Hot takes

[RustySK]

Miyazaki is right about Modern Anime.
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This.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

My Hero Academia derailed completely by Season 4 and then crawled to the finish line.

 

[miguk miguk]

Dragon Ball went downhill when Raditz showed up. It was better as a whimsical group adventure series than as an endless battle and level-up grind for 2-3 characters.

 

[Tonberry]

Dragonball is the best shonen story BECAUSE Toriyama winged so much of it (especially if you consider that he still was pretty heavily controlled by editors for much of the entire thing, which isn't necessarily a bad thing). That's the reason it feels so playful and varied, and why its simplicity never feels "dumb" as much as honest, and why the "serious" moments feel all the more impactful.

Not saying there aren't other great and well-made stories, but DB is still the GOAT in its demographic regardless, to me.

 

[Gorse]

The entire medium, and accompanying culture, went massively downhill after it became hyper-popular with Americans in 2015. I BLAME ALL OF YOU

 

[Tonberry]

Yes that's what i meant when i said he was right.

Sorry, I just got pedantic and wanted to add the reasoning in case people were unaware of the whole meme-quote comes from :)

 

[Viviana Santos]

Another controversial opinion I have is that Madoka Magica is incredibly mediocre and that Princess Tutu and Revolutionary Girl Utena are much better anime than Madoka.

 

[dropsmegamega]

There hasn't been a single truly good anime series made after 2010

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

- Precure has done far more for the magical girl genre than Madoka ever did.
- Outsourcing animation hasn't done a single positive thing.
- One Piece gets too much hate, but it isn't good either.
- Ufotable is overrated.
- The golden age ended 15 years ago.

 

[bjork]

It was all over once someone decided the title of a series needs to be a full sentence. You used to see a title and was vague enough to make you want to see what it's all about, even if the title ended up being unrelated in the end. Nowadays I see a series and it's like, "On June 7th I went to 7-11 and a girl there gave me a pocky and she's also my sister but she's really a slime from another dimension?!?!?!" and it's like... what the hell are you doing.

 

[Tonberry]

I think the 1970s is the best decade for anime.
This isn't a contrarian take just for fun, mind you, it's more that I don't watch a lot of stuff, but from what I've watched I've liked 70s stuff the most.

I think Pokémon Sun/Moon was the best the Pokémon anime ever looked.

 

[Viviana Santos]

Gurren Lagann is way better than Kill La Kill.

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

Here is an actual hot take:

Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt was peak Gainax.

 

[PrismRed]

People love to bitch how Isekai keeps using the same dumb concept but forgets that
Shōnen and romance anime keeps suing the same tropes over and over and over again yet no one complains.

And no 90s and early 2000 anime is not better than today´s anime. They mostly that changed is how it´s made back then it was more hand drawn but that would result it would take bloody longer to do a 12 episode show than it takes today.

The reason you hate modern anime is your stuck in the past and your taste is the same as it was then. Yeah anime has change but not for the worse it´s just you stuck in the past. You had shit anime in 90s the same as you have shit anime today just like how it is with video games you had you had Super man 64 then and Concord now.

Main stream anime sucks ass but just like pop music it´s made to brainwash you to think is great. And it is proof that majority of people have the same shitty taste hence why it´s mainstream.

Also FYI don´t like Iskeai don´t watch it. The reason it´s keep being made it´s not to please you, They are pleasing the Japanese market and they don´t give a fuck what you American or German or Belgian etc, think. You are not the fucking target audience. So you bitching about it is just you bitching the clouds.

It was all over once someone decided the title of a series needs to be a full sentence. You used to see a title and was vague enough to make you want to see what it's all about, even if the title ended up being unrelated in the end. Nowadays I see a series and it's like, "On June 7th I went to 7-11 and a girl there gave me a pocky and she's also my sister but she's really a slime from another dimension?!?!?!" and it's like... what the hell are you doing.

- Precure has done far more for the magical girl genre than Madoka ever did.
- Outsourcing animation hasn't done a single positive thing.
- One Piece gets too much hate, but it isn't good either.
- Ufotable is overrated.
- The golden age ended 15 years ago.

Thank you for expressing my opinion so I don't have type long text.

 

[Taukyrie]

The Fullbring/Lost Agent arc is the best arc of Bleach.

Sorry I don't have anything hotter I can think of than that at the moment.

 

[Tonberry]

Also FYI don´t like Iskeai don´t watch it. The reason it´s keep being made it´s not to please you, They are pleasing the Japanese market and they don´t give a fuck what you American or German or Belgian etc, think. You are not the fucking target audience. So you bitching about it is just you bitching the clouds.

I don't understand this at all. Why would you have to come from a perticular country in order to critique a piece of entertainment? It's not as if shallow underdog stories are an ostensibly japanese concept (it's kind of the opposite, actually).
Also, what's this fabled non-mainstream anime you talk about?

This is a hot takes thread, we're supposed to say things that may appear as inflammatory. Why is it that it always seems like you take personal offense to opinions you disagree with?

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

If anything i haven't seen a single actual hot take, and the ones i do disagree with are reasonable.

 

[fake-kun]

If anything i haven't seen a single actual hot take, and the ones i do disagree with are reasonable.

People love to think their opinions are more unique than they actually are.

 

[Gamma]

- Didn't much care for Kill la Kill, Little Witch Academia, Kiznaiver or any Trigger thing except for the stuff related to Gridman.

- Anime is not any more worse now beacause of Isekais, Shounens or whatever. There was always trends in each era.

 

[Viviana Santos]

People love to bitch how Isekai keeps using the same dumb concept but forgets that
Shōnen and romance anime keeps suing the same tropes over and over and over again yet no one complains.

And no 90s and early 2000 anime is not better than today´s anime. They mostly that changed is how it´s made back then it was more hand drawn but that would result it would take bloody longer to do a 12 episode show than it takes today.

The reason you hate modern anime is your stuck in the past and your taste is the same as it was then. Yeah anime has change but not for the worse it´s just you stuck in the past. You had shit anime in 90s the same as you have shit anime today just like how it is with video games you had you had Super man 64 then and Concord now.

Main stream anime sucks ass but just like pop music it´s made to brainwash you to think is great. And it is proof that majority of people have the same shitty taste hence why it´s mainstream.

Also FYI don´t like Iskeai don´t watch it. The reason it´s keep being made it´s not to please you, They are pleasing the Japanese market and they don´t give a fuck what you American or German or Belgian etc, think. You are not the fucking target audience. So you bitching about it is just you bitching the clouds.

You're not wrong, there's just as much bad old anime as there is bad modern anime, but the way you talk is simply too aggressive. Calm down dude.

 

[Tonberry]

Anime is not any more worse now beacause of Isekais, Shounens or whatever. There was always trends in each era.

Definitely. But it's generally easier to dislike a current trend than an old one simply because it's current. I wasn't alive in Japan during the late 70s/early 80s so I don't need to see a trillion mecha shows plastered everywhere in the same way. For me, it's not the setting/isekai ruleset in and of itself that makes it boring (because every subgenre definitely has something good), it's mainly how they're written.

 

[LiberoVulpesLiberoVulpes's icon]

I still remember the Harem era, and the Tsundere era.

There is always that one fad that gets overused. Its not really for better or for worse.

Although i dislike isekai, i can point to a few i do like. Same for modern anime, i don't think is as good as it was during the golden age, but i still watch and enjoy some shows.

 

[miguk miguk]

You're not wrong, there's just as much bad old anime as there is bad modern anime, but the way you talk is simply too aggressive. Calm down dude.

These threads ought to start off with everyone being required to put on this hat:

 

[Raziya The Seeker]

Yu Yu Hakusho is the best shounen... up until the Dark Tournament arc. Everything before that was great, though!

Saban's dubs for Digimon weren't the worst thing in the world... mostly. This is doubly true for the kinds of westernization of the 90s and 00s of anime. I feel like Digimon was one of the better ones of that era for Adventure, 02 and Tamers... y'know, from what little experience I have with other anime from that era. >_>

Speaking of Saban! Though only tangentially related, I'm at least glad for Power Rangers because without it, I'd have never seen Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger or Jetman. They aged like a fine wine. Power Rangers aged like milk.

 

[ciro64]

You're not wrong, there's just as much bad old anime as there is bad modern anime, but the way you talk is simply too aggressive. Calm down dude.

I'm completely fine with the tone of @Generic-name 's post, though I disagree with the last point saying it's pointless to complain about something because capitalism doesn't care. I've never seen this argument add anything fruitful to any discussion. If we feel like expressing our feelings towards a work of art, we should do it regardless of circumstances.