Hot takes

After using Konata as an avatar in a few occasions I decided to finally watch the first episode of the anime.

I didn't like it. Nothing fucking happens on it.
 
Attack on Titan sucks.

The characters are soulless robots with only the goal of pushing the plot in the direction needed for the story to continue, and having very little depth outside of that. The half-baked character relationships are a fatal flaw with AoT's character writing. There's never enough effort and time put into establishing the relationships between characters and why they'd actually care about each other. When you watch the scene where Hannes dies, you think "that's the drunk guy Eren knew as a kid and interacted with a couple times, so it's emotional and impactful for Eren to see him die", not "Damn, we will never get to see these two interact again on screen" which would make you feel the same loss the protagonist feels.

Most character arcs are just the character's flaw being established, and then one or two scenes showing them overcoming that flaw and becoming a different person. It's very cheap. The way character arcs are written never changes from season 1 to season 4, and most characters only have one arc at best.

Characters like Levi or Mikasa are bland, one note, and would be forgettable if not for their plot armor and fight scenes. Levi is just a generic shonen badass and one of the characters that doesn't even change from start to finish, not even undergoing the show's usual rushed character arc. Mikasa has the complexity of milk toast and the personality of water. So many opportunities for her to develop and grow, yet she remained stagnant and one-dimensional.

Most of the pre-timeskip worldbuilding is retconned via plot twists and doesn't matter after the timeskip. It's almost a different story entirely. The Survey Corps feels like it's set dressing and mostly an afterthought.

The crux of the narrative post-timeskip is focused on the morality of the Rumbling, yet there's not a single attempt to help the viewer sympathize with the outside world. There's no real in-universe reason for the viewer to side with the Marleyians. The outside world is so cartoonishly evil and shallow that the Rumbling is the only logical option, but then the story wants you to feel bad when a bunch of nameless NPCs are stomped on at the end.

The plot is an edgelord fest that doesn't hold up under scrutiny, which is why the fanbase hated the ending. Once they had confirmation that there would be no more plot twists to give the narrative more depth than a puddle, they hated it. The plot doesn't make sense because it's so focused on "recontextualizing everything" with every subsequent plot twist, that it's lost all identity. The entire show the viewer is made to believe that this is a post apocalyptic world with giant cannibal monsters, and by season 4 we transition to a WW2 allegory with terrible political writing and themes that are executed with zero tact or nuance.

It doesn't matter if it was foreshadowed, you don't go from giant zombie slasher to wannabe-game of thrones in the span of 60 episodes. The author tried writing two entirely different stories using the exact same characters and world, which is why the series has no identity outside of "plot twist after plot twist" and "edgy gore." It's also just a blatant ripoff of Eternal Champions, where the protagonist Erekose is given the "god powers" of his world and is part of the race Eldren, which were exiled and excommunicated from the rest of the world because of terrible things that they did in the past. And now in the present day, the world hates the Eldren and wants them gone, and Erekose has to find a way to protect his race from extinction using his "god powers."
I only watched the first two seasons which I really liked, then read a bit further than that, but I remember having an inkling to what you're describing here (apart from the actual plot points of course which I semi-kept up on) so it kind of feels nice that I dropped it somewhat early.
Introduced me to Cinema Staff though, which I'm grateful for.
 
Elfen Lied is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in sequential art form. And I can't say for sure if it's better or worse than Frank Miller's All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder.
 
Elfen Lied is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in sequential art form. And I can't say for sure if it's better or worse than Frank Miller's All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder.
That comparison was really effective putting into perspective how much you hate it
 
I know, I hate it too — it always seemed like a fat lot of pseudo-intellectual post-modern deconstructive insufferably-pretentious garbage made by an egotistical idiot to me. Small wonder it was an inspiration on Undertale. ::unhappy
I Like Undertale and Evangelion but okay I guess.
 
That comparison was really effective putting into perspective how much you hate it
It's really the first thing that comes to mind when I think if I've ever read anything else like it. Like, you can't tell if they were really trying to make it that dark and edgy because they thought it would look cool to the audience if everything was more dark & edgy than you could reasonably believe it could be, or if they just said "f*** it, let's just write one big p*** take of ultra-omega därk n̈' ëdgy on the boss' dime and see what happens."
 
*Deep breath, stares at audience, smirks*

I am going to burn this masterpiece so bad its ashes will scream for water

Everybody mentions Anime like Your Lie in April between the "Tragicomedy" subgenre of Slice of Life Manga, but for me is an absolute mess where the "tragedy" relies in characters being total arses to a character that already comes from a broken life, i cant stand Kaori even with the big twist for this reason

Your life in April is about a kid with a great talent for piano, however said talents comes from an abusive mother that practically enslaved him into having the talent, he becomes retracted until a girl push him into follwing his dream back, Sweet right? Said pushin involves practical Bullying and gaslighting him

Let's recap, Kousei is our protagonist, a kid with a knack for piano, however as said before said piano talent come from a mother that abused him into getting the career, however in the most mind manipulating play it turns out she abused Kousei because "He needed something to grip into since she was dying" so basically a Edcation Mama who rather than something coherent to leave her kid with something to hang on alone she gave him trauma and hatred to a talent... hwat, also mark the words "Pushing him into being the best with abuse" it will come down later

In the mother of all Manic Pixie Dream Girl our second portag a girl called Kaori comes to him after Kousei's mom croaks, to heal him into bringing himself of his shell back... ¿Sounds romantic right? Remember i mentioned mental Bullying, and also the minimal slightly almost inperceptible factor that SHE IS ESCENTIALLY DRAGGING A TRAUMATIZED BOY BACK INTO HIS TRAUMA, in a thread about tropes that most hate i heard about Idiot Plot and lack of comunication, i can tell, if Kousei bothered to say "Actually i don't care about the piano due to abuse from my mom" then... actually Kaori would still be a controlling B(car beep) that won't care, to make it worse the story got a twist, and the twist makes Kaori actually WORSE

At this point is a "Rosebud is a Sled" twist, but it came as shocking that Kaori is dying of a terminal disease, and she knows she is dying cool idea for a Cerebus Syndrome (AKA when a funny show gets serious) but they make Kaori's action even less symphatetic, she know she is dying, thus she... and here is where the marked words come into play... ONCE AGAIN REPEATS THE MISTAKES OF KOUSEI'S MOM BY NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT HER CONDITION INSTEAND BEING A DICK TO I I WANT TO RECALL A TRAUMATIZED KID, oh, and Kaori wants Kousei to come from his shell due to seeing him play the piano as a kid, info hat once again...
SHE
NEVER
TELLS HIM

The story ends with Kousei once again alone after losing two female roles in his life... tragic yes... and also the reason why i consider this anime a waste of my time!!! the story basically amounts to Kousei having to deal with a childhood of abuse and after said abuse is done having to be forced back into the trauma it generated over a selfish girl's lack of communication skills *Deep Breath and a long scream at his pillow*

Basically it amounts to a "Tragedy" that relies on nobody having talking skills or emphaty, if you want good "Tragicomedy" anime, go read/watch Anohana, the conflict is far more natural and when the characters act like if they left their brains or hearts where they misplace their wallets, the characters remain mostly rounded and symphatetic




The Op of Your Lie on April is still fire tho
 
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Everybody mentions Anime like Your Lie in April between the "Tragicomedy" subgenre of Slice of Life Manga
I always preferred Anohana and Clannad, or the peak EF.

I 100% agree with everything you said, and its a reason i couldn't get into Your Lie in April.
 
Filmation forever
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The only Ghibli films I particularly like are Spirited Away, My Neighbours the Yamadas, Porco Rosso, and The Wind Rises. The others can F OFF for all I care. I watched Mononoke and didn't get it at all, I just wanted the chicks to take their clothes off and start lezzing out.
 
Frieza is one of the most generic and boring major villains in all of anime. Almost every one of his named underlings is more interesting than he is, his dub grandma voice makes him impossible to take seriously, and his fight with Goku is horridly drawn out even for DBZ standards. Golden Frieza is even worse, both looking incredibly stupid and being embarrassingly fan servicy without any sense of logic.

Hitsugaya is an overrated character who never did anything to earn his popularity. None of his power or his position as a captain ever feels earned and we're just told he's some 'prodigy', but most of the time he's just screwing up because he's impulsive and immature. He eventually becomes better, but even at his best I'll never understand the love for him.

Arabasta is mid and Drum Island is underrated.

Death Note's first half is overrated and its second half is underrated; neither is great.
 
Full Metal Alchemist is boring.
Evangelion is good but is overrated.
Dragon ball super is trash (I like to think that everything ends in daima).
 

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Moe anime is complete shit and gives the entire medium a bad rap.

Anime in general went really downhill past like 2020, there's still a lot of good stuff like Vinland, Kengan, and a bunch of others, but all the big stuff I see is either basic unoriginal forgettable fantasy isekai type shit or obnoxious gooner trash, and it really saddens me. I saw Watanabe's getting a new show, though, so that's good.

P.S. watch Baccano.
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Cgi has been improving the medium since blue sub six way back when and everyones a little baby about any progress being made.
A show using a lot of CGI can work if it has a particular art style with good shading. If it's in a show with a basic look, the models look unfinished and out of place, and the usual lower framerate on them becomes much more noticeable.

I was put off of Kengan a little at first cuz I didn't know the show used (mostly) CG characters, BUT I grew to really appreciate the visual presentation of the show. JoJo intros are also a very good example, the models look amazing, granted intros usually have higher quality animation than the actual shows, but still.

No doubt it has definitely gotten better, though.
 
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You're so Coombrained its not even funny man, fuck off Gorse you are a lame ass cornball.

There's hot takes and then there's just desperate calls for attention. Calling Princess Mononoke overrated falls in the latter.

My hot take is that Anime was always 95% slop for Otaku coomer brains like Gorse, but at least in the 90's it had beautiful hand drawn artwork. Now its filled with crappy computer assisted animation with no soul and even less quality than what we had in the 90's.
 
There's hot takes and then there's just desperate calls for attention. Calling Princess Mononoke overrated falls in the latter.

My hot take is that Anime was always 95% slop for Otaku coomer brains like Gorse, but at least in the 90's it had beautiful hand drawn artwork. Now its filled with crappy computer assisted animation with no soul and even less quality than what we had in the 90's.
I also thought Princess Mononoke was overrated but probably for different reasons than the other guy. Its been forever since i've seen it though additively, but I remember it just kinda being ok and the ending anticlimactic. Maybe id like it more on a rewatch since again, its been forever.

My hot take besides that is that the best anime tend to be from the 70s and 80s. Not gonna say any decade is perfect, or any bs like that though. And theres still plenty of relatively recent anime thats good or even excellent. You just have to usually dig deep since its usually slop that gets the most attention.
 
True but the point is not about capitalism the point is no matter how much you bitch about it Japan will not change it because when your not the target demographic. All the complaining you do just becomes tire some nagging for the past 5 years people complained how much they hate Isekai. Yeah I heard you the first time after 5 years it becomes just pure excessive nagging and the only thing it does is make people rather sick of listening to the same complaint for the last 5 years.

Put a sock in it we will keep seeing Iskeai becuse that´s what japanese people want to see just how in the 70-80 we keept sing mech anime after mech anime after mech anime.
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Im calm im just sick of the excessive bitching for the past 5 years.
This is a bad thread to hang out in if you don't want to see any bitching lol. Consider your own logic, you can bitch about people bitching but they'll still keep bitching. Especially in a hot takes thread.

I think the 1970s is the best decade for anime.
This isn't a contrarian take just for fun, mind you, it's more that I don't watch a lot of stuff, but from what I've watched I've liked 70s stuff the most.

I think Pokémon Sun/Moon was the best the Pokémon anime ever looked.
70s and 80s are the best decades imo in terms of having the best of the best. Every decade has shit but when I think of the very best anime ever made imo more of them come from the 70s and 80s.
 
And bitching how much you hate same tired trope is not critique and just becuse you know how to write Fancition about how your favorite charter fucks you in the ass does not make you an expert on good writing and now what´s poplar in another culture.
LOL :loldog
 
THERE'S the Gorse I know and love!

Evangelion is one of those shows I've avoided because I know I'd probably be disappointed. Not because of my own expectations, but by how people elevate it. Just like *gasp* Undertale???
Evangelion is perfectly ok. Yeah I cant lie, I liked it well enough, but I gotta admit its obnoxious how much of it I see. Its far from the best thing ever.
 
Oh I forgot one of my big hot takes. Your name is utter garbage. Weathering with you was way better.
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Well one can call it bitching I see it more of reminding people they are not the center of the universe and there bitching for 5 years straight will not change anything so better shut the frack up. And yeah you can do a hot take but maybe come with something that´s not been nagged about for past 5 years.

I would say 70s and 80s has the most trash I ever seen. Animes like Nora or Chargeman ken or Dream hunter Rem just to name a few in the sea.
Expecting people to not rehash the same hot takes is expecting too much of people lol.

"Nora or Chargeman" this is just nitpicking the bottom of the barrel lol. Thats like saying the 2000s sucked for anime because of Mars of destruction and Skelter heaven lol.
 

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