Changes on Banning System

[Dannzy]

Maybe in the absence of a permanent ban, a permanent read-only mode could be applied. Main concern should be to stop offenders from reaching others at the very least.

 

[fake-kun]

Maybe in the absence of a permanent ban, a permanent read-only mode could be applied. Main concern should be to stop offenders from reaching others at the very least.

Sounds like a ban with extra steps.

 

[Hourai]

He got unbanned because the warning system was bypassed entirely, and he was given no chance to right the ship after being a decent member of this community (on every iteration) for years. I certainly don't agree with the views he expressed, but that doesn't mean he was exempt from standard procedures. I hope he learned and can return to continue posting jokes on the Spanish board and weird art like before.

While people can change, and I encourage that...it's been a few days since he was banned. You'll have to forgive me for not believing that he's changed that fast. At most, I can see him seeing that he'd need to be more careful. But then, with these rules in place, I can see him not needing to.

 

[Sumea]

Sounds like a ban with extra steps.

I am a bit of an evil mastermind myself and would totally hand the repo access as a goal for good behaviour, or self soft-ban after some warnings so if they cannot play nice and how most of the forums wants them to play then not play at all.

And I say this, as someone who could say a lot of opinions that would rub people the wrong way, pull out the most racist jokes from my grade school years and not feel even that bad about it, but I learned to play nice with anyone by default, follow vibes of places and some such. I just have a sort of ability to try to read the room and if I have a burning need to open my antisemite joke book and post some wild shit, I would go to 4chan, reddit or wholesomecatpics forum. They love that book in that cat forum.

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

People have been instabanned previously for similar practices, though.

There was a user who used those antisemite jewish parentheses (who also happened to have Kaiser in their name, which also is a dogwhistle combined with said parentheses usage). That user had been behaving normally and was a "decent member" until that post, and at the very least both I and miguk caught them doing the parentheses and both reported it, and he was banned immediately.

I don't actually remember that one, but I wager they were still pretty new? "Out-Of-The-Gate, Suicide Bombers" are rare, so they probably behaved well for a while before doing their thing. I don't know, but I'm having a hard time recalling the case and it seemed to have triggered multiple reports at once.

 

[dem6n dem6n]

Is there any way that I could perhaps get in a private convo with the mods or Spike? I can't talk about it here.

 

[fake-kun]

Is there any way that I could perhaps get in a private convo with the mods or Spike? I can't talk about it here.

You can DM the mods.

 

[Tonberry]

I don't actually remember that one, but I wager they were still pretty new? "Out-Of-The-Gate, Suicide Bombers" are rare, so they probably behaved well for a while before doing their thing. I don't know, but I'm having a hard time recalling the case and it seemed to have triggered multiple reports at once.

I found it:

Supply and demand, or worship a brand?

Its frankly terrifying how many PC games come out like trash. Nvidia certainly fucking it up royally with their RTX shenanigans It's not like the solution for it is that hard. Just have a small dedicated team that will optimize the game for PC during development. But these corpos refuses to do...

retrogametalk.com

You were right in that it looks like it was a pretty new user, but my point was more that blatant antisemitic behavior has been rightfully instabanned before (once they over-extended and it was noticeable), and blatant antisemitic behavior isn't exactly something I'd deem "convalescence"-worthy.

But, I am not a mod, nor am I Spike. He showed us only a small example of the shit he has to deal with during the General Lockdown arc, and I don't want something as simple as a video game forum (connected to a vast emulation repository) to cause the admin/moderators so much anguish from unhinged people.

I'm just uncertain if not permabanning at all is the optimal way to go, though I'm not against you guys experimenting with different moderation tactics, as long as we're allowed to voice our opinions of course.

 

[Sumea]

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[Waffles's iconWaffles]

I found it:

Supply and demand, or worship a brand?

Its frankly terrifying how many PC games come out like trash. Nvidia certainly fucking it up royally with their RTX shenanigans It's not like the solution for it is that hard. Just have a small dedicated team that will optimize the game for PC during development. But these corpos refuses to do...

retrogametalk.com

You were right in that it looks like it was a pretty new user, but my point was more that blatant antisemitic behavior has been rightfully instabanned before (once they over-extended and it was noticeable), and blatant antisemitic behavior isn't exactly something I'd deem "convalescence"-worthy.

But, I am not a mod, nor am I Spike. He showed us only a small example of the shit he has to deal with during the General Lockdown arc, and I don't want something as simple as a video game forum (connected to a vast emulation repository) to cause the admin/moderators so much anguish from unhinged people.

I'm just uncertain if not permabanning at all is the optimal way to go, though I'm not against you guys experimenting with different moderation tactics, as long as we're allowed to voice our opinions of course.

Ooooh, yeah. I remember that one now. It was the location which did them in, actually. It became the one thing that couldn't be hidden as a misunderstanding or anything of the sort. When it's that blatant (and coming from someone that new), we absolutely have no reservations about it.

And yes, you can voice your opinions... Would be kind of a shitty forum if not!

 

[thecrow2313]

Mods & fellow users shouldn't have to put up with hateful remarks, antisemitic nonsense, racist comments, political jargon. That's what adds fuel to the fire.

 

[Tonberry]

Ooooh, yeah. I remember that one now. It was the location which did them in, actually. It became the one thing that couldn't be hidden as a misunderstanding or anything of the sort. When it's that blatant (and coming from someone that new), we absolutely have no reservations about it.

And yes, you can voice your opinions... Would be kind of a shitty forum if not!

Hypothetically, say that that post was from today, and that user had been active since joining up until now. That user has three things that openly insinuates antisemitic behavior. Username, location, and the use of parentheses.
Would users be able to report those three things separately, thus giving them three warning points immediately, putting them in read-only mode or even a perma-ban?

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

Hypothetically, say that that post was from today, and that user had been active since joining up until now. That user has three things that openly insinuates antisemitic behavior. Username, location, and the use of parentheses.
Would users be able to report those three things separately, thus giving them three warning points immediately, putting them in read-only mode or even a perma-ban?

Theorically, yes.

We can't warn someone more than once for the same thing (not immediately, anyway), but three separated reports should result in three separated warnings if justified. That said, the system has never been put to the test and I'll have to ask Spike directly.

 

[JustLooking123]

Well, even if we enable the ban, it's not like that everything will be solved.
Unfortunately even if we permanently ban some users, they might return under different identities.
We have seen this happened many times... and we could only catch some of them.
Some revealed after a long time, and we found them to be behaving properly.

Having the limitations of ban in mind, and the emotional problems that it can cause, we decided that responding to behavior can be actually more efficient than targeting users who have misbehaved in the past... because there's no escape from this new approach.

The punishment to some actions might be subject to change though...
For example, we might adjust the punishment duration based on the severity of the action and the number of repeated offenses.
We are still working on the details... and time can be a good teacher too... so we are not getting ahead of ourselves.

Unfortunately there's no perfect solution to prevent misbehavior in the theory, but in practice, i think our approach can actually stop it efficiently.

 

[Tonberry]

Theorically, yes.

We can't warn someone more than once for the same thing (not immediately, anyway), but three separated reports should result in three separated warnings if justified. That said, the system has never been put to the test and I'll have to ask Spike directly.

Alright, thanks for the clarification, I was just curious.

I can only speak for myself, but I think I'm pretty quick to report blatantly rule-breaking stuff (I think reporting is more effective than stopping to argue, if you think they're breaking the rules that is), and this new system seems to warrant greater vigilance from users to actually report stuff, and a higher workload for moderators, since they'd probably have to be more scrutinous for this system to actually have any effect.
Not saying that's inherently good or bad, just a shift in energy and approach to how to treat posts, but I've seen Spike repeatedly say that people should report stuff more, which leads me to believe that people simply don't report enough.

 

[Carlnshake]

There is a way to avoid all of this. We could just talk about videogames on the videogame forum.

 

[Antilocal123]

There is a way to avoid all of this. We could just talk about videogames on the videogame forum.

Gamers can't even talk videogames without upping the pole, just make a thread titled “AAA Games are better than Retro lmao”

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

There is a way to avoid all of this. We could just talk about videogames on the videogame forum.

HELL YEAH!

I still want to make that thread about why Mario got a land, a world and a galaxy while Luigi got a fucking house XD

 

[Tonberry]

Well, even if we enable the ban, it's not like that everything will be solved.
Unfortunately even if we permanently ban some users, they might return under different identities.
We have seen this happened many times... and we could only catch some of them.
Some revealed after a long time, and we found them to be behaving properly.

I get your point, but I'd argue that this is simply the task of a moderator.

 

[Carlnshake]

HELL YEAH!

I still want to make that thread about why Mario got a land, a world and a galaxy while Luigi got a fucking house XD

A haunted one! Luigi can't catch a break

 

[Sumea]

Gamers can't even talk videogames without upping the pole, just make a thread titled “AAA Games are better than Retro lmao”

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

There is a way to avoid all of this. We could just talk about videogames on the videogame forum.

You are asking too much for this forum.

 

[Antilocal123]

You are asking too much for this forum.

I’m sure the guy who constantly gets informed about commissions would know about being asked too much lmao

 

[jiyuuboyetsvi]

I don't understand this seemingly primal need for bad actors to whinge so hard about their "right" to treat others poorly

 

[Cheela Cheela Cheela's icon]

ngl this is bad call boss.

a lil more serious statement than my usual shenanigans, but this feels more like handing the people that want to break the rules to be hateful towards users but stills wants to be here for the roms, a silver plate to be hateful, making this forum not soo different to other social platforms. I know that you have dealt with awful people in the past that abuse laws systems to treat you and this community for not lining up to their world views, while at the same time being full on assholes and violating every single rule possible at the forum, making statements about the longevity of their accounts or their mental states as a shield to protect themselves for being assholes. But this is not going to change that in the long run, it may even cause more problems because now they can really go all out on that now that u dont have the mods to cover you on banning. Yes i think banning is most effective, as is more tedious for them specially with how many people i see complaining they have to make and account with a real email in the first place.

Only time will tell what will end up happening, but this is worrisome at is minimum and dangerous at the long run.