Hot takes

[Ravl]

Miyazaki is right about Modern Anime.
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By "modern anime" he means the stuff from the late 70s and onward. He's been saying this for over 40 years

 

[Tonberry]

And bitching how much you hate same tired trope is not critique and just becuse you know how to write Fancition about how your favorite charter fucks you in the ass does not make you an expert on good writing and now what´s poplar in another culture.

…What? The internet isn’t one person, of course you’re gonna run into people having the same opinions on stuff, whether it’s ones you agree with or not. I don’t browse anime forums and this is the first time I’ve said something about it, so it’s new to me for example.
I don’t even know what that fanfiction bit has to do with anything.

Well one can call it bitching I see it more of reminding people they are not the center of the universe and there bitching for 5 years straight will not change anything so better shut the frack up. And yeah you can do a hot take but maybe come with something that´s not been nagged about for past 5 years.

Take your own advice then, instead of jumping into a thread about having opinions with this weird accusatory tone. You need to come to terms with the fact that people have different opinions on stuff.
You can like whatever you want, people being fed up on a trend isn’t a slight against someone else’s interests.

 

[Tonberry]

Is it so fucking hard to keep some shit to your self ?? Can we quit being negative creeps for once hmmmmm.

Again, it’s a Hot Takes thread. The entire point is to be able to air our grievances with something. Just don’t enter the thread if you don’t want to see opinions that rattle you.

I’ll just drop it since I don’t want to argue in the thread unnecessarily, but my point still stands.

 

[Ravl]

Turn A Gundam is by far the best Gundam show in my opinion, I understand people who think Zeta is better but I love Turn A.

ZZ is better than Z honestly.
But really, it's all downhill from '79: I like most of UC, but it's all inferior to the first one by a mile.

 

[Ravl]

Whoever decided that the girls' bodies in MHA had to be bimboified for the anime adaptation must be punished by crushing.

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Looks the same to me

 

[Tonberry]

Looks the same to me

I don’t like how they all have the same physique in the anime versions, and how it makes them all thinner with bigger tits for no real reason. It’s like they’re the same ”character model” with a different head and skin tone.
They have much more varied proportions in the manga, especially the frog girl.

Horikoshi is an excellent artist and is great at subtle differences in body types, so it just feels unnecessary and a disservice to his style to change them in such a way, even if the changes aren’t gigantic.

 

[Ravl]

I don’t like how they all have the same physique in the anime versions, and how it makes them all thinner with bigger tits for no real reason. It’s like they’re the same ”character model” with a different head, skin tone and face.
They have much more varied proportions in the manga, especially the frog girl.

Horikoshi is an excellent artist and is great at subtle differences in body types, so it just feels unnecessary and a disservice to his style to change them in such a way, even if the changes aren’t gigantic.

I don't really see what's strange about the way he draws bodies, it's the faces that always stood out for me: I'm not really a fan but it's what separates him from other Jump mangakas I'd say, it's what makes it art instantly recognizable.

 

[Mago]

My hot take is Shōnen is pure slop with same repetitive idea.
Attack on titan is proof that people love boring stories.

Speaking on the shonen part, thats just kinda objectively wrong? I think people keep using that term without knowing what it actually means. Its not a genre, it just means the manga was published in a young boys magazine. Thats why K-On is Seinen, because of the magazine it was in, not because of its actual content.

 

[Tonberry]

I don't really see what's strange about the way he draws bodies, it's the faces that always stood out for me: I'm not really a fan but it's what separates him from other Jump mangakas I'd say, it's what makes it art instantly recognizable.

I’d say that it’s what’s ”not strange” that’s the good part. They look like regular people for the mostpart. They’re cute and not unnecessarily ”sexy”, while the anime adaptation gave them identical and much more sexualised bodies (boogeyman word I know, but I think it’s applicable here). I don’t have a problem with sexy characters but I don’t like when they change the style when adapting a manga to have more ”eye candy”, it’s like reverse censorship.

Still, I don’t really care for MHA very much, but I love Horikoshi’s style. My post was more about the idea of ”fixing” an mangaka’s art for TV.

And even then I know he started drawing them differently later on, but I like when they don’t look identical is all.

Sorry for rambling :)

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Speaking on the shonen part, thats just kinda objectively wrong? I think people keep using that term without knowing what it actually means. Its not a genre, it just means the manga was published in a young boys magazine. Thats why K-On is Seinen, because of the magazine it was in, not because of its actual content.

It's common in the west for people to consider shonen (and other demographics) a genre first, and a demographic second, which is wrong but it's usually how streaming sites categorize stuff.
Hajime no Ippo is somehow only sports and not shonen, but Dragon Ball is only shonen and not superheroes. Both are, in fact, both.

I have a friend who once claimed that "if your story has teamwork, it's shonen".

 

[Ravl]

It's common in the west for people to consider shonen (and other demographics) a genre first, and a demographic second, which is wrong but it's usually how streaming sites categorize stuff.
Hajime no Ippo is somehow only sports and not shonen, but Dragon Ball is only shonen and not superheroes. Both are, in fact, both.

I have a friend who once claimed that "if your story has teamwork, it's shonen".

People just don't want to admit that they're watching stuff that's made for kids and teens

 

[Tonberry]

People just don't want to admit that they're watching stuff that's made for kids and teens

That seems to be the main thing it all boils down to.
My friend isn't like that though, he's an unabashed lover of YA novels and shonen. He just had a weird grasp on the definition. :)

 

[Ravl]

Attack on Titan sucks.

The characters are soulless robots with only the goal of pushing the plot in the direction needed for the story to continue, and having very little depth outside of that. The half-baked character relationships are a fatal flaw with AoT's character writing. There's never enough effort and time put into establishing the relationships between characters and why they'd actually care about each other. When you watch the scene where Hannes dies, you think "that's the drunk guy Eren knew as a kid and interacted with a couple times, so it's emotional and impactful for Eren to see him die", not "Damn, we will never get to see these two interact again on screen" which would make you feel the same loss the protagonist feels.

Most character arcs are just the character's flaw being established, and then one or two scenes showing them overcoming that flaw and becoming a different person. It's very cheap. The way character arcs are written never changes from season 1 to season 4, and most characters only have one arc at best.

Characters like Levi or Mikasa are bland, one note, and would be forgettable if not for their plot armor and fight scenes. Levi is just a generic shonen badass and one of the characters that doesn't even change from start to finish, not even undergoing the show's usual rushed character arc. Mikasa has the complexity of milk toast and the personality of water. So many opportunities for her to develop and grow, yet she remained stagnant and one-dimensional.

Most of the pre-timeskip worldbuilding is retconned via plot twists and doesn't matter after the timeskip. It's almost a different story entirely. The Survey Corps feels like it's set dressing and mostly an afterthought.

The crux of the narrative post-timeskip is focused on the morality of the Rumbling, yet there's not a single attempt to help the viewer sympathize with the outside world. There's no real in-universe reason for the viewer to side with the Marleyians. The outside world is so cartoonishly evil and shallow that the Rumbling is the only logical option, but then the story wants you to feel bad when a bunch of nameless NPCs are stomped on at the end.

The plot is an edgelord fest that doesn't hold up under scrutiny, which is why the fanbase hated the ending. Once they had confirmation that there would be no more plot twists to give the narrative more depth than a puddle, they hated it. The plot doesn't make sense because it's so focused on "recontextualizing everything" with every subsequent plot twist, that it's lost all identity. The entire show the viewer is made to believe that this is a post apocalyptic world with giant cannibal monsters, and by season 4 we transition to a WW2 allegory with terrible political writing and themes that are executed with zero tact or nuance.

It doesn't matter if it was foreshadowed, you don't go from giant zombie slasher to wannabe-game of thrones in the span of 60 episodes. The author tried writing two entirely different stories using the exact same characters and world, which is why the series has no identity outside of "plot twist after plot twist" and "edgy gore." It's also just a blatant ripoff of Eternal Champions, where the protagonist Erekose is given the "god powers" of his world and is part of the race Eldren, which were exiled and excommunicated from the rest of the world because of terrible things that they did in the past. And now in the present day, the world hates the Eldren and wants them gone, and Erekose has to find a way to protect his race from extinction using his "god powers."

It's a friend of mine favorite anime due to the political stuff and the "humanity repeating the same mistakes/cicle of hatred" thing. It's memorable but somewhat boring to me.

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After using Konata as an avatar in a few occasions I decided to finally watch the first episode of the anime.

I didn't like it. Nothing fucking happens on it.

It's surprising how many people pretend to like moeshit but actually hate watching the shows

 

[Mago]

Never did I say it was a Genre and I know what it is but majority of anime targeting boys are slop, Bleach, Naurto, one piece, Fairy tale same fucking slop with annoying OP main charter that save the world that´s majority what´s popular. Then there is other type of genres in Shōnen but Im talking about what´s most popular Shōnen.

So please don´t think im clueless because that´s fucking insulting. So twink before you speak.

Also it means boys' comics not young boys and it´s an editorial category of Japanese comics.

Im half Japanese born and raised in Japan so please don´t lecture me on the language im fluent in and the culture you barely even understand on a surface level. Do you want me lecture you on your´s countrys lanuage and culture ?

How you know I'm not Japanese myself

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

People just don't want to admit that they're watching stuff that's made for kids and teens

I do agree that's a symptom of the "it has to be ironic" age we live in.

I don't think it is shameful to enjoy something made for kids and teens.

 

[Tonberry]

I don't think it is shameful to enjoy something made for kids and teens.
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That's the way to think :) But you'd be surprised to see how many people go "um actually dragon ball isn't for kids because it has blood!!!1" in an attempt to make it sound more mature than it is.

 

[Deleted member 884]

OnePiece is boring af, after Thriller Barks.
Dragon Ball Z is overrated, for modern standards.

 

[Tbest25]

My hot take is that Dragon Ball Super is probably the worst arc of the series. They completely butchered Goku's personality in this one. I mean, he wasn't smart before but he took things seriously and planned strategies to win the battles he was facing. Now he just act like a overconfident child. Most of the fights are boring and predictable. And the art of the first season it's just atrocious.
In other words, Super is doo doo.

 

[Tonberry]

My hot take is that Dragon Ball Super is probably the worst arc of the series. They completely butchered Goku's personality in this one. I mean, he wasn't smart before but he took things seriously and planned strategies to win the battles he was facing. Now he just act like a overconfident child. Most of the fights are boring and predictable. And the art of the first season it's just atrocious.
In other words, Super is doo doo.

I thought this was common, but I guess people warmed up to it by the end? I remember being really disappointed by it.
Super Saiyan Blue is sexo though. And it gave us canon Gogeta and good Broly down the line so I'm happy for that at least.

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

I remember Dragon Ball Super being divisive, i wasn't really into it so i didn't keep up.

 

[Elwiwi]

Yotsuba& is the best manga that exists
Sakura from Naruto gets to much hate

 

[Tbest25]

I thought this was common, but I guess people warmed up to it by the end? I remember being really disappointed by it.
Super Saiyan Blue is sexo though. And it gave us canon Gogeta and good Broly down the line so I'm happy for that at least.

It was, then ultra instinct happened and people forgot about all the rest. That's my theory lol. Yeah, it's true about Super Saiyan blue and Broly. Very sexo indeed.

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Yotsuba& is the best manga that exists
Sakura from Naruto gets to much hate

True, never understood the hate towards Sakura. The only thing bad is how poorly the author writes her, she gets sidetracked nearly every time.

 

[Elwiwi]

It was, then ultra instinct happened and people forgot about all the rest. That's my theory lol. Yeah, it's true about Super Saiyan blue and Broly. Very sexo indeed.

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True, never understood the hate towards Sakura. The only thing bad is how poorly the author writes her, she's gets sidetracked nearly every time.

Every time that anyone says nobara ( jujutsu kaisen ) is better than Sakura I want to commit war crimes

 

[PrismRed]

I think anime watcher today is too busy whining about anime they hate instead of actually TRY looking for a show that they like.

There, that's quite a hot take, don't y'all agree?

Evangelion isn't actually that good. It's thematically really cool and cool to look at. I'm a sucker for biblical symbols so ooh spooky crosses. I think all of the characters are pretty miserable, but them being terribly flawed is the point.

I'm glad someone else gets it, I do love Eva, but it's not as good as people praise it to be.

 

[Deleted member 884]

My hot take is that Dragon Ball Super is probably the worst arc of the series. They completely butchered Goku's personality in this one. I mean, he wasn't smart before but he took things seriously and planned strategies to win the battles he was facing. Now he just act like a overconfident child. Most of the fights are boring and predictable. And the art of the first season it's just atrocious.
In other words, Super is doo doo.

Super is the perfect example of how milking the cow too much is a bad idea. It's probably even worse than GT, if that's possible.

Sakura from Naruto gets to much hate

Agree, even if early kin the manga she was a bit useless compared to the other kunochi, lately she starts to show how strong she really is, especially in Shippuuden, the true Tsunade's successor.

 

[Tbest25]

Agreed. I hate anime i only watch it to bitch and moan about Japanese people on Twitter.

Me too, i watch 5 minutes of a anime and tell everyone that it sucks, lacks diversity and bla bla bla