children that doesn't mean I treat them Like Idiots but I won't give them a Beer either.
And In Germany we don't send kids to Schools because we want to its because we are forced by Law and that at Gunpoint if you don't comply,so we don't really have a choice and there are enough Parents that would love to homeschool there kids.
I also would not expose my Kids to degenerate stuff as I don't want to rot there brain with such nonsense,so I would not even give them Internet till there late teens as the Internet is no place for a Kid.
And I would also educate my Kids as best as I could if the time comes normally the kids come to you with the Questions and not the other way around,if you build a foundation of trust with them.

 

[kamille]

If you reason your answers like this, means you're not retarded. Actually the opposite, autism is a treat of people who is smarter than the average. The problem is that being smart isn't enough in this society, and if you don't fight back they will use your intelligence like a handkerchief then throw you away when you're not needed, that's how the world works. You can be surrounded by good and nice people, of course, but that won't help you at all when you have to face life outside of that circle where you can't stay forever. Those people are a complement, not a replacement.

In ancient times, humans were fighting like animals, and animals have no time to be depressed because they can be killed any time. But having a little help in life is just as normal, because baby birds have their parents until they can fly. What they don't do is to keep them safe all the time, because everyone has its own life.

If there are people, or all people as you say, that does not give a fuck about you, mistreat or make your life miserable, keep looking for. I assure you not everyone is like that, but as you say your mental health is thinking opposite. Just keep trying :)

I really surrender. You have some kind of movie conspiracy plot against Germany that makes you think America is the light at the end of the tunnel. That thinking you have about censoring is more like an american traditional parent's thinking. In my country I've never seen parents to go this paranoid or hard towards protecting children that they don't care about anyone else and they promote only their "right" way to do things.

Regarding GTA, you're saying basically what I was saying, that enforcing PEGI would be acceptable, so you keep children from playing GTA as that game is a PEGI18. Or 18 years old teenagers are not entitled to play GTA by your point of view? :O

Please please PLEASE don't start with the myth about autism being a gift that makes you smarter. Autism has not given me anything but suffering and mockery from people. So don't say that.... Just don't i know it's not true. People giving me false hope like that is the reason i am like this in the first place.

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Well what you wrote in this topic is what actually everyone thinks about themselves. These are facts, not "delusions that are part of a mental illness".

From outside I may seem positive, a complete ignorant fool who is not "aware" how real life is like a generic fool main character of animes or something lol but after decades of life experience I realized I'm the most pessimistic person I know yet I can actually live my life ok despite all these.

Yes, most people would kill you to get what they want. I just won't let them and that's it. Don't forget you can kill too. If a person wants to kill me then they make it "ok" to kill them.

Yes, most people judge you and for ego masturbation they insult you but they are just their opinion. It's annoying yet words cannot hurt me.

Society works in a way they sell you insanity to also sell you its cure, that's where acting and wearing your social mask comes in. Life is bad but gotta focus on good things to be yourself so you can live your life in a worthwhile way.

Yes, job market is established upon legal slavery. It's where the social war aspect of life comes in. If you wanna get what you want you often have to crush people who are after crushing you.

In the end world would be a good place if everyone was nice and it was so peaceful and serene so much even clouds pukes rainbow and rivers are made of honey but in this world we gotta live like a scientist soldiers in the context of we gotta be smart and wise to deal with problems and we gotta be a soldier to protect what we hold our so dear to us.

So world sucks but I ain't complaining, not because of the generic answer of "it happens to everyone and complaining won't make your life better", it's just if I was weak and let world defeat me this BS would suck way more than how world sucks. My pride is too high to allow myself being defeated. It makes me wanna be the best like no one ever was so I can make anyone regret being born when they crosses me. This is like "this is the way it's" situation so what else to do.

In the end I don't believe in "I can't" as long as it's not against laws of physics. What there is for me is "I will and I will try until I'll". I'll be a Terminator even can dodge nuclear bombs!!!!!

In the end mental health depends on your own believes. Yes we cannot be ignorant of reality, but part of your reality made of your own "should statements". For example I believe nothing is my problem as long as I don't consider it as a problem. Instead I see everything in the context of what benefits me or not, and what benefits me depends on what I want. So if I want something I won't care how high, I'll find a way to fly away. I won't care about obstacles, I always focus on what I want and how to get it.

So do I actually care what people think of me?: I'm too busy thinking about doing what I want so my "brain RAM" is too filled for it lol.

Do I care people "doesn't want me"?: I mean who would/should want me anyway? It has no benefit to me.

Well I also see that even if life thows me BS problems I can find a way to use this problems to my advantage to make it benefit for me. For example when I was young I was a total anarchist, then I understood using governments for my advantage is more beneficial for me instead of wanna live like a nomad outside of any government. Whatever problem you come up with and it seems like life forces you between 2 options there is always a 3rd option you can create for yourself. Life may be hard but it's not impossible, as long as you don't drag yourself down anything is possible in the context of what is okay for laws of physics!!!

I don't understand how any of what you say is relevant to what i said. Infact i don't understand what you're trying to say at all. But some of this... Especially the part where you said mental health depends on your own beliefs angers me. With things like paranoia and depression and panick attacks... Those won't stop happening no matter what you do or believe in. You can't just wish bad things away when they keep happening or ignore your own downwards spiral and pretend everything is okay when everything is falling apart.