Yeah of course, sorry, I just meant that I was in the process of making my own post but I didn't want to appear as if I was outright ignoring your post just to drop my own wall of text, sorry for any confusion! :)
Just wanna reply to this bit to call it utterly insane on principle and to specifically compare a tweet from Toby joking about hipster's "liking things before they were cool" to Phil Fish telling people to kill themselves or Notch being an outright conspiracy nutso bigot is just... Truly bizarre to me. Especially when your example of why you dislike Notch is not any of the actual shitty or controversial things he has said but just that when engaging with someone being rude to him, he just puffed his chest a bit. Especially especially when your comments on the whole are more egotistical in tone and content than that tweet. But I guess since you're a consumer you're allowed to be vitriolic or whatever? To specifically go on to say "can't be decent" as if Toby saying "I'm proud of the thing I made and its blowing up and that's cool" somehow robs him of any level of decency.
Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
Yeah yeah yeah, you can justify it all you want – regardless of content, they're all just snide, passive-aggressive, ultimately-impotent posturing to me, meant entirely to bolster the dev's already-inflated ego even further. (Even Notch's political stuff, which I specifically didn't link so as not to muddle my point.) I'm sure you could find several examples of even more smug nonsense from all three of those developers and many more, I just chose the first three that came to mind.
Yep! I'm the one with the money, remember. If any of these dopes are allowed to be vitriolic on the internet, I – their potential customer – sure as heck am. Again, zero empathy for any of them – sorry.
I typed up a much longer response to this but decided against it. I think almost every word you have spilled in this thread is annoying to put it nicely and we've established there's no common ground for us. The amount of ego you allow yourself to have whilst demanding performative humbleness when addressing the public for anyone is silly. Creatives and consumers alike are not above or below each other. I treat the dude bragging about beating a hard game or winning a tournament the same way I treat someone who is proud of something they made. I'm happy that they're happy and I have no idea why anyone would try to make it deeper than that. So long as they're not propping themselves up to directly tear someone else down I'm chillin. The sin of choosing to release a work to the public doesn't suddenly change the standard I hold you to as a person and nothing that anyone has said has ever been able to convince me that it makes sense to do so. If I dislike the way someone acts as a creative I would also dislike it if they were purely a consumer and vice versa.
It's called "professionalism", and it's something you should have a pretty solid grip on if you're an adult selling a product. THAT'S ALL
This here is the sweet nectar that is the summation of truth. Our lines are ours; we love our lines, but others' lines might be squigglier or straighter than our own. Someone else's lines might even be curves!
...Would they? Aside from the collecting triangles as power-ups thing and the very superficial differences between Quote and Samus as characters (and, frankly, Samus is essentially a mute robot herself when she's in the suit), couldn't you make every one of those points for Metroid, too? You tell me, because I hate the Metroidvania genre.
Fair enough but imo it is an overrated concept. The way we view it tends to be kinda arbitrary and so many examples of what we view as respectful or professional are purely aesthetic and say little about your overall character (dress codes are a frequent example of this). Regardless I just fail to see why any standard someone does apply shouldn't go both ways. If something supposedly speaks poorly to your character when done as someone with an audience, it reads the same if they don't have one.
Maybe one exists because of the other. Nice avatar, love Samurai Jack!
You made good points.
Besides ZM I've beaten AM2R, SM and Fusion (neither fast nor efficiently, but I did) and yeah, everything you say is correct. Sequence break is a big thing in most of these, while I do believe you cannot sequence break Cave Story, it's a big difference in potential emergent play.
In Cave Story there is one instance where you can use your jetpack combined with the machine gun to bypass the elevator quest, but upon arriving at the top the developer basically tells you to go fuck yourself and go back. Not with these exact words of course xD
You mean 39 years
A shame I didn't find this thread earlier, this is entertaining.
Somnia, darling, this is the crux of our argument, and why we're never going to agree: I'm personally of the opinion that professionalism, maturity, and the ability to conduct oneself properly in public is essentially the most important attribute of being an adult. (This is irrelevant, but, as I've mentioned before, I've literally taught university courses about this very topic.) It may be insincere, yes, but so is the ridiculous persona that most famous people on the internet create for themselves, so "sincerity" really holds no value in the discussion.
)But RageBurner, that's my point: the fact that we need to dig into nitty-gritty granular details of each game to explain why their different is proof enough that, on a general level, they're unoriginal. When explaining Cave Story to someone who'd never played or heard of it before, you could dive into the intricacies of the Metroidvania genre, identify individual gameplay quirks (which themselves would require context) and reference the nuanced opinions of hardcore purists... but you'd likely begin your description with the phrase "It's like Metroid", or "It's like Earthbound", or "It's like Harvest Moon".
THAT TOO!!!!!! Of the examples I listed, as mentioned, I do like Minecraft – I think it's one of the best games ever made, and certainly the single most successful – so I can easily ignore whatever BS Notch says on a daily basis. I don't like Undertale or Fez or a lot of other indie games, so when I see their creators mouth off on social media, I have no problem with complaining about them on the internet.
You're actually taught to not do this (in just about any business-adjacent education) when marketing your product because it's a hack thing to do since it diverts attention away from your product.
Funnily, I was taught this in business school, too, but in the real world, it simply isn't true – especially in software, you see people describing their product as "IT'S LIKE AIRBNB FOR CARS!!!" all the time. How they get away with this without being massively sued is a mystery.
