Games or Movies that have hostility or contempt for the viewers/players?

Status
Not open for further replies.
And that only feeds into my point. When Konami was still shipping games West, nobody was truly angry at them; they were just buying the games instead of boycotting. People only got mad when they couldn't get games. And your whole point is they can't get games. So this does not disprove anything I said.
Read the last sentence. My disproval is that people aren't going "grrrr, where is my DDR machine" but "yo, these dudes might have a xenophobia issue" now in terms of Konami.
Post automatically merged:

I used to think of it that way, but everything inevitably becomes politicized sooner or later.
You know what, that is true, but that doesn't mean we should accept it.
Post automatically merged:

So, there used to be this fun game called Halo...
I mean, at least we still have Halo 3..
 
There's plenty of propaganda in games. Anything that treats a status quo as normal propagandizes that status quo. Does the game treat the monarch as normal and the opposition as abnormal? That's pro-monarchist whether it meant for that or not. (And please don't claim that's something nobody supports; monarchies are still a thing, and even democratic societies have pro-monarchists and Dark Enlightenment supporters.) Military shooters are not the only source of military propaganda, as superhero movies and their licensed games contain pro-military scenes (courtesy of the Hollywood/military funding agreement). And fantasy/historical war scenes also portray war in a way similar to military propaganda.

"Culture war" only touches everything because people who want it to be a war and not an evolution of the culture complain about it. If people just let their differences be, allowed there to be diversity without anyone screaming in rage about it, and just got on with their lives (or got one), there wouldn't be "war"; there would just be acceptance.
Ah yes let me get back to my pro-monarchist fantasy games while you push for the ""evolution of culture"" that sadly can't get a break from these evil gamers.
 
Better yet why not make the most politically realistic team deathmatch or RTS game I would actually eat that up, but they refuse.
I mean, red alert is open source now, sooo, yeah. Honestly not the worst idea, you just need a lot of humor to pull it off.
 
Most OpenTTD players do not think of it as pro-capitalism but as pro-train if we're going the route of "death of the author".

NFS does actually instruct the player everytime it is booted up to drive safely on actual roads and that all of the illegal street racing you do is fictional, which I see as good enough reason to say, that's not political, that's a PSA.

I was talking about the overarching message of Metal Gear here, not the individual things that it touches upon, so I can understand the confusion here, and while yes, it is a conflicting message issue as well, which does complicate things. But I do believe that Metal Gear is bipartisan, not but least because both sides agree that Metal Gear is pretty rad.

Pretty sure a lot of devs never intended for anything political, "death of the author" typically gets blocked due to one tiny factor, most people do not view everything as political. People ignore those socio-political views because we're trying to play games, not write essays, that's why the status quo is for all intents and purposes, bipartisan in the eyes of the people in terms of video games.
I don't think you get the concept of "death of the author"; at the very least, it does not apply to your OpenTTD argument, as that would be the audience simply taking the game at face value, which is kind of the opposite approach.

The PSA is besides the point; it is outside the content of the work, and thus does not change the content of the work. Disney can tag a "racism bad" warning on Dumbo and that still doesn't remove the racism from the movie. Same as how Sega's "graffiti is illegal" warning doesn't make Jet Set Radio any less pro-graffiti or opposed to law enforcement stopping it.

I was also talking about the overarching message. If it was bipartisan, it would have two sides come to an agreement that the game is correct and publish it together. That isn't what happened; it just sold well. I don't think you understand what that word means. I'm guessing you assume it's the same as non-partisan. Even then, it's not; anti-war messages generally oppose a specific side of an argument. And a lot of the games in that series (the majority, actually) were published during times of war. So the fact that it sold well seems to be simply that a huge part of the audience just didn't care about the message or didn't get it due to the contradictions in its presentation. That's not non-partisan, though; that's just being ignored.

Your last point simply ignores what I said and shows further misunderstanding of what "death of the author" is. If you read my words, you'd notice I never said anything about what the devs intended; that's exactly why I brought up "death of the author". Yes, people ignore the status quo concepts; that's because they are status quo. My point is that there is a message there whether intended or not. You really don't seem to get what I'm saying and are just arguing with what you imagine I said.
 
I just miss the days when you could have a fun game that was just a fun game and the people who made it could channel their views into the world thanks to the success of their fun game. Instead there isn't any games worth buying and thats somehow my fault too. Better yet why not make the most politically realistic team deathmatch or RTS game I would actually eat that up, but they refuse.

I too miss those days. I remember the 90's when female protagonists were seen as a cool thing. Everyone thought Samus being a girl was cool. No one was losing their minds over the game companies pushing feminism or whatever.

Notice the reactions to Ciri as a protagonist in the Witcher 4 and realize that the gamer community has lost their marbles.
 
This game called MLBB
 
Read the last sentence. My disproval is that people aren't going "grrrr, where is my DDR machine" but "yo, these dudes might have a xenophobia issue" now in terms of Konami.
Post automatically merged:


You know what, that is true, but that doesn't mean we should accept it.
So, first of all, I haven't seen people complain about DDR. That's a casual game, and most of the people complaining aren't super into casual stuff. Secondly, the complaints are mainly about the AAAs being canceled and shelved: Metal Gear, Silent Hill, and Castlevania. Thirdly, I've never seen the "xenophobia" argument. Feel free to cite sources for any of this is you think I'm wrong, as the ball is in your court to prove this.

As for the other point, why not? This might be a hefty read for you, but I'd suggest On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense by Nietzsche. (Link at the bottom of that page, though the summary might help you get it more.) Simply put, there has never been nor ever will be a time when we can avoid bias in writing. It is there, it was there, and it will be there. So you have no choice but to accept it. What matters is how you react to it and what you choose to consume.
 
Last edited:
I think there's some in MGS4. Kojima had stated that he wanted Snake's story to finish after the first MGS, but kept feeling pressure to continue the story and specifically Solid Snake (https://www.psu.com/news/hideo-kojima-feeling-the-pressure-to-continue-mgs/, this is all I could find with a quick search of the top of my head but there's definitely way more where he says this sentiment, and specifically pre-MGS4 release; I think I remember him cleanly stating that in an EGM preview of 3 even). I think this constant pressure to keep SS going really influenced MGS4, given that the last time you saw him in 2 he was an apparently perfectly normal and healthy enough clone, then MGS4 opens and it's like "no, he's actually really old now and Meryll hates him and FOXHOUND disbanded and he lives in a tanker now with his only friend Otacon" and sometimes it comes off as a little mean spirited. My little headcannon is that he kept getting roped into continuing Solid Snake's story by fan pressure, and so finally finished it with a really kinda bleak ending of the character out of a little bit of spite. I don't think that MGS4 is 100% this, but has some elements in it maybe.

Yet in the end Old Snake does have a happy ending, kinda like mgs1 he decides to spend his last days living as a man and for himself
 
Nice politics there why not call the mods to close this ::thinking

Nah I'm not like that keep going guys.
 
This sounds like an argument I've heard time and again by people who demand that games be considered high art but also contradict themselves claiming they should never be judged like actual high art is. And they never notice that this is exactly why it is not considered high art and why the industry often avoids trying to turn it into a high art.

No, journalists don't HAVE AN UNBRIDLED HATRED FOR THE VERY LIVES OF GAMERS. No, they aren't CLAIMING THEY ARE COMMITTING GENOCIDE ACROSS THE LAND. No, they aren't ZERO TALENT SUBHUMANS WHO DESERVE TO LIVE OFF LESS THAN $7 A DAY. You aren't making your point sound better by flinging cliché exaggerated and sophomoric personal attacks at people who are actually doing something to push for the advancement of the art.

You give no examples to support your rant, but I'd like to point a few out myself. Metroid: Other M was championed by people with this attitude before launch. When responsible journalists pointed out that the game's story is sexist trash, and that the gameplay is actually harmed by the story itself, blind raging gamers screamed their heads off about "BAD journalists do BAD thing to BEST GAME EVER". And then they actually played it for themselves. None of them are claiming it's from God's own desktop anymore; they aren't even calling it good.

But you said "racist", right? Okay, let's look at Resident Evil 5. Again, reviewers did their jobs and pointed out that the game had a problem involving racist stereotypes. Again, the r/KIA crowd gave the only response they ever give to actual thought. And then the game was released to the general public, and we found out that not only was the opening sequence using a lot of coded racist visual language, but the game had literal spear-chucking, bone-through-the-nose tribal crazy ooga-boogaing Black people as enemies. And again, the Body Snatcher gamers silenced themselves about that game because they wanted us to all forget they were dead wrong.

But they haven't remained silent. They still throw around vague complaints about anyone who writes anything about games. They demand silence from anyone who speaks out of line with one very loud minority of gamers. And in all this attempt to silence free speech, they complain that they are being called fascists for just saying nobody should ever be allowed to express an opinion different from theirs.

"There's so much hostility" because that kind of gamer creates it. They invent a non-existent enemy and attack without considering that maybe the writer has a point, and that maybe the soulless corporation that fails over and over to hire good writers and demands that gamers just pay $60+ for mediocrity is the one actually doing something wrong. And as they blow their money on trash they themselves don't like again and again, they never stop to think that maybe they should have considered the fact that sometimes the thing you want to be good simply is not.

Seriously, this crowd would have never said "f*** Konami" if Konami didn't stop making games, but instead just gave them shovelware. Fire Igarashi? Fine, just give us more garbage CV. Fire Kojima? Fine, who cares if MGS has a story? Fire del Toro? Who needs an actual high art writer working on a game? But stop making games? Then and only then do they see the soulless corporation as anything less than a god.

Really, this kind of argument just poisons the entire gaming community and drives it to self destruction. You want gaming to be considered an art? Then let it stand up for itself. The game makers are grown adults who can handle rational criticism. Any rational person can tell that their businesses are not going to be COMPLETE DESTROYED by a mere article that only a portion of the customer base reads. If anything will destroy gaming, it is the irrational rage from the KIA crowd that is poisoning every website that allows discussion of them. And in the long run, they'll destroy those websites, too.

Side note: this post comes with a free t-shirt:
images
I'm so glad game journos are nearly extinct ::biggrin
Post automatically merged:

Etrian Odyssey. Still trying to beat it tho.
Elaborate Im curious
 
I too miss those days. I remember the 90's when female protagonists were seen as a cool thing. Everyone thought Samus being a girl was cool. No one was losing their minds over the game companies pushing feminism or whatever.
But do people *actually* lose their minds over this stuff though? Or is it just media outlets claiming people are freaking out? Don't get me wrong, I get that people read rage-bait articles and then get up in arms about DEI and start regurgitating the talking points, but irl most gamers are still just interested in whether a character feels fun to play as, has good dialogue or whatever. Same as it's always been.

It's like when that Joker film came out, there was tonnes of articles being like "Oh shit incels are getting triggered and it's gonna cause chaos" and 100% that was just a marketing ploy cos rage sells.

I also get that with how long it takes games to get financed/made we see swathes of games release with similar "controversial" elements, long after "people" (the media) have beat the dead horse into oblivion, like games with trans representation, gender fluid characters etc. None of these ideas are new, they're just getting wider polarising coverage that makes a few folks mo' money.
 
Last edited:
I too miss those days. I remember the 90's when female protagonists were seen as a cool thing. Everyone thought Samus being a girl was cool. No one was losing their minds over the game companies pushing feminism or whatever.

Notice the reactions to Ciri as a protagonist in the Witcher 4 and realize that the gamer community has lost their marbles.
It's near impossible to explain why this happened without getting political, but this was not some random change. The gaming community was purposely poisoned by people who don't give a single damn about gaming. World of Warcraft gold farmers recruited people to fascist movements and build extremist media through both the money and the following. Other extremists that were quasi-aligned with said gold farmers used in-game chat to push others to rage against invented enemies. Still others used Digg, reddit, Twitter, [number-honorific], and other social media to push the "gamergate" movement. All of these together created a hostile vocal minority of gamers who are still creating problems for everyone else. And their movement has evolved to prop up the current neo-fascist movement that has been an issue in various countries.

Unfortunately, the internet is in a bad place, as most communication is run by soulless corporations that don't care if they destroy everything in their path to not only make a profit, but make the largest profit possible at the expense of destroying literally everything. And malicious actors around the world are taking advantage of that.

My one big hope at the moment is that these "gamers" won't be able to afford a Switch 2 when it gets released (or anything game related, really) so they can feel like they made a mistake.
 
But do people *actually* lose their minds over this stuff though? Or is it just media outlets claiming people are freaking out? Don't get me wrong, I get that people read rage-bait articles and then get up in arms about DEI and start regurgitating the talking points, but irl most gamers are still just interested on whether a character feels fun to play as, has good dialogue or whatever. Same as it's always been.

It's like when that Joker film came out, there was tonnes of articles being like "Oh shit incels are getting triggered and it's gonna cause chaos" and 100% that was just a marketing ploy cos rage sells.

I also get that with how long it takes games to get financed/made we see swathes of games release with similar "controversial" elements, long after "people" (the media) have beat the dead horse into oblivion, like games with trans representation, gender fluid characters etc. None of these ideas are new, they're just getting wider polarising coverage that makes a few folks mo' money.

Oh, these channels do exist and have hundreds of thousands of subscribers. There's a real following for this type of content, even if it is a small fraction of the gaming audience as a whole. I used to watch these channels until I realized that they were used to push a political ideology I don't agree with.
 
Also, idk man even if we just dumb down the series to that ethos alone, the idea of "war bad" is only bipartisan in that people will pretend to hate the concept of enacting violence on others until it suits their specific interests, in which case they'll jump through hoops to actually justify it, even going as far to accept blatantly false propaganda if it suits their bloodlust. The series comments on this aspect of violence as well as the violence of capitalism itself.
It portrays both communists and capitalists countries as back stabbers that could bring the world to the destruction, and it portrays political correctness as something that slows down social progress
its not specifically anti-capitalist
 
Oh, these channels do exist and have hundreds of thousands of subscribers. There's a real following for this type of content, even if it is a small fraction of the gaming audience as a whole. I used to watch these channels until I realized that they were used to push a political ideology I don't agree with.
I did too, but like you I also stopped when the critique got stale and I begin to realise "Huh, if these channels don't have a product to get fake mad about, their channel's dead quick-time". It's like a two-headed snake I guess.
 
Do you not feel like it may be reaching a bit to correlate your first point to the level of enjoyment one may get out of playing a beyblade video game or why whether indy or otherwise we aren't getting as many spinning top battle video games anymore and an over abundance of similar products?
I don't even understand what you're getting at. Did you accidentally respond to the wrong person?
 
Metal Gear would be considered a liberal game in this current political climate as it has a pacifist message against nuclear proliferation. What was considered bi-partisan back in the day could now be considered "woke".
I dont think so, zoomers of all kinds of worldviews like it
 
I did too, but like you I also stopped when the critique got stale and I begin to realise "Huh, if these channels don't have a product to get fake mad about, their channel's dead quick-time". It's like a two-headed snake I guess.

Yeah I used to be a fan of channels like Nerdrotic and CriticalDrinker as I agreed with their Star Wars critiques and they had decent opinions on Game of Thrones/House of Dragons. Right until they showed up with some red hats one time and started advocating for fascists. Odd how the people who hate for politics being shoved into video games have no problem with using their gaming/movie channels to push their ideology. Thanks to them, my sister might be out of a job soon. So fuck them all. Especially that British prick Drinker. He has no right to opine on American politics.
 
Yeah I used to be a fan of channels like Nerdrotic and CriticalDrinker as I agreed with their Star Wars critiques and they had decent opinions on Game of Thrones/House of Dragons. Right until they showed up with some red hats one time and started advocating for fascists. Odd how the people who hate for politics being shoved into video games have no problem with using their gaming channels to push their ideology. Thanks to them, my sister might be out of a job soon. So fuck them all. Especially that British prick Drinker. He has no right to opine on American politics.

I dont watch them (except when critical drinker debated a guy from disney on the news), but if it's their channel they're allowed to have personal opinions

No I was genuinely intrigued about what you said about the gold farmers poisoning the industry and I thought to myself about why so many products now feel very similar and not fun (subjective I know) and if those same gold farmer recruitment and poisonings are truly related to games that were fun a few moons ago. Beyblade anime spinning top battles has no propaganda unless you want to argue of like a spiritual animal battling and the meritocracy of a tournament. Crash Bandicoot 3 and Banjo games had no propaganda I can see. Is it all related? I want to believe.

I promise not baiting I have never heard this tale please avoid generalizing as much as possible and I already know that microsoft owning a studio is bad news.

No bro when people have this paranoia that gamers are evil nazis it kills me
Reminds me of the extra credits video
 
I dont watch them (except when critical drinker debated a guy from disney on the news), but if it's their channel they're allowed to have personal opinions

That's pretty weird of them to get upset at Disney and some AAA gaming companies for pushing their ideologies when you are using your own supposedly gaming/movie channels (completely unrelated to politics) to push extreme ideologies.
 
Last edited:
Yeah I used to be a fan of channels like Nerdrotic and CriticalDrinker
Oh man, I used to really like Critical Drinker, especially cos there's so few big British Youtubers (it's definitely an American dominated platform), but his videos got SO god. damn. repetitive, churning out the same talking points about "the message" again and again. Who's even watching half the crap he's spotlighting anyway? Seeks out things to hate on. I found Jim/Stephanie Sterling to be the same after a while, yeah it's fun to dunk on some Triple AAA games, but come on, how many hours has he gotta try and eek out of the same bloody talking points.
 
Last edited:
That's pretty weird of them to get upset at Disney and some AAA gaming companies for pushing their ideologies when you are using your own supposedly gaming/movie channels (completely unrelated to politics) to push extreme ideologies. But I guess when you wear the red hat, you get accustomed to massive hypocrisy.

There's a difference between an entertainment product and your personal youtube channel, also calling republics massive hipocrites is crossing a line..
We reapect people with different opinions here
 
There's a difference between an entertainment product and your personal youtube channel, also calling republics massive hipocrites is crossing a line..
We reapect people with different opinions here

I didn't mention republicans. you did.
 
Oh man, I used to really like Critical Drinker, especially cos there's so few big British Youtubers (it's definitely an American dominated platform), but his videos got SO god. damn. repetitive, churning out the same talking points abiut "the message" again and again. Who's even watching half the crap he's spotlighting anyway? Seeks out things to hate on. I found Jim/Stephanie Sterling to be the same after a while, yeah it's fun to dunk on some Triple AAA games, but come on, how many hours has he gotta try and eek out of the same bloody talking points.

Oh bro JIM I used to watch, my god the vids got so damn repetitive
Theres like 8 jimquisitions on difficulty options, Im not being hyperbolic
Also jim felt more and more miserable as time went by
No wonder the channel went from almost a milion subs to like 740k
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Connect with us

Support this Site

RGT relies on you to stay afloat. Help covering the site costs and get some pretty Level 7 perks too.

Featured Video

Latest Threads

Sega Offline Games List

Hi folks, was wondering if someone could help me find something. Years ago, on my older college...
Read more

Cool Dreamcast Hardware

The Dreamcast has a ton of great hardware variants. It’s like they saw what...
Read more

New Sales and Deals from Nintendo Store

Fullbleed-Sales-Desktop.jpeg

Nintendo launches huge blockbuster sale. There is a huge sale now running in the...
Read more

Is a Boku No Natsuyasumi PSP/PS1 English port being worked on?

So there is a Spanish patch of this once only Japanese PSP/PS1 game...
Read more

Online statistics

Members online
133
Guests online
191
Total visitors
324

Forum statistics

Threads
12,631
Messages
308,084
Members
867,582
Latest member
Myst19

Advertisers

Back
Top