HDMI adapter vs Retrotink Question

[Nidstang]

I'm looking for a solution to play PS2 and Gamecube on a modern TV, buying as a birthday gift. So opinions on:

PS2 - Retrotink 2X Pro w/ component cables vs Hyperkin PS2/PS1 HDMI adapter

Gamecube - Retrotink 2X Pro w/ component cables vs Carby

Or if there's another recommended solution. This person is not overly picky about scanlines and things like that. Just looking for something that will look good on modern displays with no/minimal input lag.
Thanks!

 

[Baldwookiee]

https://electron-shepherd.com/ Electron Pulse for PS2 and carby for gamecube

 

[TruxtonTatsujin]

For PS2:
- The hyperkin adapter is bad
- The 2X pro is a great device but doesn't handle interlaced signals the best. It uses the bob deinterlacing method.
- I like to use the GBS-Control for PS2 because it's the cheapest device that has motion adaptive deinterlacing. The higher end Retrotinks have it but are much more expensive.

idk about Gamecube but I've heard good things about the Carby, but keep in mind that all these direct HDMI adapters don't do any upscaling. 480p looks fine on modern displays but most don't handle 480i well. fyi most PS2 games only run in 480i, a lot of Gamecube games support 480p but not all.

 

[Nidstang]

For PS2:
- The hyperkin adapter is bad
- The 2X pro is a great device but doesn't handle interlaced signals the best. It uses the bob deinterlacing method.
- I like to use the GBS-Control for PS2 because it's the cheapest device that has motion adaptive deinterlacing. The higher end Retrotinks have it but are much more expensive.

idk about Gamecube but I've heard good things about the Carby, but keep in mind that all these direct HDMI adapters don't do any upscaling. 480p looks fine on modern displays but most don't handle 480i well. fyi most PS2 games only run in 480i, a lot of Gamecube games support 480p but not all.

Would you say the 2X Pro is BAD for PS2? Or just that there's better options?

 

[TruxtonTatsujin]

Would you say the 2X Pro is BAD for PS2? Or just that there's better options?

It's not bad, it was actually what I was using before getting the GBS-Control. It's just that bob deinterlacing causes this slight "jitter" effect that bothers some people. The image ever so slightly bobs up and down.

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[Nidstang]

It's not bad, it was actually what I was using before getting the GBS-Control. It's just that bob deinterlacing causes this slight "jitter" effect that bothers some people. The image ever so slightly bobs up and down.

Got it.
Is the GBS-Control fairly plug and play? I'm buying for my brother and he's not really much of a tinkerer when it comes to visual settings and things. So I'm looking for things fairly plug and play, which is why I thought the Carby would be good (there isn't really anything like that for PS2), and if he wanted he could get himself like a MClassic down the line if he wanted... but I wasn't sure about PS2, and the 2X Pro seemed like an affordable starter scarler. But now I'm second guessing that.

 

[TruxtonTatsujin]

Got it.
Is the GBS-Control fairly plug and play? I'm buying for my brother and he's not really much of a tinkerer when it comes to visual settings and things. So I'm looking for things fairly plug and play, which is why I thought the Carby would be good (there isn't really anything like that for PS2), and if he wanted he could get himself like a MClassic down the line if he wanted... but I wasn't sure about PS2, and the 2X Pro seemed like an affordable starter scarler. But now I'm second guessing that.

GBS-Control is a little dui, so for someone who doesn't like to tinker I'd say Retrotink 2x pro is the better option. It's much more plug and play. Motion adaptive does look nicer than bob but it's not like the difference in quality is huge.

 

[Nidstang]

GBS-Control is a little dui, so for someone who doesn't like to tinker I'd say Retrotink 2x pro is the better option. It's much more plug and play. Motion adaptive does look nicer than bob but it's not like the difference in quality is huge.

Cool. I appreciate the insight!

 

[TruxtonTatsujin]

https://electron-shepherd.com/ Electron Pulse for PS2 and carby for gamecube

Electron Shepherd's stuff is good, I actually just ordered they're OG Xbox adapter not to long ago.
But like I said before they don't do any upscaling themselves so for something like the PS2 it's not a great option.

 

[Stare best girl]

For PS2:
- The hyperkin adapter is bad
- The 2X pro is a great device but doesn't handle interlaced signals the best. It uses the bob deinterlacing method.
- I like to use the GBS-Control for PS2 because it's the cheapest device that has motion adaptive deinterlacing. The higher end Retrotinks have it but are much more expensive.

idk about Gamecube but I've heard good things about the Carby, but keep in mind that all these direct HDMI adapters don't do any upscaling. 480p looks fine on modern displays but most don't handle 480i well. fyi most PS2 games only run in 480i, a lot of Gamecube games support 480p but not all.

I heard that most of Gamecube games that doesn't support 480p natively, can be forced to 480p with Swiss just like Nintendont's Force Progressive

 

[ThatOneLum ThatOneLum]

Personally I've got a lot of milage out of just using Component cables on my modern TV with my PS2. That said, It's an older TV so it's possible more modern ones don't support component directly.

If that's the case, I@ve heard that the Hyerpkin Cables/adapter boxes suck ass. If you want a really upscaled solution, RetroTink or an OSSC (Open-Source Scan Converter) are you best ways to go.

 

[nobitakun]

Cant you give as a gift a CRT TV? I don't think they cost much on second hand markets.

If the person is not demanding, the adapter could do the job I suppose.

 

[LouieBee]

I'm looking for a solution to play PS2 and Gamecube on a modern TV, buying as a birthday gift. So opinions on:

PS2 - Retrotink 2X Pro w/ component cables vs Hyperkin PS2/PS1 HDMI adapter

Gamecube - Retrotink 2X Pro w/ component cables vs Carby

Or if there's another recommended solution. This person is not overly picky about scanlines and things like that. Just looking for something that will look good on modern displays with no/minimal input lag.
Thanks!

If you want a cheaper solution, I would advise buying a Component Cable and then hooking it up to a GBS-Control.

Places like Aliexpress sell them by the dozen, they will do motion adaptive deinterlacing for your 480i games and handle progressive resolutions, such as 240p and 480p, like a champ.

You don't need to watch the whole video but my gameplay clip here should you some idea as to what to expect from it in action

 

[PhrawzT]

I have the Hyperkin PS2 HDMI cable and it works, but I have noticed that it occasionally cuts out giving me a black screen for a second before fixing itself.

 

[NeonKnights]

For the PS2 I'd recommend the GBSC with the component cables.
Not sure about the GameCube though as I just use my Picoboot modded DOL-001
with an S-Video cable plugged directly into my early 2000s LCD TV and it works great, I do the same for my N64. Just don't make the mistake I did and get the Pound cable HDMI converter. It's horrible for the PS2. The picture is blurry and the aspect ratio was all wrong if I remember correctly. It worked pretty well for the PS1 though.

 

[Nidstang]

Another thought, if his TV has a component input, what's the input lag difference in just plugging the console directly in with component cables vs having something like the Retrotink or a GBS-Control in between?

If you want a cheaper solution, I would advise buying a Component Cable and then hooking it up to a GBS-Control.

Places like Aliexpress sell them by the dozen, they will do motion adaptive deinterlacing for your 480i games and handle progressive resolutions, such as 240p and 480p, like a champ.

You don't need to watch the whole video but my gameplay clip here should you some idea as to what to expect from it in action

I'm gonna be honest, I never buy off AliExpress, quality is too all over the place. It's part of why I don't know much about many open source projects like this because I'm too stupid to build them myself, and don't know many reputable sellers.

 

[Baldwookiee]

Electron Shepherd's stuff is good, I actually just ordered they're OG Xbox adapter not to long ago.
But like I said before they don't do any upscaling themselves so for something like the PS2 it's not a great option.

I read it as he wasn't looking to upscale but just play games on a modern display. I agree with you though the GBSC is a good option for a cheap up-scaler.

 

[TruxtonTatsujin]

I heard that most of Gamecube games that doesn't support 480p natively, can be forced to 480p with Swiss just like Nintendont's Force Progressive

That's true, but you need a modded GameCube or Wii to do it, it's also true for the few Wii games that don't support 480p. I use a modded Wii with forced 480p plugged directly into my TV with component cables. OG Xbox can be forced into 480p mode as well. PS2 on the other hand is not so lucky so I need to run I through a scaler.

Another thought, if his TV has a component input, what's the input lag difference in just plugging the console directly in with component cables vs having something like the Retrotink or a GBS-Control in between?

If the console outputs 480p and up, input delay is fine. However when you give a modern display 480i the TV will use it's internal deinterlacer to display the image. In my experience this deinterlacer adds massive input delay, it's like a full second.

I built my GBS-Control myself, you can get pre-built ones on aliexpress but the quality is all over the place, that's why I said the RetroTink 2X pro is the easier option.

 

[Nidstang]

I'm glad I have a CRT for my own uses, and just plan to get a Retrotink 4k when my CRT eventually dies. I'm far more finnicky than my brother, and will spend a lot of time tweaking filters and shaders, and stuff and care about proper upscaling and whatnot.

Thanks for all the recommendations. I think I'm gonna go with the 2X Pro and a set of HDRetrovision comp cables for the PS2 and a set of Retro Bit Prism comp cables for the Gamecube to get for him.

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Hmmm, I also forgot he has a Wii. Buying him some HD Retrovision cables for the Wii vs the Retro Bit Prism cables for the Gamecube might be the move. Need to ponder this.