I could not have said it better my self. Thank you big for the more detailed brake down.
This is what we need, more people actually braking down and taking a closer look at the nuance to of game manufacturing then and now to see past all the marketing, posturing and manipulation.
I would like to see more people chime in to this to keep the discussion going,
From then to now and comparing some of the stuff i do for my work, i think we have gone from a product driven industry which solves problems, and makes peoples lives easier (complimenting a persons life), to heading further and further in to a dynamic of predatory / service driven / orientated hardware.
The switch 2 and others are examples of this.
Companies intend for all people to not own anything, but pay a premium for a license for such hardware which will feed in to them continuing to take liberties such as planned / set obsolescence, to force the consumer to upgrade (look at apple and some of their liberties). There is also the spying, which they trick people to agree to indemnification and holding them harmless towards losses such as data loss (but to name a few) within terms of service, which the user will not read, due the gymnastics required to read such paperwork.
This has nothing to do with being smart at all, but a method to pray upon peoples being willing to overcome an obstetrical, avoidance related to effort required, as people want things to be as easy as they can, as their life is alreadyt hard. So by offering the shinning on the front of things, we make it a bother for them to descover that this is a honey pot of sorts.
There is a lot more problems that come about regarding this, which includes spying and abuses from AI scraping intellectual property of others, so people who have an idea which may work fromt hem, may end up being utilised by the AI beloning to the company, which the user agreed to hold harmless..
We are ultimately heading towards stagnation, and nothing being truly innovated anymore, as problems and abuses will be so well headden, that nothing may gets solved.
Remember, this is just my opinon as some one who works in cyber and hacks hardware, not absolute and others may have a more nuanced and detaield take, i canont provide here.
Correct me if I misunderstood.
But I checked out from the reveal when Nintendo explained that the a physical cartridge has no data on it except a activation/validation code, where the game must be downloaded after activation even if the physical cartridge is mounted.
That's an immediate no sale.
As for the console?
Switch 2, PS5-Pro? Why should I pay for a console that is more expensive than a Steamdeck?
When the Steamdeck can play all the same games? Yes, unlike Sony Nintendo has exclusives but my point still stands.
A Steamdeck in the summer sale is $375.
Not for me, although the truth is that not even the first Switch was to my taste.
I am not interested at all in the portable qualities of the console, if they had released a completely home version I would have bought it without hesitation.
Now with the Switch 2 they repeat the story but more expensive.
Not for me, although the truth is that not even the first Switch was to my taste.
I am not interested at all in the portable qualities of the console, if they had released a completely home version I would have bought it without hesitation.
Now with the Switch 2 they repeat the story but more expensive.
I mean I'm pretty sure that it would nullify a warranty but in the same way this could also potentially allow to play pirated games or even cheat online (theoretically).
I already knew that mod and it is interesting but I was referring to something official from Nintendo, either a home console version with the same specs but cheaper because it has no portable features, or the same price but instead of the portable an improvement in the specs.
I mean I'm pretty sure that it would nullify a warranty but in the same way this could also potentially allow to play pirated games or even cheat online (theoretically).
Courts have ruled that a product purchaser IS allowed to modify their console.
Sooo... yeah. Nintendo is betting that no-one will sue (Nintendo generally has more lawyers and infinitely more money to chuck into delaying such a lawsuit) should a customers' console get remote bricked.
I mean I'm pretty sure that it would nullify a warranty but in the same way this could also potentially allow to play pirated games or even cheat online (theoretically).
Honestly I don't care about the console because why do I need them if I have a Playstation 5 Pro. I can understand the price of the Nintendo Switch 2 after all, Nintendo wants to make money but what I don't understand is why Nintendo charges so much money for the games? They won't make any friends with that.
I don't really like the trend they are setting with the prices even Microsoft followed suit. If you want to have the full experience including the online membership + expansion pack and most of the accessories then you'll be paying way too much. At that point you may as well just grab the highest priced OLED Steam Deck or saving towards a higher end gaming PC.
Yeah, no. In this current economic environment, I can barely afford my rent, let alone shelling out for console/handheld hybrid whose main selling point is "plays all of Nintendo's exclusives legally so that BB Nintendo doesn't end up bricking the thing remotely when you try to play around with it on a, ahem, deeper level".
Honestly, when electronics corps do stuff like that it makes me wish nothing but the worst on them. Like what happened with Easy Anti-Cheat and Apex Legends last year when hackers showed the absolute best reason not to have anti-cheat software that requires firmware level access to your system by hacking a tournament and installing cheats on the competitors systems by using aforementioned anti-cheat software.
I'll pop the tab on a cold one though and give a toast to the Nintendo Switch 2 bombing on launch so hard it loses them money instead of making them more money than last time.
Honestly, when electronics corps do stuff like that it makes me wish nothing but the worst on them. Like what happened with Easy Anti-Cheat and Apex Legends last year when hackers showed the absolute best reason not to have anti-cheat software that requires firmware level access to your system by hacking a tournament and installing cheats on the competitors systems by using aforementioned anti-cheat software.
I'd say that kernel level anti cheat isn't the same thing as trying to jailbreak a hardware but yeah, they shouldn't take that level of control for privacy reasons.
Although I think someone shouldn't modify a console that is currently supported to play pirated games.
For the most part, it was exactly what price I expected it to be so I'm not too bummed out by it. It's the price of the games that's got me in a tizzy.
For the most part, it was exactly what price I expected it to be so I'm not too bummed out by it. It's the price of the games that's got me in a tizzy.
Oh you will pay more then your predicted, Do not worry about that!.
Do not forget that they can brick your console if your not playing it right, and that is now in the ToS, which they trick people to agree to. You do not own your purchase of the device or the games, you own the license to use it and they have the right to destroy it at any time.
Also read this in my email from below. If you have the mail, read the private policy, or heck just click on the consumer rights wiki which points to where it states they can do what they want with this.
One unlicensed peripheral, from a company that did not want to pay a licensing fee to the big N, and they turn your system in to an expensive paper weight for connecting it to their system, and booom, by by investment.
The test ground for this started back in 2018, and this is another wilki which explains it. These 3rd party docks looked to resolve the overhearing design floor in the original switch which warped the board, and killed the system in the N official dock.
And for any nai sayers, who think this is a leap, remember that planned obsolesce is a branch of engineering, and something that is common place in any form of tech support, server support or ICT / engineering in general.
As we have to look at something called mean time to failure for devices, so that we replace them on time, which in business is important to stay in business. This can depend on the advertised length of the warranty related to the device (HDDS as one example), and what the company has to adhere to in consumer rights, which when your buying in volume, the company wants to be reliable to sell more. And ultimately, this is why it is important that consumers do not put up with poor practice, as they will keep escalating the practice.
Oh you will pay more then your predicted, Do not worry about that!.
Do not forget that they can brick your console if your not playing it right, and that is now in the ToS, which they trick people to agree to. You do not own your purchase of the device or the games, you own the license to use it and they have the right to destroy it at any time.
Also read this in my email from below. If you have the mail, read the private policy, or heck just click on the consumer rights wiki which points to where it states they can do what they want with this.
One unlicensed peripheral, from a company that did not want to pay a licensing fee to the big N, and they turn your system in to an expensive paper weight for connecting it to their system, and booom, by by investment.
The test ground for this started back in 2018, and this is another wilki which explains it. These 3rd party docks looked to resolve the overhearing design floor in the original switch which warped the board, and killed the system in the N official dock.
And for any nai sayers, who think this is a leap, remember that planned obsolesce is a branch of engineering, and something that is common place in any form of tech support, server support or ICT / engineering in general.
As we have to look at something called mean time to failure for devices, so that we replace them on time, which in business is important to stay in business. This can depend on the advertised length of the warranty related to the device (HDDS as one example), and what the company has to adhere to in consumer rights, which when your buying in volume, the company wants to be reliable to sell more. And ultimately, this is why it is important that consumers do not put up with poor practice, as they will keep escalating the practice.
the remote bricking thing is what made me decide to not get the console, If I bought and paid for it, I should be the one who decides what I get to do with it, not anyone else.
the romote bricking thing is what made me decide to not get the console, If I bought and paid for it, I should be the one who decides what I get to do with it, not anyone else.
i agree in principle, but god dang they hooked me like a sea bass with that new From game... which i wouldn't have pirated anyway because of the online gameplay
that said, once/if i get a 2, its full-steam ahead on my Switch 1!
the romote bricking thing is what made me decide to not get the console, If I bought and paid for it, I should be the one who decides what I get to do with it, not anyone else.
Agreed, they keep moving the goal post on things, and changing the definition to suit their business model.
The more people wake up to this fact and respond to it, the better the industry will be for consumers.
Otherwise we are heading in to a dystopia.
There was a case of one guy who installed malware in to his software to spy on the user, so to see if there are competitors software installed.
If he found it, he would disable your license and ask you to refer to the terms of service.
He is rightly being dragged over the coals for this, and all companies who try similar crud, such as the case of the big N should be also.
Give it time, the industry around this stuff is changing, it is new and all the streamers and the like are buying it up to help support thier business model and provide viewing for others who may not.
But said streamers alone will not sustain the business, and like with subscriptions, the business will kill itself.
They want to enter service models fully, and it will kill the studios who make the games, like Tango almost did with HiFi rush, and what may be happening with the devs who made doom the dark ages.
Remember, they are celebrating total number of players not the profitability, as most of those players are subscribed to services.
We all ways have AI to look forward to, as then they do not need to pay people and they can make savings there, until said AI is too power hungry to run.
The industry is heading down the toilet, and it is a design of their own making..
But remember "making consoles (over designing (bloat) to not focus on gaming but to sabotage the users) is expensive"
"making games (using bloated design practices that allow them to try and market other business pathways such as micro-transactions, kernel mode spying, data theft, and the ability to force you to keep paying) is expensive."
This is why i asked in another post, "what is the purpose", and this is a vehicle for abuse, theft and extortion.
This is not gaming any more, this is not art, this a honey pot.
i agree in principle, but god dang they hooked me like a sea bass with that new From game... which i wouldn't have pirated anyway because of the online gameplay
i agree in principle, but god dang they hooked me like a sea bass with that new From game... which i wouldn't have pirated anyway because of the online gameplay
that said, once/if i get a 2, its full-steam ahead on my Switch 1!
It's actually fairly reasonably priced considering after adjusting for inflation it's like one of the lowest priced consoles Nintendo has produced. Like the NES would be almost $600 in today's money and SNES close to 500. The Wii U would be like $480. So the price is not too bad considering if you compare it to stuff like Steam Deck and those Asus ROG handhelds. What's bullshit is the price of games being $80 and $100. It's crazy that after buying 4 or 5 games you've already paid as much as you did for the system. I think it should be like it used to be and they should be no more than $25. $5 or $10 for the ones that used to be priced $20. I remember way back when I was a kid games used to be priced like $25 or $30 or so when I went to Walmart or Toys R Us. Now you have to either be rich or be into piracy to be able to enjoy being a gamer
It's actually fairly reasonably priced considering after adjusting for inflation it's like one of the lowest priced consoles Nintendo has produced. Like the NES would be almost $600 in today's money and SNES close to 500.
The other consoles you mention do not go boom if the big N are not happy with you, and the big N cannot take them back or require a server to keep them the games running. So that price vs what you get is imo too expensive. You are essentially renting it till they ever turn the activation server off or until they decide to brick your system.
The Wii U would be like $480. So the price is not too bad considering if you compare it to stuff like Steam Deck and those Asus ROG handhelds. What's bullshit is the price of games being $80 and $100. It's crazy that after buying 4 or 5 games you've already paid as much as you did for the system. I think it should be like it used to be and they should be no more than $25. $5 or $10 for the ones that used to be priced $20. I remember way back when I was a kid games used to be priced like $25 or $30 or so when I went to Walmart or Toys R Us.
Agreed it is BS, and for more then simply it being too expensive, you are buying a licensee not games. So that's already different, and they can revoke it when ever they decide to turn the server off that keeps the server functioning. So, i still feel this comparison people keep making is an apples to oranges situation, both fruit (fun to play), but one is of a different breed, taste and you do not get the same content, as folks should understand what they are actually buying, a license.
Till it is out of warranty, and till the hackers catch up with it.
I want to see the day when all people know electronics and are bothered to read a terms of service. That will be the day when people stop eating the abuse of the companies, simply because it is convenient to.
To start, but lets see if they can keep it up. The games is what sells systems. Keeping a watchful eye on if they mess up on the license servers / peripheral side of things, and if they brick machines accidentally and if they cover replacements or not.
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