Final Fantasy Thread

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On FF3(I only played the 3d remake btw for clarification's sake), I thinks that its the worst of the mainline ff games that I have played (1-5, 13 trilogy, and 15, and I'm also gonna say that I've played the first Bravely Default as well because its relevant to this discussion)

of the Job based games, FF1 is more unique in that you are locked into your jobs for the entire playthrough and both ff5 and bravely default do a job change system better by making every job more or less unique in some way. Out of the 22 jobs in the game (23 in the remake because it adds freelancer), 8 are just upgraded versions of previous jobs making them redundant, and 2 of those eight make all other jobs redundant, and then the red mage job is rendered useless by sage as well. Finally there is scholar, which only exists because of a gimmick for one boss in the entire game. so that's 7 out of the 22 jobs that are completely useless by the end of the game, oh and sage and ninja still outclass most of the other ones except for maybe black belt.

The gameplay is very gimmicky, in this dungeon you have to shrink down which makes physically classes useless, in this dungeon you have to turn into frogs which makes it just plain awful, in this dungeon you have to fight the boss 3 times, for this boss battle you have to use scholar, for this boss battle you have to use dragoon, etc. It leaves no room for experimentation, which is in my opinion half the point of the job based final fantasy games, for example in bravely default i tried a strategy where i used the move that attacks with your defense and double equipped shields and turned my characters into ICBMs, and in FF5, I beat the final boss with a party of all red mages plus the fact that the mimic class exists in that game as well, and even in FF2 i made guy a white mage/monk hybrid and Ricard into a pseudo Dark Knight. FF3 would never let you do anything like that, you have to use what the game s wants you to, when the game wants you to, it misses the point of a job/class system: to experiment.

And lastly the story is nothing special, it just feels like a different draft of FF1's story, though I do have one good thing to say here, when you leave the floating continent for the first time and see how big the world is compared to it and that it just looks like one town on the world map, and that up to this point you were just a big fish in a small pond, is probably one of my favorite story moments in the franchise from what I have played. But, that belies the problem as well, its the only memorable moment from that game, all the other ff games have multiple memorable story scenes or moments that stick with you, where i can barely remember the general outline of ff3's story and will probably completely forget it in a couple years

Overall I would go as far to say FF3, regardless of the version you are playing, is just a worse version of FF1. I genuinely think that it could be skipped by someone wanting to playthrough all the mainline ff games and they would lose nothing overall despite the one moment where you leave the floating continent for the first time
Story? What's that? Never heard of it probably an SNES thing , yeah FF3 is just bad quite meh i have high hopes for the 3d version however
Well thats not the reaction i hoped to get plans were ruined i guess
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what do you think about Bravely Default? i really like the job sistem on that game, i havent beaten final fantasy V but for what i played it's the same but with a dedicated space for pasives
I haven't actually tried it yet. I've heard a bunch of good things about it, just haven't gotten around to trying it out myself.
 
Guys how would a navy seal copypasta look a sound like if it was final fantasy themed?
 
is that what your post was that you made the other day?
No that was just me going "how to describe final fantasy in the most horrid way possible" and it was what i came up with what do you think of it? Was it any good did i do each game justice or nah?
 
No that was just me going "how to describe final fantasy in the most horrid way possible" and it was what i came up with what do you think of it? Was it any good did i do each game justice or nah?
you did a pretty good job. i was certain that all of your frustration from 3 finally boiled up and exploded out and that post was the result of that. hopefully you are recovering well from the nightmare dungeon that is ff3's final dungeon.
 
you did a pretty good job. i was certain that all of your frustration from 3 finally boiled up and exploded out and that post was the result of that. hopefully you are recovering well from the nightmare dungeon that is ff3's final dungeon.
I actually went head first and got clapped 3 times by cloud of darkness i was wondering why i keep missing my attacks luckily the emulator save is here to save the day so i went off to the 4 other rooms died couple times to the fire guardian and got clapped once by xande clone (very fun of you square to give some random creature meteor) so what i did was speed up the game and grind by spamming attack 10 minutes and i was few levels up i know its not the most legitimate way but man if square gonna fuck over like this by presenting me a very long dungeon and a boss like that i could give a less of a damn even then after all that slog hardly won.

Floating content was way more fun than anything else.

Glad you enjoyed my attempt at describing FF games in a bad way
 
I actually went head first and got clapped 3 times by cloud of darkness i was wondering why i keep missing my attacks luckily the emulator save is here to save the day so i went off to the 4 other rooms died couple times to the fire guardian and got clapped once by xande clone (very fun of you square to give some random creature meteor) so what i did was speed up the game and grind by spamming attack 10 minutes and i was few levels up i know its not the most legitimate way but man if square gonna fuck over like this by presenting me a very long dungeon and a boss like that i could give a less of a damn even then after all that slog hardly won.

Floating content was way more fun than anything else.

Glad you enjoyed my attempt at describing FF games in a bad way
yeah, i'm lvl 60 in the ds version but i wasn't aware of the hp stat being tied to stamina so going that many levels up and then getting to the final battle, i could get hit once with the particle beam attack. second hit was a instant game over. and with the ultimate gear being locked behind multiplayer in that version, and the onion knight job and the hidden dungeon behind that; i would have to grind forever in the crystal tower. i plan on playing the psp version the next time that i attempt to play 3.
 
yeah, i'm lvl 60 in the ds version but i wasn't aware of the hp stat being tied to stamina so going that many levels up and then getting to the final battle, i could get hit once with the particle beam attack. second hit was a instant game over. and with the ultimate gear being locked behind multiplayer in that version, and the onion knight job and the hidden dungeon behind that; i would have to grind forever in the crystal tower. i plan on playing the psp version the next time that i attempt to play 3.
Oh so characters gain stats based on job right? Yeah you need a monk/black belt it's quite lame as starseeker said like why i have base and upgraded version of the monk as seperate things? I actually forgot what level the team was on when i beaten the game probably something 50? 55? Its silly move from square to lock equipment behind MP.

PSP version might be the one i try next.
 
I haven't actually tried it yet. I've heard a bunch of good things about it, just haven't gotten around to trying it out myself.
it's really good, i definetlly recomend it, i would also recomend to play around the encounter rate option to make the game much easier when you have to grind, and run around dungeons more calmlly, i'm really hyped for the remake, you can make crazy combinations with the jobs in that game, it's been a wile since i plaind the first one but i rememver beeing able to use a summon as a counter with mixing the off brand black mage that you get in the begining of the game and summoner, if you only care about game play i recomend bravely second more, it's way more polished and the jobs feel better, freelancer has a really situacional skill called halfsies, it turns a singel target item into aoe but with 50% power, i could honestlly keep talking about it i lot, it just feels really good.
tldr; game peak, play Bravely Second if you only care about game play
 
give me like, an hour to do something real quick
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Oh so characters gain stats based on job right? Yeah you need a monk/black belt it's quite lame as starseeker said like why i have base and upgraded version of the monk as seperate things? I actually forgot what level the team was on when i beaten the game probably something 50? 55? Its silly move from square to lock equipment behind MP.

PSP version might be the one i try next.
it's only hp apparently. all other stats are determined by the job. black belt is the job with the highest stamina stat. this stat is almost the same across all jobs except the onion knight which doesn't get above 15 points until lv 93. around level 34 the black belt starts getting lost of points in stamina which helps boost the overall amount of hp that you get and the bonus random amount of hp that you can randomly get upon each level up as well.
 
it's only hp apparently. all other stats are determined by the job. black belt is the job with the highest stamina stat. this stat is almost the same across all jobs except the onion knight which doesn't get above 15 points until lv 93. around level 34 the black belt starts getting lost of points in stamina which helps boost the overall amount of hp that you get and the bonus random amount of hp that you can randomly get upon each level up as well.
So that's what the onion knight speciality is? Get tremendous amount of stats at level 90.... Man its so difficult to get there without high XP monsters.

So the HP gain is random? BRUH at least have it not be below a certain amount
 
it's really good, i definetlly recomend it, i would also recomend to play around the encounter rate option to make the game much easier when you have to grind, and run around dungeons more calmlly, i'm really hyped for the remake, you can make crazy combinations with the jobs in that game, it's been a wile since i plaind the first one but i rememver beeing able to use a summon as a counter with mixing the off brand black mage that you get in the begining of the game and summoner, if you only care about game play i recomend bravely second more, it's way more polished and the jobs feel better, freelancer has a really situacional skill called halfsies, it turns a singel target item into aoe but with 50% power, i could honestlly keep talking about it i lot, it just feels really good.
tldr; game peak, play Bravely Second if you only care about game play
Interesting. Without getting too off-topic can you play the second without knowing the story to the first? Even if the gameplay's better I'd probably rather see the story from the beginning.
 
So that's what the onion knight speciality is? Get tremendous amount of stats at level 90.... Man its so difficult to get there without high XP monsters.

So the HP gain is random? BRUH at least have it not be below a certain amount
basically, they can wield nearly all gear except class specific ones, all white and black magic from the moment that the job is unlocked and no summon magic. stats are very, very, very low. my player's guide shows stats from the most likely level that you would be at when you get the job and their stats are 7 points from lv 16 to 92 and they get one point of growth every 8-10 levels. then they jump quickly to 99 points in every main stat at lv 99.
4 points max for lv 8 spells and 49 points for lv 1 magic.
also, all of their gear is farmable from the dragon enemies that appear in the final dungeon and hidden dungeon. and they have their own ultimate weapon too. the onion blade. its' got an attack stat of 90.
 
The real final fantasy 5 experience i never thought a maid dress Xdeath would be real but here we are.

basically, they can wield nearly all gear except class specific ones, all white and black magic from the moment that the job is unlocked and no summon magic. stats are very, very, very low. my player's guide shows stats from the most likely level that you would be at when you get the job and their stats are 7 points from lv 16 to 92 and they get one point of growth every 8-10 levels. then they jump quickly to 99 points in every main stat at lv 99.
4 points max for lv 8 spells and 49 points for lv 1 magic.
also, all of their gear is farmable from the dragon enemies that appear in the final dungeon and hidden dungeon. and they have their own ultimate weapon too. the onion blade. its' got an attack stat of 90.
So switch to onion knights 1 level before the level they unlock all that? Understood.
 
The real final fantasy 5 experience i never thought a maid dress Xdeath would be real but here we are.


So switch to onion knights 1 level before the level they unlock all that? Understood.
you have to complete a quest before you get the job. it's the only one that is unlocked by that method. you need to read some letters through the mognet and be a little bit far in the story for the psp version. ds requires 7 letters exchanged between you and at least one other player, one letter per hour of gameplay; and also read the letter from the old main in the beginning village, i think it was.
i think you can get the class at an even lower level than that, but you have to fight 3 bomb enemies to get it, so it might not be worth it. especially for having your stats so low. it's the perfect class for a challenge run, but unless you get lots of good gear for them, it really ain't worth it.
 
you have to complete a quest before you get the job. it's the only one that is unlocked by that method. you need to read some letters through the mognet and be a little bit far in the story for the psp version. ds requires 7 letters exchanged between you and at least one other player, one letter per hour of gameplay; and also read the letter from the old main in the beginning village, i think it was.
i think you can get the class at an even lower level than that, but you have to fight 3 bomb enemies to get it, so it might not be worth it. especially for having your stats so low. it's the perfect class for a challenge run, but unless you get lots of good gear for them, it really ain't worth it.
Too much of a hustle it seems doesn't look like a 1st try thing more of a veteran playstyle
 
Too much of a hustle it seems doesn't look like a 1st try thing more of a veteran playstyle
yeah. fortunately, most of the other classes were adjusted to make them more viable so everyone wouldn't default to just sage and ninja at the end. my party was
luneth: dark knight
arc: red mage
refia: sage
and ignus: dragoon
when i got to the end dungeon. i'll need to spend a few dozen levels with everyone as black belts to get lots of hp to ensure that my party can survive the final battle gauntlet next time.
 
yeah. fortunately, most of the other classes were adjusted to make them more viable so everyone wouldn't default to just sage and ninja at the end. my party was
luneth: dark knight
arc: red mage
refia: sage
and ignus: dragoon
when i got to the end dungeon. i'll need to spend a few dozen levels with everyone as black belts to get lots of hp to ensure that my party can survive the final battle gauntlet next time.
Dragoon is always good since he avoids damage i won that one battle by just doing that same for the Odin fight , magnificent job truly one of the best jobs ever best deal i have ever seen in the history of deals (better read this with trump impression)

Red mage felt a bit weak when i got to the tree of elders but that's just the NES version idk how it goes in the remake probably and most likely much MUCH better than whatever square was dabbling with in 1990 when they made FF3.

Does the cloud still have just 1 attack?
 
Dragoon is always good since he avoids damage i won that one battle by just doing that same for the Odin fight , magnificent job truly one of the best jobs ever best deal i have ever seen in the history of deals (better read this with trump impression)

Red mage felt a bit weak when i got to the tree of elders but that's just the NES version idk how it goes in the remake probably and most likely much MUCH better than whatever square was dabbling with in 1990 when they made FF3.

Does the cloud still have just 1 attack?
oh, no, no, no, no. it's not pathetic anymore in this version. it gets 4 actions per round, and it has minions this time. it has particle beam [ its the same attack in the nes version, just different name] with lightning [hits everyone], bad breath, protect, haste and bitch slaps to round out its arsenal of attacks, and they can occur in any order without any restrictions or time delays.
it's lv 60 with 199,999 hp.
 

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