Hot takes

[miguk miguk]

I love Spike and all the work he does, but the Vita library is such dogshit. It makes sense there’s a lot of Vita games being posted on the repo bc the other systems’ catalogs are so full (again, thank you SO MUCH), but ohhhhh my god I did NOT miss out not having a vita.

Maybe part of the charm missing is my not really considering the Vita very “retro”. A bigger part is probably that the vita catalog is dogshit.

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I have what I think may be a good take:

A lot of stories in video games and VNs *do* suck. If you ever find yourself unfulfilled with the narratives or writing in games, you should probably find a book to enjoy, or pick up a title with more game than read (like a puzzler or Tetris or a platformer or something). This is part of what got me more into retro games the past few years.

If anyone’s looking for a good meaty game to read, please look up Pentiment, especially fans of European history (takes place around the same time as KCD). Top 5 game for me.

Some consoles/handhelds are geared towards a certain kind of audience. You like platformers? Play some NES games. You like JRPGs? Try some SNES games. You like sports games? Try the Genesis. The Vita, despite being released some time after that was a common trend, is quite geared towards a JRPG and anime fanbase. It was not that exclusively (as was also true for the aforementioned consoles), but there was a noticeable trend towards that. So if you aren't into those genres, it's probably not the system for you. If you are, then it's not so bad (although most games got ports elsewhere).

Now I will argue that the hardware for the Vita sucked. Sony tried yet another proprietary media scam, driving up the cost to a ridiculous degree, and they ate dirt as a result. It doesn't matter how great the rest of the system is when getting it to function requires the physical equivalent of buying mandatory overpriced DLC.

As for game writing, I agree for most cases. Most game makers aren't skilled writers; most skilled writers are not game makers. We get some of the best games when the developers realize this problem and try to fix it by hiring the right people. And even then, this doesn't always work.

To make matters worse, the audience kind of sucks at embracing good writing, and tends to embrace bad writing if they think it'll provide a good game regardless of if they've played it or not. (See all the people who initially screamed bloody murder at reviewers for negative reviews of Metroid: Other M and Resident Evil 5 based mainly on terrible writing... until they actually played them for themselves and pretended they never said those games had to be GOAT-level.) So we're stuck in a situation where the industry doesn't really need to give us better writing because some part of the audience will lap up whatever they throw at us.

 

[Lee__Kanker]

Do you know if the European localizations were different than the American for the Fire Emblem games? I know Splatoon (and Mario Party for some reason) had a completely different, and more accurate, script and they seem to be more accurate while still having a personality of their own so I’m curious if Treehouse just was absent from all European Nintendo translations at the time.

I can confirm theres some small differences between awakenings us and eu script

Small stuff really, a couple words

Strangely enough Tharja's booty shot from the beach dlc isnt censored in the eu version but nowi complimenting her tits in a special dualogue is

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There isn't, Geofront fan-translated Zero and Azure and NISA used that script as base for their official release.
I don't like Geofront's translation, they actually put current-year memes inside a game from 2010.View attachment 22255

my mistake

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I love Spike and all the work he does, but the Vita library is such dogshit. It makes sense there’s a lot of Vita games being posted on the repo bc the other systems’ catalogs are so full (again, thank you SO MUCH), but ohhhhh my god I did NOT miss out not having a vita.

Maybe part of the charm missing is my not really considering the Vita very “retro”. A bigger part is probably that the vita catalog is dogshit.

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I have what I think may be a good take:

A lot of stories in video games and VNs *do* suck. If you ever find yourself unfulfilled with the narratives or writing in games, you should probably find a book to enjoy, or pick up a title with more game than read (like a puzzler or Tetris or a platformer or something). This is part of what got me more into retro games the past few years.

If anyone’s looking for a good meaty game to read, please look up Pentiment, especially fans of European history (takes place around the same time as KCD). Top 5 game for me.

 

[Tonberry]

I always thought that the Triforce Hunt in ’Wind Waker’ was the best part of the game, because that’s when it finally opens up fully and it’s all about adventuring on the sea.

I was SUPER surprised when I got online as I got older and everyone seems to hate that part the most.

 

[Deleted member 1295]

I always thought that the Triforce Hunt in ’Wind Waker’ was the best part of the game, because that’s when it finally opens up fully and it’s all about adventuring on the sea.

I was SUPER surprised when I got online as I got older and everyone seems to hate that part the most.

I remember it being a weekend and I had the whole day to do nothing but play, and when I realized that I had "so much more game to play", I was ecstatic. I liked just about anything that extended my playtime back then, good or bad.

 

[Raud]

Me neither, who popularised it?

I think it was Resident Evil 4. It became a standard in action games after that.

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

I have a few spicy ones:

- Fallout 3 was a mistake, as good as New Vegas is, it isn't worth what Bethesda did to the series.
- Trails of Cold Steel ruined the entirety of the Trails series, taking away every cool idea and turning it into a generic anime story, and no amount of bringing back characters for fan service will save it.
- Sonic has never been good.
- Fighting games haven't been good since Third Strike.
- SMT is far superior to Persona.
- Gamecube > PS2.
- RE4 wasn't that good, and the action focused direction it took the series in, almost killed it.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

- Sonic has never been good.

You will get stoned with that lol.

- Fighting games haven't been good since Third Strike.

I could agree if it wasn't for Guilty.

 

[fake-kun]

- Sonic has never been good.

BASED AS FUCK

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

BASED AS FUCK

Why tho? Also don't scream, we can hear you.

I mean the Genesis games (maybe except the first) are still accepted to be good games and the latest remaster of Generations got good scores.

If a series has never been good as some told I doubt it would've even lasted as long as it did.

 

[fake-kun]

Why tho? Also don't scream, we can hear you.

I mean the Genesis games (maybe except the first) are still accepted to be good games and the latest remaster of Generations got good scores.

I played all Genesis games and I didn't finish any of them because they were so bad.

If a series has never been good as some told I doubt it would've even lasted as long as it did.

Every single Michael Bay movie is a pure garbage, and yet millions of people watch them.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I played all the Genesis games and I didn't finish them because they were so bad.

It's your opinion and you're right to not like these game but that does not make them intrinsically bad simply because your point of view does not define a set reality.

I personally am bad at RTS yet I won't call the C&C franchise bad. Same with Dating Sim not interesting me but I see why Tokimeki Memorial is considered to be a genre definer like Street Fighter II was for fighting games.

Tl;Dr: "I don't like something" =/= "Something is bad".

Every single Micheal Bay movie is a pure garbage, and yet millions of people watch them.

You're comparing movies with games, false equivalence there. Also I'd argue that like any art there are different point of view and while cinema isn't the same I consider that even a less "artsy" movie can still have some value. Hell, even Sharknado which is supposedly to be a B-movie esque comedy still managed to bring some qualities in its own way.

Also no, there are games in the franchise that are still seen as good by the gaming community so even if there are differing opinions those does not nullifies them.

 

[fake-kun]

You're comparing movies with games, false equivalence there.

Also no, there are games in the franchise that are still seen as good by the gaming community so even if there are differing opinions those does not nullifies them.

I don't see how that's false equivalence, considering I was arguing against your point about how Sonic could've lasted for so long if they were bad from the start.

Also, appeal to popularity is not a legitimate argument.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I don't see how that's false equivalence, considering I was arguing against your point about how Sonic could've lasted for so long if they were bad from the start.

But the thing is that saying that "X was never good" is most of the time a lie said by trolls or haters just to get hateviews or people arguing. I've simply disagreed about your opinion (because I consider that telling it as a statement is dishonest when it's clearly a subjective claim).

Saying that Sonic (or any other franchises) was never good is as pointless (and false) as saying that Megaman was never good because someone couldn't finish the NES ones and to annoy Megaman fans.

And telling that someone is "based" is just yet another internet lingo expression to legitimise another's opinion by portraying it as a good thing when it's just agreeing with someone else's point of view (which could lead to a fallacious paradigm).

Also, appeal to popularity is not a legitimate argument.

How so? Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy VII, Symphony of the Night and Resident Evil 4 are considered to be the best of their respective franchises for a good reason.

I'd still say that people going against the popular opinion solely to appear wiser are not really the best either.


PS: Also I'd say that a personal experience does not constitute an undeniable truth either.

 

[fake-kun]

But the thing is that saying that "Sonic was never good" is most of the time a lie said by trolls or haters.

I simply disagree about that opinion (because I consider that telling it as a statement is dishonest).

Saying that Sonic was never good is as pointless (and false) as saying that Megaman was never good because someone couldn't finish the NES ones.

And? How is existence of trolls and haters at all relevant?

I suppose I lied a little about my experience with Sonic games. I DID finish Sonic 2, albeit with a level select.

How so? Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy VII, Symphony of the Night and Resident Evil 4 are considered to be the best of their respective franchises for a good reason.

Appeal to popularity is considered to be a fallacy.

I'd still say that people going against the popular opinion solely to appear wiser are not really the best either.

Not all people who proclaim unpopular opinions do so to appear "wiser." Some of us are actually capable of forming our own opinions on the games.

PS: Also I'd say that a personal experience does not constitute an undeniable truth either.

You're right, which is why I never said it did. I merely agreed with another user's opinion; you're the one who took an issue with that, for some reason.

 

[Tonberry]

Taunting in fighting games is a 100% valid strategy. Mindgames is like half the fight anyway.
It’s even part of combos in certain games like 3rd Strike.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

I suppose I lied a little about my experience with Sonic games. I DID finish Sonic 2, albeit with a level select.

But it doesn't make you right for saying "it was never good"

Appeal to popularity is considered to be a fallacy.

So you're gonna tell me that everyone agreeing that the Earth is round and rotating around the Sun is a fallacy despite being a scientific fact?


Also I love how this fallacy only works when it's convenient, Megaman 2 and X1 are seen as the best of the franchise for a good reason, same with Ocarina of Time being considered as one of the best videogame in the entire History of gaming or Citizen Kane for Cinema.

Not all people who proclaim unpopular opinions do so to appear "wiser." Some of us are actually capable of forming our own opinions on the games.

There's a difference of saying "I'm not fan of that" (personally I'm not that fan of Tolkien's Middle Earth when it comes to fantasy and then again I prefer Sword & Sorcery and Sci-Fi when it comes to fictive universes).

But there are always people wanting to claim that "Star Wars is overrated trash" or "Kubrick isn't a good Director" just to feel unique without any actual substance to their claim.

You're right, which is why I never said it did. I merely agreed with another user's opinion; you're the one who took an issue with that, for some reason.

Saying "based" implies some sort of "he's right" which is de facto like agreeing that a claim is a correct objective statement.

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

You will get stoned with that lol.

My takes on Fallout 3 and on RE4 have ended friendships, but i can see people hating me for my Sonic take.

I could agree if it wasn't for Guilty.

EEEEh, i mean its alright, but fair enough.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Taunting in fighting games is a 100% valid strategy. Mindgames is like half the fight anyway.
It’s even part of combos in certain games like 3rd Strike.

Taunting is good if it's big risk big reward (or lower the opponent's power meter like in AoF which is an important part of the meta).

I forgot about SF3.3 but which?

EEEEh, i mean its alright, but fair enough.

But I do agree that the 2000's (pre-SFIV) was a dark age for FTGs...

At least the 2010's saw a small revival but I dislike how the 2020's are for the genre...

 

[Tonberry]

Taunting is good if it's big risk big reward (or lower the opponent's tension meter like in AoF).

I don’t even think it needs to have a mechanical purpose. You’re fighting a person, and if a well-timed taunt makes them tilt (just like a good combo might) it’s a good tactic, I think.

 

[fake-kun]

Saying "based" implies some sort of "he's right" which is de facto like agreeing that a claim is a correct objective statement.

Yeah, I think you just take shit way too seriously.

I can't believe I participated into this argument. I guess that's what I get for my impulsivity.

But I'll say one thing before I stop.

Also I love how this fallacy only works when it's convenient, Megaman 2 and X1 are seen as the best of the franchise for a good reason, same with Ocarina of Time being considered as one of the best videogame in the entire History of gaming or Citizen Kane for Cinema.

Mega Man 4 and Mega Man X2 are better.

 

[Tonberry]

Mega Man 4 and Mega Man X2 are better.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Yeah, I think you just take shit way too seriously.

Please avoid vulgarity, we are adults here (I mean I assume for you). Just let's agree to disagree if you prefer.

I can't believe I participated into this argument. I guess that's what I get for my impulsivity.

Debating is good and healthy for the mind though. If there's no more people questioning things then anything can be believed and this would be a problem in the long run.

Mega Man 4 and Mega Man X2 are better.

While you may be right I still think that without 2 nor X1 respectively those wouldn't have existed.

I cannot say that Twilight Princess is better than Ocarina because the later defined how the former would become.

 

[Tonberry]

While you may be right I still think that without 2 nor X1 respectively those wouldn't have existed.

Sure, but that’s redundant when it comes to taste. If you like something more than something else that’s totally fine. You don’t need to take any objectivity into account.

I like X1 more than X2 because I have a better time with it, but X2 is probably better just by not having the dash be something you unlock. (I’ll never ever vibe with the music the same as X1 or X3 though, it’s too thrash-metal inspired and has too few melodies for my taste)

A related somewhat hot take though:
Twilight Princess is the worst (at least 3D) Zelda.

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

Oh here is another one since we talked about fighting games, but i don't know how spicy it is:

- The 3D art direction for SF makes most characters look hideous and like they are made of clay.

Twilight Princess is the worst (at least 3D) Zelda.

Really? Personally, i would say that Skyward Sword is the worst one.

 

[Tonberry]

Really? Personally, i would say that Skyward Sword is the worst one.

Yeah it’s pretty close lol, but I think TP is more frustrating to play overall. There’s so much back and forth all the time, collecting teardrops suck, the combat is just Wind Waker but you have to unlock your moves, the items are uninteresting for the mostpart.
I love Midna though, but who doesn’t?

Skyward Sword has a bunch of issues too but I think it does unique gimmicks better generally. I like the overall items more, I like the artstyle and the world feels much more unique. Dungeon’s have more puzzles and combat felt hard (partly due to jank but I like how fights against lone enemies felt like duels), I love Zelda’s personality and design, and it’s got one of the best soundtracks in the series.