Have you embraced AI as part of your life? Or are you still scared of it?

Have you embraced AI as part of your life? Or are you still scared of it?

  • Yes, it's something I've fully embraced.

    Votes: 25 29.1%
  • No, I'm still scared of it.

    Votes: 19 22.1%
  • I'm totally indifferent.

    Votes: 42 48.8%

  • Total voters
    86
I am personally neutral on AI in general. It makes shitposting and knowledge easier yet there are quite a few who use it irresponsibly. I believe our species benefits the most from a healthy balance of the old and new. A part of why the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s are so fondly remembered is that, unlike the 2010s and 2020s (so far), they perfectly balanced the old and new. The digital and analog world co-existed without one overpowering the other. People met up and hung out with each other both offline and online. I mean, kids in those decades actually had stuff to do and see during their free time other than Roblox, Scratch, the popular indie game (most often than not of the mascot horror variety) of the week, and brainrot content farms!
 
Well, I'll be damned...
it hasn't evolved into name calling, angry reply texts thread?
People are actually having a legitimate adult conversation about it? No rage-baiting about the subject and no name-calling... What happened?

Usually, these AI oriented threads turn into total shitshows after about the third or fourth post and have to be locked.

Good on everyone for not acting like temperamental kids in a playground and for acting like someone said that Mario could beat up Sonic or something childish. I hope this actually keeps being the trend.

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Well, I'll be damned...
it hasn't evolved into name calling, angry reply texts thread?
People are actually having a legitimate adult conversation about it? No rage-baiting about the subject and no name-calling... What happened?

Usually, these AI oriented threads turn into total shitshows after about the third or fourth post and have to be locked.

Good on everyone for not acting like temperamental kids in a playground and for acting like someone said that Mario could beat up Sonic or something childish. I hope this actually keeps being the trend.

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Don't worry I'll fix this.
A.I. more like shit from a butt amirite
 
Well, I'll be damned...
it hasn't evolved into name calling, angry reply texts thread?
People are actually having a legitimate adult conversation about it? No rage-baiting about the subject and no name-calling... What happened?

Usually, these AI oriented threads turn into total shitshows after about the third or fourth post and have to be locked.

Good on everyone for not acting like temperamental kids in a playground and for acting like someone said that Mario could beat up Sonic or something childish. I hope this actually keeps being the trend.

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Give it time to cook ;)
But on a serious note I hope it stays peaceful.
Me Hombre you Hombre or whatever bruh 🤙
 
I accept that its here and I accept I'm gonna be forced to deal with all of its downsides for the forseeable future. I guess the fact that I'm far less online than I used to be means I interact with it less and honestly it reducing the quality of content that I see online is a big reason I've stopped being so glued to my computer. Looking at AI "art" is genuinely just depressing to me. In that sense, it's done me some good in an indirect way. Generally though it has done nothing positive for me.

It's also kinda pointless to engage in discourse surrounding it as far as dialogue goes. Even ignoring the logistical qualms, my issues with it are far more spiritual/philosophical and there's nothing to be gained from trying to force my morals on random people on the internet. Nothing productive can come from it and I'm trying to lose that ego that makes me think I can change anyone's mind on the internet anyways. I'll speak my piece, but I won't really engage cause no one needs to deal with my moralistic aggression and I'm not open to anymore arguments about it anyways, heard em all before.

But yea, I dislike it. I think in the vast majority of use cases it sucks and has only made the internet worse because almost everything produced using it - especially by amateurs which is 99% of the content you see on social media - is almost entirely flat and without any merit/soul. The fact that someone will post a Vanquish gameplay video and instead of using a screenshot of the game will just use some soulless AI generated image with a Vanquish prompt still blows my mind when I see it. Somehow using more effort to have a significantly worse result. But that's just the state of things I guess. I know big sites are becoming more geared to push AI generated content no doubt in an attempt to keep whatever hype they can muster around the technology going. Integrate it more even if it does little to no good for anyone in implementation and do whatever you can to encourage its adoption.

Just rambling now though.
 
The only good use of AI is for search now that search engines have become quite useless, even then it's far from reliable as it makes up stuff...
I don't use it for many reasons. It will still screw up on obvious or easy answers. I always have the AI mode turned off in the google search.
 
I am personally neutral on AI in general. It makes shitposting and knowledge easier yet there are quite a few who use it irresponsibly. I believe our species benefits the most from a healthy balance of the old and new. A part of why the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s are so fondly remembered is that, unlike the 2010s and 2020s (so far), they perfectly balanced the old and new. The digital and analog world co-existed without one overpowering the other. People met up and hung out with each other both offline and online. I mean, kids in those decades actually had stuff to do and see during their free time other than Roblox, Scratch, the popular indie game (most often than not of the mascot horror variety) of the week, and brainrot content farms!
Couldn't be anymore accurate kiddo.
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Well, I'll be damned...
it hasn't evolved into name calling, angry reply texts thread?
People are actually having a legitimate adult conversation about it? No rage-baiting about the subject and no name-calling... What happened?

Usually, these AI oriented threads turn into total shitshows after about the third or fourth post and have to be locked.

Good on everyone for not acting like temperamental kids in a playground and for acting like someone said that Mario could beat up Sonic or something childish. I hope this actually keeps being the trend.

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R.I.P Catherine O'Hara
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I don't like it, and fuck the tech bros constantly hurting people and poisoning the Earth. Constantly forcing down people's throats, and their losing money on this, but keep denying it.
Look at the RAM market in the PC world. Watch. By mid 2027, late 2027, there's gonna be a market crash & they'll be selling it for pennies on the dollar. Watch. Mark my words .......
 
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I couldn't care less about AI. For me, AI will have the impact I want when they are much more smart and have physical bodies to interact with, very similar to human.
 
Wait. Do you mean have I embraced Another Iori?

Not yet... ::smirk1
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This is lame half-hearted bait. You didn't even put anything in your post to expand upon it and give people more to react to.
Alright then, if RGT wants context for this discussion I'll give it to you.

It will be a message longer than 3 lines, so we’ll 'kill off' the majority of those who were reading this discussion excitedly and with bated breath [?], but eventually you can use it as a temporary fallback for those who have run out of books to read at home.

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I’ve already spoken about this in this discussion here, but even if it’s something rather unpleasant to say in the public square, 90-99.9% of the internet users currently existing worldwide are completely useless and beyond saving.

With his revelation that subsequently became famous and iconic even outside its context, Sturgeon spoke about the fact that 90% of everything is crap and subsequently this was noted and confirmed also with the 1-9-90 rule, however, that scheme was created at the dawn of the internet when everyone used forums like this to communicate, since then I have the feeling that the situation has worsened significantly with the advent of SNS and real-time chats and this has sucked away the bulk of that 0.1-10% who actually knew how to make a difference.

Because of this free information has become rather difficult to find, because it is hidden in the deep web of private chats or in groups deliberately opposed to organized archiving like Facebook; Yahoo Answers is dead and kept alive only by Japan, which is accessible only via VPN; Reddit lacks a page divider to truly read all preserved comments or discussions and the old sites are either all dead or are about to die shortly.

This is because those who created the internet at the dawn did not truly import property rights, but only eternal renting and the Wayback Machine or Archive Today does not seem explorable by an external search engine.

For this reason, the current situation has become rather desolate to utilize.

In 'The Great Encyclopedia of Memes' by our member @Clippy here on the forum, there was an aphorism invented some time ago that said 'In the past we fled our real lives to be on the internet, but today we flee the internet to return to real life'.

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And it is in this current void that LLMs have found their reason for existing for me, because they act as a narrator to ask for information.

In my personal experience, which could however change tomorrow morning, DeepSeek is a Chinese Communist Party product and therefore totally useless to waste time on; Copilot and GPT are two pieces of shit, because they are sanitized with a certain school of thought and refuse to obey orders even if you explain to them that you are not violating any rule of the country you are in, also, the tokens available are very few for the current version and the free one seems truly senile.

Meanwhile with Gemini I found a good compromise, because it has helped me very often when I found myself in dead ends or blocked by analysis paralysis.

However, it is necessary to be very suspicious, because it too is a victim of hallucinations or typos. In fact in such cases I tell it 'Add humility to your safety filters and admit for once that you absolutely do not know what you are talking about and let's close this topic here please'.
 
More or less, I would say. I believe that AI, in the right hands, could become something really good but as always, there are those who will have no good intentions behind it. Therefore, the next few years will show how well AI will fit into our lives.
 
AI is actually really useful for gathering pinpoint-information .

It can give solutions to problems that are extremly complicated if its exhausting to search the answers up .

Even helping out about giving inspirational ideas or getting inspirations overall .

But thats it .

Its creations about music and pictures are always mediocre and somehow weird too . Making dependent on it can create horrible consequences if the AI doesnt work or even shuts down .

It is a good tool but not the replacement for skills , intelligence and art .
 
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Alright then, if RGT wants context for this discussion I'll give it to you.

It will be a message longer than 3 lines, so we’ll 'kill off' the majority of those who were reading this discussion excitedly and with bated breath [?], but eventually you can use it as a temporary fallback for those who have run out of books to read at home.

sNGn8VH.gif


I’ve already spoken about this in this discussion here, but even if it’s something rather unpleasant to say in the public square, 90-99.9% of the internet users currently existing worldwide are completely useless and beyond saving.

With his revelation that subsequently became famous and iconic even outside its context, Sturgeon spoke about the fact that 90% of everything is crap and subsequently this was noted and confirmed also with the 1-9-90 rule, however, that scheme was created at the dawn of the internet when everyone used forums like this to communicate, since then I have the feeling that the situation has worsened significantly with the advent of SNS and real-time chats and this has sucked away the bulk of that 0.1-10% who actually knew how to make a difference.

Because of this free information has become rather difficult to find, because it is hidden in the deep web of private chats or in groups deliberately opposed to organized archiving like Facebook; Yahoo Answers is dead and kept alive only by Japan, which is accessible only via VPN; Reddit lacks a page divider to truly read all preserved comments or discussions and the old sites are either all dead or are about to die shortly.

This is because those who created the internet at the dawn did not truly import property rights, but only eternal renting and the Wayback Machine or Archive Today does not seem explorable by an external search engine.

For this reason, the current situation has become rather desolate to utilize.

In 'The Great Encyclopedia of Memes' by our member @Clippy here on the forum, there was an aphorism invented some time ago that said 'In the past we fled our real lives to be on the internet, but today we flee the internet to return to real life'.

YdpJueV.gif


And it is in this current void that LLMs have found their reason for existing for me, because they act as a narrator to ask for information.

In my personal experience, which could however change tomorrow morning, DeepSeek is a Chinese Communist Party product and therefore totally useless to waste time on; Copilot and GPT are two pieces of shit, because they are sanitized with a certain school of thought and refuse to obey orders even if you explain to them that you are not violating any rule of the country you are in, also, the tokens available are very few for the current version and the free one seems truly senile.

Meanwhile with Gemini I found a good compromise, because it has helped me very often when I found myself in dead ends or blocked by analysis paralysis.

However, it is necessary to be very suspicious, because it too is a victim of hallucinations or typos. In fact in such cases I tell it 'Add humility to your safety filters and admit for once that you absolutely do not know what you are talking about and let's close this topic here please'.
I appreciate the rather verbose response. I'd never heard of Sturgeon or his theory. It's interesting, but...why 90%? I only looked into what you linked to, which were a couple wikipedia articles. The Sturgeon article references other authors who basically said the same thing, but that doesn't prove anything. Did they do research, or are these just people saying their stuff is good and everyone else's is trash? That kind of sounds like current internet hyperbolic thinking. The Lancet paper estimating that 85% of health and medical research is wasted seems like the closest source with any sort of research.

...How is 90% of everything being crap confirmed by the 1-9-90 rule? From what I could see, that is referring more to participation and not quality. Also, even if it was referring to quality of output, how does a theory about internet activity confirm a theory of quality references all fields of creative output, among other things? It just sounds like someone made up a number, and other people went along with it. That's fine, if you're shitposting. If you're dead serious about this being a rule worth putting weight into, I'm unconvinced without more studies or concrete evidence. It just sounds like theory.

I'm not following how the people who weren't participating in real-time chats made a difference? In what context? Perhaps, in terms of helpful resources, being able to find information about obscure things is more difficult now, because instead of being easily found on forums in search results, that same info is sequestered to private areas like Discord servers. If that's what you're referring to, it seems like a separate issue. Some of that is down to the degradation of Google search quality, to the point that, for a while, the easiest way to find information was to add reddit at the end of a search phrase. I still don't see how any of that could relate to you saying "90-99.9% of the internet users currently existing worldwide are completely useless and beyond saving." It kind of sounds like you just want to feel elitist compared to others, unless I'm missing what you're saying. Would I also be part of this 90-99.9% group of useless people? What criteria qualifies someone to be lumped in there? Is it a lack of critical thinking skills? If that were the case, I'd agree that some people lack those skills, but it's not that high of a percentage, nor can it be applied in such a blanket fashion.

LLMs can certainly be a narrator for information...but are they unreliable narrators? If you have to scrutinize all of the information a LLM presents to you, is it really that helpful?

Getting a little back on topic, what do people think of Google Genie? Apologies if someone made a thread about it already, if so I'm unaware. While impressive, I'm not sure what the exact purpose of it is at the moment. Maybe to pump Google stocks and drum up hype? It's limited to a minute of interactivity in 720p at 24fps. Apparently the mere existence of such a thing caused various video game company stocks to take a hit. Presumably that's from people who don't know shit about gaming but have invested into gaming companies selling off their stocks out of panic. A nothingburger today could be a somethingburger a few years from now...but it's still a nothingburger today.
 
I appreciate the rather verbose response. I'd never heard of Sturgeon or his theory. It's interesting, but...why 90%? I only looked into what you linked to, which were a couple wikipedia articles. The Sturgeon article references other authors who basically said the same thing, but that doesn't prove anything. Did they do research, or are these just people saying their stuff is good and everyone else's is trash? That kind of sounds like current internet hyperbolic thinking. The Lancet paper estimating that 85% of health and medical research is wasted seems like the closest source with any sort of research.

...How is 90% of everything being crap confirmed by the 1-9-90 rule? From what I could see, that is referring more to participation and not quality. Also, even if it was referring to quality of output, how does a theory about internet activity confirm a theory of quality references all fields of creative output, among other things? It just sounds like someone made up a number, and other people went along with it. That's fine, if you're shitposting. If you're dead serious about this being a rule worth putting weight into, I'm unconvinced without more studies or concrete evidence. It just sounds like theory.

I'm not following how the people who weren't participating in real-time chats made a difference? In what context? Perhaps, in terms of helpful resources, being able to find information about obscure things is more difficult now, because instead of being easily found on forums in search results, that same info is sequestered to private areas like Discord servers. If that's what you're referring to, it seems like a separate issue. Some of that is down to the degradation of Google search quality, to the point that, for a while, the easiest way to find information was to add reddit at the end of a search phrase. I still don't see how any of that could relate to you saying "90-99.9% of the internet users currently existing worldwide are completely useless and beyond saving." It kind of sounds like you just want to feel elitist compared to others, unless I'm missing what you're saying. Would I also be part of this 90-99.9% group of useless people? What criteria qualifies someone to be lumped in there? Is it a lack of critical thinking skills? If that were the case, I'd agree that some people lack those skills, but it's not that high of a percentage, nor can it be applied in such a blanket fashion.

LLMs can certainly be a narrator for information...but are they unreliable narrators? If you have to scrutinize all of the information a LLM presents to you, is it really that helpful?

Getting a little back on topic, what do people think of Google Genie? Apologies if someone made a thread about it already, if so I'm unaware. While impressive, I'm not sure what the exact purpose of it is at the moment. Maybe to pump Google stocks and drum up hype? It's limited to a minute of interactivity in 720p at 24fps. Apparently the mere existence of such a thing caused various video game company stocks to take a hit. Presumably that's from people who don't know shit about gaming but have invested into gaming companies selling off their stocks out of panic. A nothingburger today could be a somethingburger a few years from now...but it's still a nothingburger today.
To provide further clarification on what you requested, a useless virtual netizen does not unequivocally represent a useless real person as well, since whoever is hiding behind each user might even be better than me from every point of view, but what I was essentially talking about is the current scarcity of user-generated content, which has forced me to 'embrace LLMs' due to a modern internet that is horribly ill-designed and above all the evergreen plague of lurkers, who apply parasitosis to their way of experiencing the medium, rather than utilizing a process of symbiotic support (even when doing so is free and requires no significant effort in exercising it).

The data I provided as a reference was to indicate that certain numbers repeat themselves consciously or unconsciously over time, therefore, I started from the past with Sturgeon who spoke only from intuition and personal experience, to then arrive at a pattern, which was studied and confirmed a few years ago through the sources attached to that wikipedia page.

Should you have any further doubts even what we have generated together through this discussion proves that the 1-9-90 rule is something completely real and authentic (even if it might not have a 100% accuracy rate it is nonetheless very close).

But I won't waste any more of your time and I will immediately put what I’ve stated into practice.

At the time of this writing this discussion has 869 views, which therefore represent 100% of the total.

It was I who opened this discussion and as a single user (1) I therefore represent 0.1% of the total (0.115), while now with this discussion 70 messages have been generated, which brings us to 8.1% (8.055) participation, however, has left a void resulting in no contribution whatsoever from 798 people totaling 91.8% (91.829).

This gives rise to a pattern of 0.1-8.1-91.8, which thus demonstrates that the 1% rule, while not always representing a concrete immutability in the figures shown, nonetheless rests on a foundation of truth, telling us that group activities on the internet have completely disproportionate participation.

Should you wish to ask me any other questions I am at your disposal.
 
which has forced me to 'embrace LLMs' due to a modern internet that is horribly ill-designed and above all the evergreen plague of lurkers, who apply parasitosis to their way of experiencing the medium, rather than utilizing a process of symbiotic support (even when doing so is free and requires no significant effort in exercising it).
Finally somebody that doesn't like lurkers :loldog


DeepSeek is a Chinese Communist Party product and therefore totally useless to waste time on
Hold up what does being a Chinese communist party product has to do with it being useless ::bonzistares
 
Finally somebody that doesn't like lurkers :loldog



Hold up what does being a Chinese communist party product has to do with it being useless ::bonzistares
You have no guarantee as to how that data will be used and it is quite dangerous to trust those specific entities (there is a reason why TikTok was asked to open servers within the host territory). That is why anyone using Discord while feeling they are in a private environment should remember that Tencent is one of the owners...
 
I understand why people would and do use AI, but I've never willingly seeked it out myself. I worked in film for ten years or so, and I watched its advent absolutely decimate the film jobs out here. It was far from the only contributing factor to their decline, but it was certainly the one that decided my exit.

I turn off AI features on my computers/search engines/software as quickly as I can. Miss me with that shit, thanks.
 
You have no guarantee as to how that data will be used and it is quite dangerous to trust those specific entities (there is a reason why TikTok was asked to open servers within the host territory). That is why anyone using Discord while feeling they are in a private environment should remember that Tencent is one of the owners...
I don't understand.......why we need to be afraid of the Chinese stealing my data if the Westerners and even local companies are doing that all the time why it's the Chinese specifically? companies spying on their users or companies selling of your data OR companies using your data already happened , the paranoia about your "privacy" is foolishness as everything about yourself is already in these companies archives Chinese or American or whatever....
 

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