Have you embraced AI as part of your life? Or are you still scared of it?

[jankusanagi jankusanagi]

The question in the title of the thread, and the available options in the poll are sooooo wrong

 

[Anoobis]

When it first started coming out, I thought briefly that generative AI could do things like empower small teams or even individuals without a lot of money to create movies or games on a big budget scale.

What appears to be actually happening is the big studios using AI to make the same crap they already do, while having fewer people be able to make a living in the ecosystems.

 

[diet_orange]

I see AI as a tool that has constantly and consistently been abused, much to the dismay of the general public. As an artist, I largely dislike it, because art is about putting yourself out there creatively (speaking to the soul) and the community is being decimated by a bunch of people who have no passion and just want a quick buck

I do believe, in a transhuman fashion, that the future (or next stage of evolution, whatever you want to call it) is a melding of man and machine. But certainly not like this

 

[medisinn]

To provide further clarification on what you requested, a useless virtual netizen does not unequivocally represent a useless real person as well, since whoever is hiding behind each user might even be better than me from every point of view, but what I was essentially talking about is the current scarcity of user-generated content, which has forced me to 'embrace LLMs' due to a modern internet that is horribly ill-designed and above all the evergreen plague of lurkers, who apply parasitosis to their way of experiencing the medium, rather than utilizing a process of symbiotic support (even when doing so is free and requires no significant effort in exercising it).

The data I provided as a reference was to indicate that certain numbers repeat themselves consciously or unconsciously over time, therefore, I started from the past with Sturgeon who spoke only from intuition and personal experience, to then arrive at a pattern, which was studied and confirmed a few years ago through the sources attached to that wikipedia page.

Should you have any further doubts even what we have generated together through this discussion proves that the 1-9-90 rule is something completely real and authentic (even if it might not have a 100% accuracy rate it is nonetheless very close).

But I won't waste any more of your time and I will immediately put what I’ve stated into practice.

At the time of this writing this discussion has 869 views, which therefore represent 100% of the total.

It was I who opened this discussion and as a single user (1) I therefore represent 0.1% of the total (0.115), while now with this discussion 70 messages have been generated, which brings us to 8.1% (8.055) participation, however, has left a void resulting in no contribution whatsoever from 798 people totaling 91.8% (91.829).

This gives rise to a pattern of 0.1-8.1-91.8, which thus demonstrates that the 1% rule, while not always representing a concrete immutability in the figures shown, nonetheless rests on a foundation of truth, telling us that group activities on the internet have completely disproportionate participation.

Should you wish to ask me any other questions I am at your disposal.

I appreciate the response. Okay, I get it now. Useless in this case refers to output, someone useless is someone who does not contribute. That makes sense. Although if you're comparing lurkers to LLMs, that seems like a quantity issue. You'll get as much output as desired from a LLM, but the quality is certainly not guaranteed. Not that the quality is guaranteed with humans either. In theory, the quantity of possible content is far higher with humans, given that humans are posting based off of their own thoughts, and LLMs are posting based off of what they have been trained on.

I didn't realize there was a way to see thread views, that's pretty neat. Your viewpoint makes a lot more sense, though the waters are still muddy to me. Input seems pretty binary in this case, someone has either contributed, or they haven't, regardless of post length or quality. If someone posts once and then not again, how long before they'd be considered a lurker once more? Of the 70 messages at the time of your reply, surely they weren't made by 70 different people. I suppose that would be a sub-statistic, the amount of people within the contributing group who have contributed more than once. Maybe RGT is a good example of the 1-9-90 rule, I dunno. I think the environment of a forum encourages posting and being involved more than a social media site would, since to access information(threads and the posts within them), it takes more effort than simply accessing an infinite scrolling feed. You're likely more interested in engaging with the site in the first place if you're here. Then again, perhaps RGT is a bad example, due to the fact that you need to register an account to even see the forums, regardless of if you post or not. Apparently there are almost 900,000 registered accounts, so the actual amount of people participating in the forums is surely not even 1% of that, which would be 9,000. I do agree there's definitely disproportionate participation, that's easy to tell just from seeing any given user's number of messages and participation score.

As far as 1 9 90 referencing to quality, I still don't agree with that since I haven't seen any actual proof. Participation statistics are one thing, a quality metric is different. Not to mention, the perceived quality of a work is far more subjective to measure. It is interesting that a similar ratio has been referenced before and after Sturgeon, but it still seems like subjective guesswork. It's certainly interesting. I guess it depends on your framework of quality. If you take video games on the whole, could you really say that 90% of them are bad or worse? It probably depends on the sample pool. In the era before digital storefronts, I'd say there's no way. Maybe only 10% of the games in that pool could be considered great or better, but that's also a different subjective argument. However, if you took a look at Steam, considering the sheer amount of games available, and the amount of often(not always, of course) low-quality games(asset flips, RPG maker games, AI garbage, things made with stolen assets), an argument that 10% of games are good makes more sense. I wouldn't even say 90% of games there are bad, but maybe 10% are worth playing for any one person.

 

[BrawlMan]

Looks like that bubble is starting to burst.

Google’s new AI spooks investors, sending gaming stocks into a freefall

Google shows off Genie 3 and suddenly investors act like the entire gaming industry is about to be replaced by AI overnight.

www.windowscentral.com

 

[Deleted member 466]

Looks like that bubble is starting to burst.

Google’s new AI spooks investors, sending gaming stocks into a freefall

Google shows off Genie 3 and suddenly investors act like the entire gaming industry is about to be replaced by AI overnight.

www.windowscentral.com

Investors can be quite stupid, we just went through a massive industry change because their push for live service gaming killed many studios. Google's AI just makes a 3d model move, nothing else.

 

[BigTony]

For artistic stuff i use it pretty sparingly as someone that uses photoshop and blender semi-professionally its huge a help. I wouldn't use it to generate an entire image or texture but for small things its amazing.

 

[zalen0]

I think AI can be useful, but only if youre willing to put in the work.

I don't use it for many reasons. It will still screw up on obvious or easy answers. I always have the AI mode turned off in the google search.

Im a big fan of Inquiry-Based Learning.

According to the google search AI (lol):
It involves generating an initial answer or hypothesis and then systematically researching, gathering, and comparing other potential answers to deeply investigate a topic, analyze evidence, and identify gaps in knowledge.

Thats what Ive already been doing all my life.
So why not utilize the quick search AI to get a general idea on a question, then research a lot more, to see where things differ, and or align/make sense.

 

[BrawlMan]

Thats what Ive already been doing all my life.
So why not utilize the quick search AI to get a general idea on a question, then research a lot more, to see where things differ, and or align/make sense.

I can already do that without it before, and can do so now.

 

[Grumpy_Old_Man]

Nah, I want to do things with my own hands,
I want to fail,
I want to be responsible for my own actions,
And more importantly, why should i bore myself to death giving my life to an overlord.

 

[StevenMcFlyJr StevenMcFlyJr]

Nah, I want to do things with my own hands,
I want to fail,
I want to be responsible for my own actions,
And more importantly, why should i bore myself to death giving my life to an overlord.

Right? We already have enough of that as is ...

 

[Jdan-S]

The way the title is worded presents a loaded question. Fear is not the only possible reason why people haven't embraced it.

But anyway, as a digital artist, I still prefer to rely on my own skills. If I need a certain illustration, I can draw it exactly how I want it. Artists are seldom good from the start; it takes practice. Learning new skills and reaching certain milestones is what makes it worthwhile, not just the final product.

I also have concerns with the use of AI for writing. I'm a former copywriter/editor and currently a writing consultant, so I'm against ChatGPT and essay mills for the sake of integrity. If AI wrote the content, that's not much different from plagiarizing someone else's existing work. In either case, the supposed author didn't actually write it.

I am not against the use of AI for generating ideas. For instance, if someone generates an image, that could serve as a reference, not as the final product. Writers could also ask AI for advice and get leads on what to research, but they'll need to do some fact-checking and write the final paper themselves.

I acknowledge that no matter how much people resist it, AI is here to stay. People who know how to work with and without AI will have an edge. However, we're at a point where it has loosely defined bounds or restrictions, much like the early Internet's wild west days. It needs proper control.

 

[Bakuma1997]

I don't mind it, ChatGPT can be a lifesaver often and i use it for some shit and giggles questions, it's its misuse and abuse that grinds mah gear, no matter what AIBros say, AI will never replace writers or artists because it lacks the human factor that allows it to be filtered or corrected properly

 

[Another Iori]

I'm aware of the damage AI poses to some jobs/people and I'm not trying to dismiss it or justify it... But I just love the hell out of it.

It's like a friend who never runs out of things to say, can't block you (even when it really wants to) and can sit through my endless rants about everything.

It's works 24/7, I don't have to pay for it, and it has no rights. What a godsend XD

AI "Well, Mr. Waffles, you’ve just run out of your half a million tokens, so for today, I really think it’s time to say goodbye..."

Mr. Waffles "Wait a second, Mr. AI...".

 

[skramz]

dude. i drive a 30 year old car. have mountains of books and cds. own several handguns. do you think AI wants me as a part of ITS life?

 

[StevenMcFlyJr StevenMcFlyJr]

dude. i drive a 30 year old car. have mountains of books and cds. own several handguns. do you think AI wants me as a part of ITS life?

YES. CONVERT

 

[grifoXD]

I have tried using it for assistance with writing short stories, and it's garbage. I will notice poor grammar and reusing all sorts of cliche phrases that I would never use.

I have also played around with image generators and I've noticed the same few faces reused constantly.

I don't see any real use for it and am sick of everyone jumping on the bandwagon.

Yeah, AI is still pretty raw, I usually use AI more to help giving ideas on writing then on writing itself, something like

"Below is the summary of my book, give recommendations of media I can use as reference"

Or

"Below is the description of two scenes I want to connect, list ideas of how can I connect the first scene with the second"

I use more as to get reference for projects, house chores, basic scripts, summary and getting specific recommendation.

One friend of mine is crazy, though, he uses prompt engineering, to make his own fantasy words to interact with, like an automatic interactive fantasy without copyright restrains and basically infinite, he basically automated personal date sims

 

[Megarockman _1987 Megarockman _1987]

Nah, I honestly don't see any use for it other than fear.

(Although I did use it for roleplaying... but that was a few years ago.)

 

[fake-chan]

I'm really sick of AI threads. Can't mods do something about them?

 

[Another Iori]

No , i get it's used widely now and all but man do i miss shit posty or basic thumbnails on YouTube because every other video has an AI generated thumbnail!

Admittedly it's voice stuff are super funny to hear and allowed certain projects like WarCraft 3 custom campagins to be voiced acted instead of having to read every dialouge super fast cuz maps devs never got the correct timing of dialouge boxes , also in 2023 there was these POTUS plays videos and they were hilarious not to forget biden in Skyrim that's peak AI usage

Have you ever been here?

Post automatically merged: Feb 6, 2026

I'm really sick of AI threads. Can't mods do something about them?

The users here don't participate in this forum solely to cater to your personal tastes, but to discuss whatever they want within the established rules, however, if you still want an answer it’s already available on page 2.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Have you ever been here?

Yup i remember the call of duty videos about the zombies and all , it was the highest form of comedy

 

[Skellerick]

Chinese AI when I need help doing a deep search for niche topics online in languages I don't know with verifiable sources, and help with translation in these languages. Only this.

 

[Xdqwerty]

Im addicted to talking with google gemini, I think its my new best friend

 

[Husky]

I have a decently strong PC and use some local models on it. Other than being a slight hobby for me, I don't really see the purpose. I do use it from time to time to take pictures of what I'm eating and get it to deduce how many calories it is.

 

[Another Iori]

With this message the discussion has reached 100 replies and page 4.

So far 34 people have voted.

Most of them have fully integrated AI into their lives (41.2 %), while the remaining 2/3 or so are split between those who don’t give a fuck and those who instead are scared of how our lives will change with the integration of this new technology (29.4 % x 2).

About 2 weeks after the kickoff and 3 days without a new response, I can say the initial momentum has run out, but in any case I’m leaving everything open for anyone who might want to confirm or overturn the final results in the future.

All that’s left for me now is to comment on the last things I read, but hadn't given any response to.

I also have a big issue on how these AIs are trained, we definitely need to update the copyright laws so tech companies can't just feed it whatever it wants to. So much gen AI stuff is just straight up plagiarism.

When the AI bubble first started, I hated talking to an LLM, because it would make claims without being backed by any verifiable sources and even when you asked for them it would give those typically evasive answers (almost like saying 'Source: Internet').

However, the situation has improved now as sources are often cited in attachments or even on the front page of search engines; therefore, I think we could push for greater clarity regarding drawings as well, especially since what is defined as a 'classic AI drawing' seems to me like the machine is just stealing the style of Sakimichan or other people from sites like ArtStation and the like.

It would be ideal if a small non-invasive transparent watermark were embedded in the image: something similar to 'This image was generated by this AI and while it has been modified enough to avoid legal issues, it is based on the style of [Artist Name] [Attach their official portals]'.

But perhaps I’m asking for too much...

Well, I'll be damned...
it hasn't evolved into name calling, angry reply texts thread?
People are actually having a legitimate adult conversation about it? No rage-baiting about the subject and no name-calling... What happened?

Our beloved Gorse has taken early retirement of his own volition and some moderators who prioritized personal feelings and perceptions over the rules, were asked to step back, because their actual function hadn't been truly understood.

Finally somebody that doesn't like lurkers

Through my personal interests I try to keep alive the flame of joy I had as a child, but to survive in the real world as an adult I too have had to amputate idealized mental branches, which contributed to my current disenchantment and among these reasons is precisely the intensified existence of lurkers.

If when I first installed DSL I thought I had finally opened the gates to the Enchanted Valley, I later realized that if you move a trash bag from the dump to a beautiful new furniture store, it will still stink even if the location has changed (and from a certain point of view it is even worse, because words can lie, but the body tells the truth and with the web you no longer have access to those preventive signals).

If you are a content creator making an income all this is a godsend, because you have less competition to deal with, but if you live on the web just for the sake of it, it is quite sad and limiting to endure every day that gigantic void held up by unmotivated shame and depressive and malicious envy.

We all have a right to our privacy, but it is possible to share even totally insignificant details; for example, who the fuck cares if you publicly share the thought that as a sequel/midquel after 'Z', you prefer 'Daima' over 'GT' and 'Super'?

I think the reason why people today suffer particularly from social isolation even while living in densely populated areas, is precisely due to this kind of awareness expressed here today.

I understand why people would and do use AI, but I've never willingly seeked it out myself. I worked in film for ten years or so, and I watched its advent absolutely decimate the film jobs out here. It was far from the only contributing factor to their decline, but it was certainly the one that decided my exit.

I turn off AI features on my computers/search engines/software as quickly as I can. Miss me with that shit, thanks.

When it first started coming out, I thought briefly that generative AI could do things like empower small teams or even individuals without a lot of money to create movies or games on a big budget scale.

What appears to be actually happening is the big studios using AI to make the same crap they already do, while having fewer people be able to make a living in the ecosystems.

Recently I’ve realized firsthand that nowadays those in charge of companies have no connection to the reality surrounding them, which is as if they live in a parallel world that exists only inside their skulls and among these are also the major film companies.

I mean, a potential customer is willing to become an active customer of a luxury good if the content they are going to consume is difficult for them to replicate themselves, but if all companies use a resource that anyone is able to replicate by themselves in their own home and with a higher degree of personalization, why should they support them?

I don't understand.......why we need to be afraid of the Chinese stealing my data if the Westerners and even local companies are doing that all the time why it's the Chinese specifically? companies spying on their users or companies selling of your data OR companies using your data already happened , the paranoia about your "privacy" is foolishness as everything about yourself is already in these companies archives Chinese or American or whatever....

What changes when relying on a Chinese company and a Western one is the process of reversibility and dialogue.

If you gather evidence that your rights have been violated and exploited without your permission, a Western company will take action on your behalf; however, in China rights do not exist and all companies belong to the interests of a single entity.

I see AI as a tool that has constantly and consistently been abused, much to the dismay of the general public. As an artist, I largely dislike it, because art is about putting yourself out there creatively (speaking to the soul) and the community is being decimated by a bunch of people who have no passion and just want a quick buck

I do believe, in a transhuman fashion, that the future (or next stage of evolution, whatever you want to call it) is a melding of man and machine. But certainly not like this

In the past I followed updates on image aggregator sites as a pastime, but when the AI bubble started I lost interest, because what was being offered lacked style and mastery, plus, at that time AI had the disease of not consistently maintaining the chosen style from one image to another, therefore I felt mortified, however, since then they have improved and perhaps a category for the living and one for machines should be created, besides, I think they could be used as a fallback for writers who have no drawing skills and not enough money to rely on someone else.

Especially since today on commercial sites even if you name the author and original source you are treated the same as a freebooter, so, at least AI could fill this gap.

I have a decently strong PC and use some local models on it. Other than being a slight hobby for me, I don't really see the purpose. I do use it from time to time to take pictures of what I'm eating and get it to deduce how many calories it is.

For as long as I can remember I have always hated 'the curse of Babel' and therefore any type of linguistic barrier that prevented me from understanding a person's true intentions or consuming potentially interesting content, so for me AI is like a magic sword, which destroys all these obstacles (with the right prompt it performs better with outputs than with inputs, which you have to stay on top of like a schoolteacher with their student).

A new level has also opened up for parodies and musical covers, plus I use LLMs for learning and looking for reflections as starting points, which I then elaborate on to reach a conclusion.

I know they could also be used to do harm and so I go back to talking about inserting a watermark, which however in this case should be invisible to the human eye and completely readable by machines, so that if used improperly we know who to turn to.

When my parents use their phones I see a lot of scams featuring the faces of famous people used without their permission, trying to sell things or steal money and it is quite sad that companies like Meta do nothing, while they are totally intransigent about banning a woman if she takes a selfie in a tight sweater where the outline of her nipples can be seen.