Switch Do you Agree with the Switch 2 Price?

[CaesariusMagnum]

For the most part, it was exactly what price I expected it to be so I'm not too bummed out by it. It's the price of the games that's got me in a tizzy.

 

[Amag0k1]

For the most part, it was exactly what price I expected it to be so I'm not too bummed out by it. It's the price of the games that's got me in a tizzy.

Oh you will pay more then your predicted, Do not worry about that!.

Do not forget that they can brick your console if your not playing it right, and that is now in the ToS, which they trick people to agree to. You do not own your purchase of the device or the games, you own the license to use it and they have the right to destroy it at any time.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025...-to-brick-switch-consoles-for-hacking-piracy/

Also read this in my email from below. If you have the mail, read the private policy, or heck just click on the consumer rights wiki which points to where it states they can do what they want with this.

https://consumerrights.wiki/Nintendo's_May_2025_Policy_Updates

One unlicensed peripheral, from a company that did not want to pay a licensing fee to the big N, and they turn your system in to an expensive paper weight for connecting it to their system, and booom, by by investment.

The test ground for this started back in 2018, and this is another wilki which explains it. These 3rd party docks looked to resolve the overhearing design floor in the original switch which warped the board, and killed the system in the N official dock.

https://switchchargers.com/nintendo-switch-bricking-faq/

And for any nai sayers, who think this is a leap, remember that planned obsolesce is a branch of engineering, and something that is common place in any form of tech support, server support or ICT / engineering in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

As we have to look at something called mean time to failure for devices, so that we replace them on time, which in business is important to stay in business. This can depend on the advertised length of the warranty related to the device (HDDS as one example), and what the company has to adhere to in consumer rights, which when your buying in volume, the company wants to be reliable to sell more. And ultimately, this is why it is important that consumers do not put up with poor practice, as they will keep escalating the practice.

https://www.emaint.com/mtbf-mttf-mttr-maintenance-kpis/

https://www.dau.edu/acquipedia-article/obsolescence-management

 

[starseeker300]

Oh you will pay more then your predicted, Do not worry about that!.

Do not forget that they can brick your console if your not playing it right, and that is now in the ToS, which they trick people to agree to. You do not own your purchase of the device or the games, you own the license to use it and they have the right to destroy it at any time.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025...-to-brick-switch-consoles-for-hacking-piracy/

Also read this in my email from below. If you have the mail, read the private policy, or heck just click on the consumer rights wiki which points to where it states they can do what they want with this.

https://consumerrights.wiki/Nintendo's_May_2025_Policy_Updates

One unlicensed peripheral, from a company that did not want to pay a licensing fee to the big N, and they turn your system in to an expensive paper weight for connecting it to their system, and booom, by by investment.

The test ground for this started back in 2018, and this is another wilki which explains it. These 3rd party docks looked to resolve the overhearing design floor in the original switch which warped the board, and killed the system in the N official dock.

https://switchchargers.com/nintendo-switch-bricking-faq/

And for any nai sayers, who think this is a leap, remember that planned obsolesce is a branch of engineering, and something that is common place in any form of tech support, server support or ICT / engineering in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

As we have to look at something called mean time to failure for devices, so that we replace them on time, which in business is important to stay in business. This can depend on the advertised length of the warranty related to the device (HDDS as one example), and what the company has to adhere to in consumer rights, which when your buying in volume, the company wants to be reliable to sell more. And ultimately, this is why it is important that consumers do not put up with poor practice, as they will keep escalating the practice.

https://www.emaint.com/mtbf-mttf-mttr-maintenance-kpis/

https://www.dau.edu/acquipedia-article/obsolescence-management

the remote bricking thing is what made me decide to not get the console, If I bought and paid for it, I should be the one who decides what I get to do with it, not anyone else.

 

[yando]

the romote bricking thing is what made me decide to not get the console, If I bought and paid for it, I should be the one who decides what I get to do with it, not anyone else.


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i agree in principle, but god dang they hooked me like a sea bass with that new From game... which i wouldn't have pirated anyway because of the online gameplay

that said, once/if i get a 2, its full-steam ahead on my Switch 1!

 

[Amag0k1]

the romote bricking thing is what made me decide to not get the console, If I bought and paid for it, I should be the one who decides what I get to do with it, not anyone else.

Agreed, they keep moving the goal post on things, and changing the definition to suit their business model.

The more people wake up to this fact and respond to it, the better the industry will be for consumers.

Otherwise we are heading in to a dystopia.

There was a case of one guy who installed malware in to his software to spy on the user, so to see if there are competitors software installed.

If he found it, he would disable your license and ask you to refer to the terms of service.

He is rightly being dragged over the coals for this, and all companies who try similar crud, such as the case of the big N should be also.

Give it time, the industry around this stuff is changing, it is new and all the streamers and the like are buying it up to help support thier business model and provide viewing for others who may not.

But said streamers alone will not sustain the business, and like with subscriptions, the business will kill itself.

They want to enter service models fully, and it will kill the studios who make the games, like Tango almost did with HiFi rush, and what may be happening with the devs who made doom the dark ages.

Remember, they are celebrating total number of players not the profitability, as most of those players are subscribed to services.

We all ways have AI to look forward to, as then they do not need to pay people and they can make savings there, until said AI is too power hungry to run.

The industry is heading down the toilet, and it is a design of their own making..

But remember "making consoles (over designing (bloat) to not focus on gaming but to sabotage the users) is expensive"

"making games (using bloated design practices that allow them to try and market other business pathways such as micro-transactions, kernel mode spying, data theft, and the ability to force you to keep paying) is expensive."

This is why i asked in another post, "what is the purpose", and this is a vehicle for abuse, theft and extortion.

This is not gaming any more, this is not art, this a honey pot.

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i agree in principle, but god dang they hooked me like a sea bass with that new From game... which i wouldn't have pirated anyway because of the online gameplay

I buy my games, and that should mean something, when you make it a service and they say you do not own it, then what is the point in buying anything?

 

[starseeker300]

i agree in principle, but god dang they hooked me like a sea bass with that new From game... which i wouldn't have pirated anyway because of the online gameplay

that said, once/if i get a 2, its full-steam ahead on my Switch 1!

just wait a bit and get it when it comes out on steam, you know it will come over there eventually, dont fall victim to the fomo

 

[CSmith327]

It's actually fairly reasonably priced considering after adjusting for inflation it's like one of the lowest priced consoles Nintendo has produced. Like the NES would be almost $600 in today's money and SNES close to 500. The Wii U would be like $480. So the price is not too bad considering if you compare it to stuff like Steam Deck and those Asus ROG handhelds. What's bullshit is the price of games being $80 and $100. It's crazy that after buying 4 or 5 games you've already paid as much as you did for the system. I think it should be like it used to be and they should be no more than $25. $5 or $10 for the ones that used to be priced $20. I remember way back when I was a kid games used to be priced like $25 or $30 or so when I went to Walmart or Toys R Us. Now you have to either be rich or be into piracy to be able to enjoy being a gamer

 

[Ikagura]

If I bought and paid for it, I should be the one who decides what I get to do with it, not anyone else.

To the limits of legality and the user agreement of course (knives are legally available but you're not allowed to stab people with it).

I mean the warranty gets nullified upon modifying a product.

 

[Amag0k1]

It's actually fairly reasonably priced considering after adjusting for inflation it's like one of the lowest priced consoles Nintendo has produced. Like the NES would be almost $600 in today's money and SNES close to 500.

The other consoles you mention do not go boom if the big N are not happy with you, and the big N cannot take them back or require a server to keep them the games running. So that price vs what you get is imo too expensive. You are essentially renting it till they ever turn the activation server off or until they decide to brick your system.

The Wii U would be like $480. So the price is not too bad considering if you compare it to stuff like Steam Deck and those Asus ROG handhelds. What's bullshit is the price of games being $80 and $100. It's crazy that after buying 4 or 5 games you've already paid as much as you did for the system. I think it should be like it used to be and they should be no more than $25. $5 or $10 for the ones that used to be priced $20. I remember way back when I was a kid games used to be priced like $25 or $30 or so when I went to Walmart or Toys R Us.

Agreed it is BS, and for more then simply it being too expensive, you are buying a licensee not games. So that's already different, and they can revoke it when ever they decide to turn the server off that keeps the server functioning. So, i still feel this comparison people keep making is an apples to oranges situation, both fruit (fun to play), but one is of a different breed, taste and you do not get the same content, as folks should understand what they are actually buying, a license.

Now you have to either be rich or be into piracy to be able to enjoy being a gamer

I disagree here, as i like others should have a back of legit titles they can enjoy with out the bs of the current gaming market.

Otherwise wait for a sale and then maaaaaaay be invest..

Let it burn down, and lets see if they learn anything.

Just my mho.

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To the limits of legality and the user agreement of course (knives are legally available but you're not allowed to stab people with it).

I mean the warranty gets nullified upon modifying a product.

Till it is out of warranty, and till the hackers catch up with it.

I want to see the day when all people know electronics and are bothered to read a terms of service. That will be the day when people stop eating the abuse of the companies, simply because it is convenient to.

Post automatically merged: May 26, 2025

75 million is a disaster now? Wii U I'll give you, but come now.

To start, but lets see if they can keep it up. The games is what sells systems. Keeping a watchful eye on if they mess up on the license servers / peripheral side of things, and if they brick machines accidentally and if they cover replacements or not.

 

[NeonKnights]

Well if the older system prices drop, you can get a neat second hand one, and if confident mod it to become a home system.

Did this recently to a system i repaired, came out grate!

Look into getting a cheap gen 2 model with a broken screen and mod it with either an OLED or a Laminated screen.

 

[Deleted member 560402]

Trump started it with the tariffs and Nintendo got cocky with the prices. But now it might go up even higher than that. I say stop buying for modern platforms and switch to PC. Play indie games. Support indie devs. The games are far better and far cheaper and you won't have to deal with any DRM crap. There's also fangames, rom hacks, and stuff you can download and play for free even without piracy. But if you must go down that route and sail the high seas, there's tons of places you can go and i will name none of them for fear of them getting taken down. lol But yeah screw Nintendo, screw the tariffs, and screw Sony and Microsoft for trying to match it.

 

[Adrastia]

Oh you will pay more then your predicted, Do not worry about that!.

Do not forget that they can brick your console if your not playing it right, and that is now in the ToS, which they trick people to agree to. You do not own your purchase of the device or the games, you own the license to use it and they have the right to destroy it at any time.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025...-to-brick-switch-consoles-for-hacking-piracy/

Also read this in my email from below. If you have the mail, read the private policy, or heck just click on the consumer rights wiki which points to where it states they can do what they want with this.

https://consumerrights.wiki/Nintendo's_May_2025_Policy_Updates

One unlicensed peripheral, from a company that did not want to pay a licensing fee to the big N, and they turn your system in to an expensive paper weight for connecting it to their system, and booom, by by investment.

The test ground for this started back in 2018, and this is another wilki which explains it. These 3rd party docks looked to resolve the overhearing design floor in the original switch which warped the board, and killed the system in the N official dock.

https://switchchargers.com/nintendo-switch-bricking-faq/

And for any nai sayers, who think this is a leap, remember that planned obsolesce is a branch of engineering, and something that is common place in any form of tech support, server support or ICT / engineering in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

As we have to look at something called mean time to failure for devices, so that we replace them on time, which in business is important to stay in business. This can depend on the advertised length of the warranty related to the device (HDDS as one example), and what the company has to adhere to in consumer rights, which when your buying in volume, the company wants to be reliable to sell more. And ultimately, this is why it is important that consumers do not put up with poor practice, as they will keep escalating the practice.

https://www.emaint.com/mtbf-mttf-mttr-maintenance-kpis/

https://www.dau.edu/acquipedia-article/obsolescence-management

Goodness.

Nintendo has long had robust systems in place for detecting when hacked systems are being played online and has not been shy about issuing device-level bans to stop those consoles from ever accessing any of Nintendo's online services. But the new EULA language suggests that Nintendo is now preparing the ability to completely disable Switch devices that run afoul of the usage agreement, even for offline use.

So stop updating and keep it offline if you want to mod it? But then how do you know when it's safe to do so? I guess that future updates will have kill switches for your offline Switch if they don't already.

 

[Deleted member 560402]

Goodness.



So stop updating and keep it offline if you want to mod it? But then how do you know when it's safe to do so? I guess that future updates will have kill switches for your offline Switch if they don't already.

I ain't buying an overpriced doorstopper. I don't care if it comes with a kickstand.

 

[Amag0k1]

Trump started it with the tariffs and Nintendo got cocky with the prices. But now it might go up even higher than that. I say stop buying for modern platforms and switch to PC. Play indie games.

No no no, taraff is one problem,the companies are abusing it.

And Nintendo are taking the p**** as regardless of tarif or not, they choose to give you a license for games and to brick your console if you make mario sad, that has nothing to do with any gov leaders! only the ones at Captin n the games master.

Support indie devs. The games are far better and far cheaper and you won't have to deal with any DRM crap. There's also fangames, rom hacks, and stuff you can download and play for free even without piracy. But if you must go down that route and sail the high seas, there's tons of places you can go and i will name none of them for fear of them getting taken down. lol But yeah screw Nintendo, screw the tariffs, and screw Sony and Microsoft for trying to match it.

Agreed!

 

[Deleted member 132407]

I'd still argue that if you cannot legally get the game for a lower price it doesn't matter if the intent is scalping or not, it's about the end price.

Furthermore I'm also speaking of the price of SNES games back then with the inflation factor added in.


According to https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1993?amount=30 :

And when you see how much Street Fighter II was back when it was new I feel that things weren't really as beautiful as we thought.
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The PS3 and Xbox One arguably sold well.

That's legit no lie, damn I remember DKC & SSF2. Let's just say it paid off doing extra chores & saving money back in the day.

 

[Deleted member 612095]

Oh my old thread that I wrote is still going well !

 

[twistedbee]

yes. it is exactly how much i expected it to be. if you dont like the price youre not required to buy it. just wait a few years and play the roms if you're that worried about it.

 

[Deleted member 560402]

That's legit no lie, damn I remember DKC & SSF2. Let's just say it paid off doing extra chores & saving money back in the day.

I wasn't old enough to work until the GameCube because my folks didn't have the cash to throw around to give allowances. :/ I did get Paper Mario for N64 on my birthday though! I still have the box and manual too! >:D I'm treasuring it!

 

[Roy U. OmOm]

wow

 

[sandogma sandogma]

I'm also content with the price. Had it been cheaper, there would have been cutbacks that would have made the system age poorly and then we all would be complaining about it 2 years from now instead of 5 years from now lol

 

[Deleted member 560402]

I'm also content with the price. Had it been cheaper, there would have been cutbacks that would have made the system age poorly and then we all would be complaining about it 2 years from now instead of 5 years from now lol

what happens when people trade those consoles in and they're bricked? What happens when people trade in those card keys for games that just have outdated codes? Neither of those will age well. The Switch 2 is going to last as long as Nintendo allows it to.

 

[sandogma sandogma]

what happens when people trade those consoles in and they're bricked? What happens when people trade in those card keys for games that just have outdated codes? Neither of those will age well. The Switch 2 is going to last as long as Nintendo allows it to.

I mean, if you are screwed over from a sale from a reseller that promises a working game or console, that's not Nintendo's fault and it should be dealt with by the reseller/3rd party (eBay for example). This scenario already exists with other mobile devices, such as cell phones.

But I do agree with your last sentence, however if anyone thinks getting a console is not buying into a "walled garden" platform, they are setting themselves up for disappointment. Only PC and Linux based SBC's (like retropie) offers that kind of freedom (where ISO's and other images of game data exist for replay if you truly desire preservation).

I do care about being able to hold onto the classic games I grew up with on my terms, and have my offline data thanks to CDR. But in regards to new games, I have no doubt that over time, offline game data will be available. It may take many years, but I don't need to have the data now when I currently have the data today, albeit in its restricted form. But purchasing these games in their current format keeps my conscience clear when I download the offline game data 10 or 15 years from now lol

 

[Deleted member 560402]

I mean, if you are screwed over from a sale from a reseller that promises a working game or console, that's not Nintendo's fault and it should be dealt with by the reseller/3rd party (eBay for example). This scenario already exists with other mobile devices, such as cell phones.

But I do agree with your last sentence, however if anyone thinks getting a console is not buying into a "walled garden" platform, they are setting themselves up for disappointment. Only PC and Linux based SBC's (like retropie) offers that kind of freedom (where ISO's and other images of game data exist for replay if you truly desire preservation).

I do care about being able to hold onto the classic games I grew up with on my terms, and have my offline data thanks to CDR. But in regards to new games, I have no doubt that over time, offline game data will be available. It may take many years, but I don't need to have the data now when I currently have the data today, albeit in its restricted form. But purchasing these games in their current format keeps my conscience clear when I download the offline game data 10 or 15 years from now lol

I ain't talking about the resellers or scalpers. I mean the used game stores a decade from now trying to get rid of stock and nobody wants to buy a console and games they can't play anymore.

 

[sandogma sandogma]

I ain't talking about the resellers or scalpers. I mean the used game stores a decade from now trying to get rid of stock and nobody wants to buy a console and games they can't play anymore.

Is a used game store not a reseller?

 

[Deleted member 560402]

Is a used game store not a reseller?

Same difference then. But used should be way cheaper, especially if it's older.