Mental health thread

Kamako said:
Sorry for the wall of text, but I cannot in good faith say I believe that supposition to be true.
I fear that the notion "nothing matters", removes any objective personal responsibility.
"Everything matters" is actually a far more horrifying thought to contend with, I feel.

If life can be perceived as a series of systems, and each system can be said to run optimally or sub-optimally, then there is an "optimal" (best) way to act and to live, and a "sub-optimal" way. In every moment. In every instance.

But the weight of that responsibility is too much to bare. And also, there is no objectively agreed upon "best" way to act. Eventually, living in a way that is "best for me" enacted on a large enough scale, will inevitably encroach upon what is best for another. I wish there was a way I could neatly marry the objective position with the subjective position to overcome this problem.

But I can't. So I feel many, including myself, often surrender to positive nihilism. It's still a hell of alot better than some of the alternatives. But, who knows? Cynics will claim that saying "everything matters" leads to its own set of psychological neuroses and complexes anyway. Nothing "optimal" about those, unless it turns out that the best way to contend with an insane and disordered world is to observe it through an insane and disordered lens...but somehow I doubt it.

Sometimes I think it's best for my mental health not to consider the question at all.
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I can't really say I agree with all of this. I'm not really looking to debate this in the Mental Health thread however, as the subject matter has the potential to turn rather dark, so I'll just agree to disagree. I can't really discuss this without also discussing death, and I don't feel comfortable doing that here.
 
Xdqwerty said:
I think i'm internally becoming a money addict
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I know that feeling its like tommy from mafia said about greee I can't recall the exact quote but he said that basically you start off wanting something simple like a suit then a car then a luxurious car then a house etc etc etc I think its greed its instilled in us.

Ever since I worked I had a different look at money always opting to optimize everything so I can spend the least amount while trying to get the most out of what I spend , sometime ago I helped some guys unload a cargo I had this inner feeling for when we get the reward just to be disappointed when I got nothing made me go home a bit mad I think I'm starting to become a full time capitalist can't help being the son of a merchant has its role XD
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ShanaFlameHaze said:
Not here to went, but I will share with you my life journey in hopes that it may inspire and help others to overcome their darkest moments.

When I was a kid, I was extremely shy and filled with anxiety. To the point of not being able to hold a conversation with anyone else but my parents. It was really unpleasant, I could not even go to a store and was constantly bullied throughout the whole time I was in school. People that were my "friends" were bullying and making fun of me.

But, at a certain moment, something changed. I realized I don't need these fake friends that were bullying me. I completely dropped everyone from my life and focused on improving myself. Each day, little by little I became more confident. I trained my mind and body in complete isolation. The only people I would interact with were my parents, but even then just for essential matters. Video games and anime were my only companions in this period. It may seem childish, but I learned a lot from fictional characters and helped me develop. Some of them served as my role model (Zack Fair from Crisis Core Final Fantasy)

This took me many years, but eventually I got at a decent enough level that I could take care of myself. I have gained some confidence and self-esteem, but along the way I lost the ability and will to make new human connections. But slowly I have been able to make new friends and generally better connect with those around me.

TL;DR: Moral of the story is that if someone like me who had 0 confidence and was bullied constantly for half of his life can turn his life around, I believe that you can too! Just take small steps every day, improve yourself little by little and you will reach your goal! If that is not possible, at least try to make the most of your life. Life is extremely limited and fragile, so try to enjoy it as much as you can!::alucard
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Can relate I got thrown into life suddenly having to navigate social interactions on my own at 17 attending classes I couldn't handle it social anxiety was through the roof the realization of me being a grown up was soul crushing.

2023 was a good gaming year but a piece of garbage for my real life , neglecting my workout and everything else but just for the memes yes I always keep a good hygiene at all time even at my worst , in 2024 I got a taste of WORK what it feels like working and I choose the worst "first" job ever....steel rolling while being out of shape was a struggle I realized from day 1 at work that this is my future if I don't get a degree I would end up being worked to death in some steel factory under unforgiving conditions its then when my something in my mind snapped I WOULDN'T GO DOWN EASILY I didn't want to spend this as the rest of my life so I made the decision to study again not that I dropped out from school I just failed spectacularly.

So in 13/4/2024 I get off the internet I get off the lap its time to put in real hardwork and in the following 9 months up till 13/1/2025 I would spend some of the best time of my life , getting in shape again , actually STUDYING consistently and FINALLY for so long being able to understand math a subject I considered myself a dumbass at and a subject I saw myself never passing through sheer determination of wanting to succeed and it being my last chance as I relied on my parents to finance the studying as I can't work and study at the same time really...9 months of becoming a better person , waking up early tho sometimes I did wake up late these were less productive days honestly , I finally got that energy to do stuff I'm no longer lazy back then in 2022/2023 I would find putting on my jeans a hustle and a huge task lol now its so easy and smooth its like nothing , yes I still find exploring new things or going to new places a bit anxiety inducing but its something in the human mind to perceive new things that way.

Gaming helped so much in those 9 months I found gaming be both blessing and curse , but currently its a blessing hehe introducing me to worlds like Final Fantasy which helped me become a lot more positive and motivated , made me feel emotion like sympathy and actually being able to cry as I finished silent hill 1 I had tears in my eyes I didn't have those for a pretty long time I feel human ALIVE , confident enough its good to feel that way man.
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Skeetos said:
I need to say one more thing. I apologize for my passive aggressive comments, but it's gotten to the point where we can't really sit here and help on a large scale. Anyone who is feeling that bad about themselves I implore you to seek mental health counseling if it is available. People on the internet are not qualified to help you work out your deeper seeded issues. I could sit here and worry all day about everyone here, but it's not realistic. Please, find an expert. Some of you desperately need it and I want to see everyone make it okay.
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Feels same man , at the end of the day none can help , I mean online guys I can't put a gun in lets say xdqwerty head and tell em GET HAPPY NOW or drag em to a concert or something , thing is some people will never change some have entrenched themselves in this self loathing mindset I know someone like that from Netherlands all he does is play games and spend government money on hookers cuz he is autistic , its worth mentioning that most here seem to be on meds but aren't doing well?

It is what it is really you will see some succeed other get stuck forever and others lose themselves to somethings and others....well
 
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Kamako said:
Sorry for the wall of text, but I cannot in good faith say I believe that supposition to be true.
I fear that the notion "nothing matters", removes any objective personal responsibility.
"Everything matters" is actually a far more horrifying thought to contend with, I feel.

If life can be perceived as a series of systems, and each system can be said to run optimally or sub-optimally, then there is an "optimal" (best) way to act and to live, and a "sub-optimal" way. In every moment. In every instance.

But the weight of that responsibility is too much to bare. And also, there is no objectively agreed upon "best" way to act. Eventually, living in a way that is "best for me" enacted on a large enough scale, will inevitably encroach upon what is best for another. I wish there was a way I could neatly marry the objective position with the subjective position to overcome this problem.

But I can't. So I feel many, including myself, often surrender to positive nihilism. It's still a hell of alot better than some of the alternatives. But, who knows? Cynics will claim that saying "everything matters" leads to its own set of psychological neuroses and complexes anyway. Nothing "optimal" about those, unless it turns out that the best way to contend with an insane and disordered world is to observe it through an insane and disordered lens...but somehow I doubt it.

Sometimes I think it's best for my mental health not to consider the question at all.
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That is very insightful. My thoughts land somewhere on the same territory as yours. I feel with keen observation and time it is possible to faintly see the lines where the optimal stances are, but that in itself is a taxing and slow process.
 
Kamako said:
Do you get a feeling in the middle of your stomach like boiling acid? Does it make you feel sometimes like looking people in the eye might poison them?
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No... Mostly I just want to really hurt certain people.

I won't, of course, but that huge divide between want and action contributes heavily to the problem.
 
Waffles said:
No... Mostly I just want to really hurt certain people.

I won't, of course, but that huge divide between want and action contributes heavily to the problem.
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The fact you can you at least externalize some of it sounds somewhat healthy. And that you do not act on it, even moreso.

Either way, I'm sorry you have to feel any of that negativity. I hope it subsides soon and troubles you less as time goes on.
 
You know I think something that hurts people mentally and even their ability to think is some people just get stuck in a certain mindset like a lot adopt the "both sides are bad" when it comes to politics and just never feel the need to look deeper into the issue.


Or people who go "well im an introvert or im socially anxious" and just never bother to change I found the best mindset is literally adaptability it works always just being like water always works not depending on 1 thing or 2.

With this you can keep moving forward like you can't depend on lets say video games as main sort of entertainment what if you lose them? Finding multiple hobbies help in remedying the problem its why my math teachers always advised the class to solve a problem in all ways possible this way works best here but this one works best here , even if one is better than the other doing the worse one trains your mind too , I'm not great at scientific subjects but once you figure all they need is a bit of pattern recognition and just being good at math they seem easier , you don't have to be excellent like the super nerdy guy who relies on his intelligence solely you rely on your intelligence , and muscle memeory and pattern recognition if one is cut off another is there to make up for it.

Its just that you can't approach every situation the same , you can't always ignore the haters or bullies sometimes they need a good punch in the face , its also proven by history civilisations that adopted new technologies and always was eager to find new ways to improve any aspect of its foundation stayed longer than others its also how armies win wars like the punic wars especially the first one the romans were total dumbasses in sea faring but being creative and coming up with new ways allowed them to best the masters of the Mediterranean at the time the city of carthage , the soviets and nowadays russians also have this adaptability mindset most would just claim Soviets won through sheer numbers but that's just straight up false it took them many failed operations to finally place the pieces together resulting in operation uranus , when they realized their previous offensives and ways of warfare don't hold up well they went back to drawing board and figured this deep battle doctrine is actually good and if you are ww2 nerd you would know how the soviets just demolished the germans.

Its also why generalists will always be better than hard counters in video games when I played FF7 and did the strategy minigame I always went generalist infantry totally ignoring the hard counters worked like a charm , hard counters are good at one thing and one thing only take that thing out and they trash....same for age of mythology hoplite/hypaspist dynamic one is a general purpose soldier being the hoplite being so well rounded the greeks have the incentive to base their playstyle around the hoplite while the hard counter the hypaspist is just an anti infantry swordsman , thus the hoplite adopts far better in unfavorable situations like against archers or cavalry or anything else really , people who go hard counter strats can risk losing the game!

Its proven historically , militarily and what else? Its just that being able to change is the best trait you can have

What does this have to do with mental health? When your mental health sucks it might be caused by your mindset or might be one of the many reasons , that's why trying out new things can improve it
 
Xdqwerty said:
But I want friends
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Yeah and so do these grown ass men, except they don't want to hold hands, people on the internet are WEIRD.

You don't know any of us, we don't know each other, we’re like NPC’s to one another.

You have to be careful on the net, weirdos are more prominent everywhere.
 
I see you changed your pfp xdqwerty man its so rare that I change a pfp feels like when I do it a need a ceremony to commemorate this change

Just what exactly is your pfp? And how is life with mr 15 year old man
 
Pandaprewmaster325 said:
I see you changed your pfp xdqwerty man its so rare that I change a pfp feels like when I do it a need a ceremony to commemorate this change

Just what exactly is your pfp? And how is life with mr 15 year old man
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She is lidelle from the Puyo Puyo series and @IyoTheHelpfulWolf drew it for me.
Also i'm fine today I guess
 
Pandaprewmaster325 said:
Can I know what's her personality like?
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Quoting puyonexus: Lidelle is soft-spoken, shy, but a very sweet and innocent girl. She is kind and polite to everyone she meets, and is rarely ever angry. Due to her innocence, however, she has a streak of being unintentionally insensitive with her comments, such as accidentally offending Dapper Bones by pointing out his baldness, and calling Schezo a pervert out of the blue.

A personal issue with Lidelle is that she tends to be embarrassed by her odd characteristics. She hides her horns with her hair and wears long sleeves to hide her odd characteristics, and will get upset when it's pointed out. Interestingly, she tends to have a fixation towards those that share her characteristics, such as Satan and Draco, to the point where she wants to call them "brother" and "sister" respectively.
 
Xdqwerty said:
Quoting puyonexus: Lidelle is soft-spoken, shy, but a very sweet and innocent girl. She is kind and polite to everyone she meets, and is rarely ever angry. Due to her innocence, however, she has a streak of being unintentionally insensitive with her comments, such as accidentally offending Dapper Bones by pointing out his baldness, and calling Schezo a pervert out of the blue.

A personal issue with Lidelle is that she tends to be embarrassed by her odd characteristics. She hides her horns with her hair and wears long sleeves to hide her odd characteristics, and will get upset when it's pointed out. Interestingly, she tends to have a fixation towards those that share her characteristics, such as Satan and Draco, to the point where she wants to call them "brother" and "sister" respectively.
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Feels similar to you eh?
 
Pandaprewmaster325 said:
You know I think something that hurts people mentally and even their ability to think is some people just get stuck in a certain mindset like a lot adopt the "both sides are bad" when it comes to politics and just never feel the need to look deeper into the issue.


Or people who go "well im an introvert or im socially anxious" and just never bother to change I found the best mindset is literally adaptability it works always just being like water always works not depending on 1 thing or 2.

With this you can keep moving forward like you can't depend on lets say video games as main sort of entertainment what if you lose them? Finding multiple hobbies help in remedying the problem its why my math teachers always advised the class to solve a problem in all ways possible this way works best here but this one works best here , even if one is better than the other doing the worse one trains your mind too , I'm not great at scientific subjects but once you figure all they need is a bit of pattern recognition and just being good at math they seem easier , you don't have to be excellent like the super nerdy guy who relies on his intelligence solely you rely on your intelligence , and muscle memeory and pattern recognition if one is cut off another is there to make up for it.

Its just that you can't approach every situation the same , you can't always ignore the haters or bullies sometimes they need a good punch in the face , its also proven by history civilisations that adopted new technologies and always was eager to find new ways to improve any aspect of its foundation stayed longer than others its also how armies win wars like the punic wars especially the first one the romans were total dumbasses in sea faring but being creative and coming up with new ways allowed them to best the masters of the Mediterranean at the time the city of carthage , the soviets and nowadays russians also have this adaptability mindset most would just claim Soviets won through sheer numbers but that's just straight up false it took them many failed operations to finally place the pieces together resulting in operation uranus , when they realized their previous offensives and ways of warfare don't hold up well they went back to drawing board and figured this deep battle doctrine is actually good and if you are ww2 nerd you would know how the soviets just demolished the germans.

Its also why generalists will always be better than hard counters in video games when I played FF7 and did the strategy minigame I always went generalist infantry totally ignoring the hard counters worked like a charm , hard counters are good at one thing and one thing only take that thing out and they trash....same for age of mythology hoplite/hypaspist dynamic one is a general purpose soldier being the hoplite being so well rounded the greeks have the incentive to base their playstyle around the hoplite while the hard counter the hypaspist is just an anti infantry swordsman , thus the hoplite adopts far better in unfavorable situations like against archers or cavalry or anything else really , people who go hard counter strats can risk losing the game!

Its proven historically , militarily and what else? Its just that being able to change is the best trait you can have

What does this have to do with mental health? When your mental health sucks it might be caused by your mindset or might be one of the many reasons , that's why trying out new things can improve it
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I don't want to be like water. I want to be strong and immutable like earth. Shaped by rough hands and cataclysmic events.
 
Sometimes I'm questioning my own sanity. As if the people around me weren't real of that my behaviour isn't actually mine but a facsimile of how people wants to perceive me.

Technically, are you someone because of yourself or because others are looking at you? Someone can exist only if there are other to witness them or else they don't.

I know that there's cogito ergo sum but in the same way if a tree falls in a forest without anyone to hear it then it doesn't make a sound.
 
Ikagura said:
Sometimes I'm questioning my own sanity. As if the people around me weren't real of that my behaviour isn't actually mine but a facsimile of how people wants to perceive me.

Technically, are you someone because of yourself or because others are looking at you? Someone can exist only if there are other to witness them or else they don't.

I know that there's cogito ergo sum but in the same way if a tree falls in a forest without anyone to hear it then it doesn't make a sound.
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Maybe that's why I don't feel like there's ever been a 'me". I don't choose to be around people a whole lot.
 
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