Final Fantasy Thread

[MasterEn]

I forever love Kuja because I have a weak spot for overdramatic, kind of unhinged villains, but Beatrix is just such a compelling character, I can't imagine anyone not loving her. They give so much care to her struggle. She always deserves more fan art!! =D

yeah. i've seen her getting more fan art in recent times. i'd link my drawing of her but i out that in a set with 3 other ff babes, and one of those is a bit spicier than the others.
kuja is a great villain. he follows the "gruntilda theory" as jontron called it. after getting a sneak peak of him in a scene and his official debut in the game, he interacts with the party throughout the game, making a lasting impact upon the story and the player. and the fact that he actually blows up a planet is a perfect demonstration of his power levels; making him one of the strongest in the series.

 

[reakain]

yeah. i've seen her getting more fan art in recent times. i'd link my drawing of her but i out that in a set with 3 other ff babes, and one of those is a bit spicier than the others.
kuja is a great villain. he follows the "gruntilda theory" as jontron called it. after getting a sneak peak of him in a scene and his official debut in the game, he interacts with the party throughout the game, making a lasting impact upon the story and the player. and the fact that he actually blows up a planet is a perfect demonstration of his power levels; making him one of the strongest in the series.

I'm not familiar with the jontron theory, but yeah, they do a good job of showcasing him throughout, with escalating stakes and a lot of eerie drama in how he presents himself and his plans. Plus his theme music is great and feels just a bit discordant to put us on edge.

(Also I stuck my head into your devianart out to take a peek out of curiosity. Nice job in the drawings!!)

 

[MasterEn]

I'm not familiar with the jontron theory, but yeah, they do a good job of showcasing him throughout, with escalating stakes and a lot of eerie drama in how he presents himself and his plans. Plus his theme music is great and feels just a bit discordant to put us on edge.

(Also I stuck my head into your devianart out to take a peek out of curiosity. Nice job in the drawings!!)

thanks for the compliment. those are some of my favorite recent drawings that i made. i've been getting better at increasing my speed and attention to detail. i also like the extra layer of shadows that i added in. makes the drawings look quite nice. i got another couple of drawings in that set in the works; with rydia and barbariccia this time hanging out on the beach.
i'll look for the video jontron made and i'll link it here for you and others to check it out. i saw some comments on a video of his theme music saying that someone was a fan of "we will rock you".
very appropriate, since kuja will "rock you like a hurricane".

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here's the video.

jump to 12:07 to hear him refer to it as the gruntilda theory.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Ok, I didn't consider FF9's old man Garland as being Garland until you mentioned it, and now I am laughing so hard at angry old man Garland hahahaha

Eiko even says what a terrible name garland is square brought back the original Final Fantasy villain as an all knowing old dude it's intentional 100% , i still can't shake the feeling that kuja was also partially inspired by the emperor from Final Fantasy 2 both being powerful magicians and all with both also hoarding a demonic army of sorts , freya also has a pretty similar story to Ricard/Gareth the original Final Fantasy dragoon from FF2 both are away when their kingdom gets destroyed the only difference is freya is actually fleshed out a lot more.

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this scene is very appropriate for this conversation.

OK i only noticed NOW that kuja and FF4 villain are brothers of the protagonist and redeem themselves in the end whaaaaaat only thing we needed is something happening on the moon for it to be complete

 

[MasterEn]

OK i only noticed NOW that kuja and FF4 villain are brothers of the protagonist and redeem themselves in the end whaaaaaat only thing we needed is something happening on the moon for it to be complete

there's a couple of lines of dialog during a conversation with either mikoto or garland that basically says this without being too direct about it. it can be easy to miss.
and i would say that the world of terra is quite similar to the moon from ff4. it's a strange desolate place, weird and unnerving with the music and landscape being barren with little life and no plants. terra goes a step further with all of the monsters being undead.

 

[reakain]

there's a couple of lines of dialog during a conversation with either mikoto or garland that basically says this without being too direct about it. it can be easy to miss.
and i would say that the world of terra is quite similar to the moon from ff4. it's a strange desolate place, weird and unnerving with the music and landscape being barren with little life and no plants. terra goes a step further with all of the monsters being undead.

I was also thinking Terra felt like a reasonable stand in for the moon. It feels very 'other' and it's smaller than Gaia. Having it also be a 'dead' planet also makes it feel similar to the moon from 4.

Eiko even says what a terrible name garland is square brought back the original Final Fantasy villain as an all knowing old dude it's intentional 100% , i still can't shake the feeling that kuja was also partially inspired by the emperor from Final Fantasy 2 both being powerful magicians and all with both also hoarding a demonic army of sorts , freya also has a pretty similar story to Ricard/Gareth the original Final Fantasy dragoon from FF2 both are away when their kingdom gets destroyed the only difference is freya is actually fleshed out a lot more.

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OK i only noticed NOW that kuja and FF4 villain are brothers of the protagonist and redeem themselves in the end whaaaaaat only thing we needed is something happening on the moon for it to be complete

I love Freya ;0; I never actually ended up going back and playing FF2. I know about it, but I should probably go back and play it properly. (I also think the leveling system seems neat, even if folks weren't necessarily fond of it)

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

there's a couple of lines of dialog during a conversation with either mikoto or garland that basically says this without being too direct about it. it can be easy to miss.
and i would say that the world of terra is quite similar to the moon from ff4. it's a strange desolate place, weird and unnerving with the music and landscape being barren with little life and no plants. terra goes a step further with all of the monsters being undead.

It was with garland he says kuja is your older brother who threw you away.


Yeah terra and the moon from FF4 seem similar when you put it that way both are also inhabited by people who are long gone!

I love Freya ;0; I never actually ended up going back and playing FF2. I know about it, but I should probably go back and play it properly. (I also think the leveling system seems neat, even if folks weren't necessarily fond of it)

Yeah freya is dope she is the ultimate dragoon :D i like her wait animation a lot and her run animation is soooo funny for a dragon knight like her.


FF2 was simply done dirty it was a huge step forward in many ways for the series sadly it's story ends up feeling a little underwhelming if i have to describe FF2 it would be having all the right cards but playing them the wrong way , i actually like the level system especially the detail of using more magic makes you more intelligent and using melee weapons makes you dumber it's such a neat detail! You can either be a dumb Firion or a bright Firion it depends on how you play it

If square puts FF2 on the drawing board and they hand it to a team who know what they want and what the fans want with enough funding the game can be remade into the next greatest entry in the series but you need someone to understand that.....

 

[MasterEn]

It was with garland he says kuja is your older brother who threw you away.

i was 90% certain that it was garland who said that, but it also seemed like something mikoto would say; and it's been sometime since my last playthrough, so i couldn't really remember.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

i was 90% certain that it was garland who said that, but it also seemed like something mikoto would say; and it's been sometime since my last playthrough, so i couldn't really remember.

Mikoto that monke girl right

 

[MasterEn]

Mikoto that monke girl right

yea.

 

[MasterEn]

just came across this:

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

just came across this:

Kain , case solved.

 

[MasterEn]

Kain , case solved.

not according to that video. cid is the best according to that youtuber. he also said that the black mage from ff tactics id also the best black mage in the series. he also beat ff9 with just freya, quina, and garnet in solo runs of the game. he does a lot of ff content related stuff.

 

[Mopeybloke]

I think that, in a regular playthrough, Freya is a disappointing party member.

First of all, she is female, and FFIX is a political game, so she has the lowest strength of all dedicated physical attackers in the game. She often falls behind on damage from Zidane, Steiner and Amarant. So why would we use her?

Jump actually sucks in this game. Unlike what Tantacles said, the fact it voids elemental and support effects from attacks is pretty bad. In FFIX, fighters should be equipped with killer abilities, and depending on occasion, MP Attack and take advantage of elemental alignment to boost damage from their physical hits. If Freya jumps, she voids all those effects for a sweet 1.5 damage increase that costs 2 turns to discharge, all the while eliminating a heavily armoured character and making the mages more prone to damage. 2 turns, 1.5 attack. It isn't even the default 2x damage from other games, which tends to be useless itself.

That could be worth it if like in some other games, Jump attacks avoided countering, but they don't in this one.

If you're going to use her end game, you should ignore jump and give her Holy Lance and Angel Earrings, and equip Devil Killer and possibly MP Attack for that sweet 9999 damage against everything in the final dungeon.

Because it's relatively easy to reach max damage with her at the end, and MP isn't a real limitation in this game, I don't consider Dragon's Crest useful outside of challenge runs. Grand Dragons make great levelling partners though.

 

[Tonberry]

I think that, in a regular playthrough, Freya is a disappointing party member.

First of all, she is female, and FFIX is a political game, so she has the lowest strength of all dedicated physical attackers in the game. She often falls behind on damage from Zidane, Steiner and Amarant. So why would we use her?

Jump actually sucks in this game. Unlike what Tantacles said, the fact it voids elemental and support effects from attacks is pretty bad. In FFIX, fighters should be equipped with killer abilities, and depending on occasion, MP Attack and take advantage of elemental alignment to boost damage from their physical hits. If Freya jumps, she voids all those effects for a sweet 1.5 damage increase that costs 2 turns to discharge, all the while eliminating a heavily armoured character and making the mages more prone to damage. 2 turns, 1.5 attack. It isn't even the default 2x damage from other games, which tends to be useless itself.

That could be worth it if like in some other games, Jump attacks avoided countering, but they don't in this one.

If you're going to use her end game, you should ignore jump and give her Holy Lance and Goddess Ring, and equip Devil Killer and possibly MP Attack for that sweet 9999 damage against everything in the final dungeon.

Because it's relatively easy to reach max damage with her at the end, and MP isn't a real limitation in this game, I don't consider Dragon's Crest useful outside of challenge runs. Grand Dragons make great levelling partners though.

But you forget the most important part

She is a cool mouse lady and Amarant is an ugly blue troll man

 

[Mopeybloke]

Amarant is a cool troll man.

 

[Tonberry]

Amarant is a cool troll man.

 

[Mopeybloke]

He doesn't look at explosions. It's science!

 

[Tonberry]

He doesn't look at explosions. It's science!

But that's just because his hair covers his eyes!

 

[MasterEn]

I think that, in a regular playthrough, Freya is a disappointing party member.

First of all, she is female, and FFIX is a political game, so she has the lowest strength of all dedicated physical attackers in the game. She often falls behind on damage from Zidane, Steiner and Amarant. So why would we use her?

Jump actually sucks in this game. Unlike what Tantacles said, the fact it voids elemental and support effects from attacks is pretty bad. In FFIX, fighters should be equipped with killer abilities, and depending on occasion, MP Attack and take advantage of elemental alignment to boost damage from their physical hits. If Freya jumps, she voids all those effects for a sweet 1.5 damage increase that costs 2 turns to discharge, all the while eliminating a heavily armoured character and making the mages more prone to damage. 2 turns, 1.5 attack. It isn't even the default 2x damage from other games, which tends to be useless itself.

That could be worth it if like in some other games, Jump attacks avoided countering, but they don't in this one.

If you're going to use her end game, you should ignore jump and give her Holy Lance and Angel Earrings, and equip Devil Killer and possibly MP Attack for that sweet 9999 damage against everything in the final dungeon.

Because it's relatively easy to reach max damage with her at the end, and MP isn't a real limitation in this game, I don't consider Dragon's Crest useful outside of challenge runs. Grand Dragons make great levelling partners though.

every character can reach max damage in the game. and most characters are disappointing in a regular run of any game. my final party the last time that i played through ff9 was zidane, garnet, vivi and eiko.
not a very balanced party.
the voiding elemental attacks means that if the enemy resists or absorbs that element, the enemy still takes damage. and eventually, if you kill 100 dragons with her, you wouldn't need to use jump at all with her. zidane has a similar attack which can also guarantee max damage and can be started on at the start of the game.
it's ultimately up to the player on who they want to use. and videos like this can help provide info to people who want to do a challenge run themselves. they will know what they are getting into.
also, what's with this sentence: "First of all, she is female, and FFIX is a political game, so she has the lowest strength of all dedicated physical attackers in the game. She often falls behind on damage from Zidane, Steiner and Amarant. So why would we use her?"
the first two bits don't have any relevancy. your point would have been better made with just her having lower strength than everyone else.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

not according to that video. cid is the best according to that youtuber. he also said that the black mage from ff tactics id also the best black mage in the series. he also beat ff9 with just freya, quina, and garnet in solo runs of the game. he does a lot of ff content related stuff.

No i meant the BEST dragoon not only gameplay wise but everything else!

In this case it would be Gareth/Ricard from FF2 since you can max out characters stats in that game thanks to the stats level up mechanic the only drawback is

Spoiler: Final Fantasy 2 spoiler

He dies by the end of the game

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I think that, in a regular playthrough, Freya is a disappointing party member.

First of all, she is female, and FFIX is a political game, so she has the lowest strength of all dedicated physical attackers in the game. She often falls behind on damage from Zidane, Steiner and Amarant. So why would we use her?

Jump actually sucks in this game. Unlike what Tantacles said, the fact it voids elemental and support effects from attacks is pretty bad. In FFIX, fighters should be equipped with killer abilities, and depending on occasion, MP Attack and take advantage of elemental alignment to boost damage from their physical hits. If Freya jumps, she voids all those effects for a sweet 1.5 damage increase that costs 2 turns to discharge, all the while eliminating a heavily armoured character and making the mages more prone to damage. 2 turns, 1.5 attack. It isn't even the default 2x damage from other games, which tends to be useless itself.

That could be worth it if like in some other games, Jump attacks avoided countering, but they don't in this one.

If you're going to use her end game, you should ignore jump and give her Holy Lance and Angel Earrings, and equip Devil Killer and possibly MP Attack for that sweet 9999 damage against everything in the final dungeon.

Because it's relatively easy to reach max damage with her at the end, and MP isn't a real limitation in this game, I don't consider Dragon's Crest useful outside of challenge runs. Grand Dragons make great levelling partners though.

I don't think about it that way dragoon characters tend to have lower strength than warrior characters like kain having lower damage and health than Cecil if i recall.

Dragoons are designed to fight using jump so being a little worse fighter is ok , my only problem with Freya and the whole game is you get to finally swap characters in disc 3 and they retain the level they had when they were in the party for Freya that's quite problematic because now you end up with level 18 character in disc 3 and that's what happened with me.

And the ability mechanic sorts of solves this problem with level up on and slayer perks equipped slayer perks being things like dragon killer etc she gets a lot better also she got dragon techniques i forgot it's actual name that one increases her usefulness too especially the AOE healing.

Now about amarant he may not be the most compelling character in the game but gameplay wise he is the MVP in boss fights his ability to instill auto resurrection got me through the ending boss.

 

[MasterEn]

No i meant the BEST dragoon not only gameplay wise but everything else!

In this case it would be Gareth/Ricard from FF2 since you can max out characters stats in that game thanks to the stats level up mechanic

by that logic, in addition to anyone being able to use any weapon type, any playable character in the game can be a dragoon. so i declare maria as the best dragoon in the series.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

by that logic, in addition to anyone being able to use any weapon type, any playable character in the game can be a dragoon. so i declare maria as the best dragoon in the series.

Nah Maria isn't wearing armor so she can't be dragoon i declare it fully haram to not be armored from head to toe as a dragoon

 

[MasterEn]

Nah Maria isn't wearing armor so she can't be dragoon i declare it fully haram to not be armored from head to toe as a dragoon

i'm pretty sure that you can deck her out in some heavy armor that resembles a dragoon. there is heavy armor in the game. my point still stands.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

i'm pretty sure that you can deck her out in some heavy armor that resembles a dragoon. there is heavy armor in the game. my point still stands.

Well the game doesn't have different look for characters when equipped with different armor like Diablo 2 now that this was brought up it's actually a cool idea imagine everytime you changed the armor of a character the character clothes change that would be awesome