Any other Linux users here? And has anyone fully migrated?

[raiden_dj]

neofetch can list steam games ?? and python packages ??

 

[petran79]

Let me guess, single drive?
Windows tends to corrupt the boot sector of linux distros given enough time, the only time dual boot is ever viable long term is if you are using multiple drives, otherwise you will get corruption.

if only it was the boot sector I would have solved easily. It was the whole Linux partition, requiring reinstall.
Ubuntu after an update would not boot even in repair mode.

Opensuse while I was browsing inside the session, suddenly got various error messages and no application could launch. I couldn't even log out or reboot. Had to hard reset and after that Linux loader was gone. Also 1 tb of data was lost from a connected external USB drive.I recovered whatever I could from Windows.

Linux way of dealing with usb ntfs drives where if you forgot to click "safely remove" it becomes unreadable till you fix it only via linux, was the icing on the cake.

From now on, I use there only USB sticks instead of larger USB hard disks

 

[Leon]

if only it was the boot sector I would have solved easily. It was the whole Linux partition, requiring reinstall.
Ubuntu after an update would not boot even in repair mode.

Opensuse while I was browsing inside the session, suddenly got various error messages and no application could launch. I couldn't even log out or reboot. Had to hard reset and after that Linux loader was gone. Also 1 tb of data was lost from a connected external USB drive.I recovered whatever I could from Windows.

Linux way of dealing with usb ntfs drives where if you forgot to click "safely remove" it becomes unreadable till you fix it only via linux, was the icing on the cake.

From now on, I use there only USB sticks instead of larger USB hard disks

Well, when i said boot sector i was being kinda facetious, i can't remember exactly what it does but windows given enough time tends to overwrite parts of linux including important kernel files, i don't know if it's intentional per-se, but it's 100% on windows end.

NTFS is...ok i gotta rant a bit about this.
First yes this is MS's fault but it's far more than just MS trying to screw over linux, because it also messes up on windows too.
NTFS is a monumental POS that windows has had for 30 F**KING YEARS and hasn't fixed the corruption issues, yes it can and does happen in windows as well, however it's less noticeable in windows because chkdisk tends to check for errors in NTFS drives on windows and since NTFS is a MS proprietary file system linux can't permanently fix it due to it being closed source, it's such a mess.
NTFS is required for windows boot drives i think, but overall it's best to use EXfat if you want transferable file systems between windows and linux (honestly i kind of think EXfat is better for even windows on secondary drives due to only corrupting the file in use at worst since it doesn't work the same way but that's beside the point), or use windows subsystem for linux and just make a drive EXT4, NTFS is such a broken mess on windows, and even worse elsewhere.

 

[diapered]

neofetch can list steam games ?? and python packages ??

I've never seen it list BIOS by default, that's what I noticed.

 

[aquova]

neofetch showing BIOS data is new to me as well.

I do like the right-hand panel placement though, I might steal that idea

 

[SpikeSlania]

I always had issues after a while when installing dual boot Linux and Windows, as Linux partition would become corrupt.
Years ago with Ubuntu and recently with Opensuse.
So I decided to have a laptop exclusively for Linux Mint and a desktop for Windows 10.

Let me guess, single drive?
Windows tends to corrupt the boot sector of linux distros given enough time, the only time dual boot is ever viable long term is if you are using multiple drives, otherwise you will get corruption.

Funny enough if you go watch JayzTwoCents Linux video, at the end of the video he shows his Bazzite install corrupted and not booting with all of the video comments mentioning his Windows dual boot is corrupting his install.

 

[KaiserMk7]

Well, when i said boot sector i was being kinda facetious, i can't remember exactly what it does but windows given enough time tends to overwrite parts of linux including important kernel files, i don't know if it's intentional per-se, but it's 100% on windows end.

NTFS is...ok i gotta rant a bit about this.
First yes this is MS's fault but it's far more than just MS trying to screw over linux, because it also messes up on windows too.
NTFS is a monumental POS that windows has had for 30 F**KING YEARS and hasn't fixed the corruption issues, yes it can and does happen in windows as well, however it's less noticeable in windows because chkdisk tends to check for errors in NTFS drives on windows and since NTFS is a MS proprietary file system linux can't permanently fix it due to it being closed source, it's such a mess.
NTFS is required for windows boot drives i think, but overall it's best to use EXfat if you want transferable file systems between windows and linux (honestly i kind of think EXfat is better for even windows on secondary drives due to only corrupting the file in use at worst since it doesn't work the same way but that's beside the point), or use windows subsystem for linux and just make a drive EXT4, NTFS is such a broken mess on windows, and even worse elsewhere.

Reasonably speaking, shouldn't an OS just not automatically interact with unrelated drive partitions? Shouldn't the user be able to take for granted that only through manual, 100%-solicited use of partition editor and mounting/file browsing tools should they ever expect one OS partition or its contents to be modified through use of another OS?

 

[aquova]

Reasonably speaking, shouldn't an OS just not automatically interact with unrelated drive partitions? Shouldn't the user be able to take for granted that only through manual, 100%-solicited use of partition editor and mounting/file browsing tools should they ever expect one OS partition or its contents to be modified through use of another OS?

I'll admit I haven't heard of this issue of Windows causing boot sector issues, but I could see it happening. The kernel itself is stored in the boot partition, and for many users (particularly ones coming from Windows) they'll use the Windows-created boot partition for Linux as well.

 

[Leon]

Funny enough if you go watch JayzTwoCents Linux video, at the end of the video he shows his Bazzite install corrupted and not booting with all of the video comments mentioning his Windows dual boot is corrupting his install.

yeah saw that, happens to literally everyone who dual boot off a single drive.

Reasonably speaking, shouldn't an OS just not automatically interact with unrelated drive partitions? Shouldn't the user be able to take for granted that only through manual, 100%-solicited use of partition editor and mounting/file browsing tools should they ever expect one OS partition or its contents to be modified through use of another OS?

You'd think that but windows has done this since i think windows vista and it's hard not to think it's intentional on their part, however since it can't be proven, yeah.

If i'm being honest i think microsoft intentionally does this but since it can't be proven we can't claim that openly legally.

 

[petran79]

yeah saw that, happens to literally everyone who dual boot off a single drive.

You'd think that but windows has done this since i think windows vista and it's hard not to think it's intentional on their part, however since it can't be proven, yeah.

If i'm being honest i think microsoft intentionally does this but since it can't be proven we can't claim that openly legally.

The thing is, because initially the Linux partition was too small, I had to increase it.
But first I had to free space via Windows disk Manager, then reboot with Linux USB Stick and append the free space to the partition.

Had I done this straight via Linux, it would have caused issues.

 

[SpikeSlania]

(opensuse btw)

I am curious to ask what made you go with OpenSuse? Not saying it's bad or anything, I hear it's great for business/office use, which made me curious what drew you to it?

@diapered @Leon
Been going steady with Fedora Workstation for what feels like a few months now without a distro hop, so started getting random ideas on trying something new. Wanted to give the Budgie environment a try and that lead me to Solus. Should be interesting, still have my Fedora Workstation on a seperate SSD incase the experience doesn't end well, but should at least cure my itch for distro hopping :P

 

[Leon]

I am curious to ask what made you go with OpenSuse? Not saying it's bad or anything, I hear it's great for business/office use, which made me curious what drew you to it?

@diapered @Leon
Been going steady with Fedora Workstation for what feels like a few months now without a distro hop, so started getting random ideas on trying something new. Wanted to give the Budgie environment a try and that lead me to Solus. Should be interesting, still have my Fedora Workstation on a seperate SSD incase the experience doesn't end well, but should at least cure my itch for distro hopping :P

Nice, best of luck to you.

As for opensuse, i'd never use opensuse, it's political leanings aside, it's TOO hateful of any idea the board didn't agree with, to the point they had trouble getting anyone willing to join their board recently.
To put it another way, the leadership of opensuse is too toxic for me to trust it will survive in it's current state for too long, but i could be wrong.

 

[petran79]

In my case I tried Opensuse because it was my first Linux try back in 2010 but dropped it in favour of Ubuntu.

But issue with Ubuntu, Mint etc is that if you like using newer and bleeding edge software, you risk messing the system, having to use external ppas and libraries.
So better use a distro who installs new stuff automatically.
Though at least flatpak améliorated the situation for beginner users, if you can judge and use it properly that is.

Another reason was the ztfr (? forgot name) disk format that used less space than ext4

But I realised such distros are only good if you have never hardware.

Eg I had a gtx 1080 gpu and proper VRR on Wayland was not supported on that old gpu. Only Gsync worked in xorg and for majority of programs it worked only if I used xorg combined with lxde.

If I have to do away with kde because of this, I might as well use Mint

 

[SpikeSlania]

If I have to do away with kde because of this, I might as well use Mint

Oh god, Mint. That was a headache. I changed my mom's old desktop to Linux before the EOL on Win10 and let her pick her Windows environment. She wanted Cinnamon so tried doing Fedora Cinnamon first which everything worked great, her wifi USB dongle had drivers and everything, but then after rebooting after getting updates and it took a poo and wouldn't boot in. I have the suspicion that Fedora Spins aren't well maintenand beyond their flagship Workstation and KDE since I also had issues with the Cosmic Spin. Changed it to LMDE then. Install went fine, but then no longer had drivers for the wifi USB dongle. Stuff that came in the Fedora ISO isn't in the Mint ISO. Tried googling how to fix it and kept getting stuff about using the terminal and editing files and was like nope. Ended up hardwiring her PC into the router and she hasn't complained yet about a dangling wire in her office, one day she might notice and complain, if she does no more Cinnamon and hello KDE :p

 

[Leon]

In my case I tried Opensuse because it was my first Linux try back in 2010 but dropped it in favour of Ubuntu.

But issue with Ubuntu, Mint etc is that if you like using newer and bleeding edge software, you risk messing the system, having to use external ppas and libraries.
So better use a distro who installs new stuff automatically.
Though at least flatpak améliorated the situation for beginner users, if you can judge and use it properly that is.

Another reason was the ztfr (? forgot name) disk format that used less space than ext4

But I realised such distros are only good if you have never hardware.

Eg I had a gtx 1080 gpu and proper VRR on Wayland was not supported on that old gpu. Only Gsync worked in xorg and for majority of programs it worked only if I used xorg combined with lxde.

If I have to do away with kde because of this, I might as well use Mint

You might want to try puppy linux or damn small linux if you want as small a resource cost as possible, as much as i love kde it's memory hog.
If you MUST use kde i'd suggest trying arch or a arch based distro designed for minimal configuration and bloat, if arch seems a bit much i'd suggest endeavor os, basically arch with less hassle.
Another one that's probably "ok" is debian and devuan, personally of the 2 i'd probably pick devuan because it doesn't use system D as that adds a bit of overhead.

As for opensuse, back in 2010 it was one of the best but that was before some of the board went insane and started banning other board members, imo opensuse is likely to be absorbed by SUSE in the future as opensuse has burned too many bridges.

 

[raiden_dj]

I am curious to ask what made you go with OpenSuse? Not saying it's bad or anything, I hear it's great for business/office use, which made me curious what drew you to it?

@diapered @Leon
Been going steady with Fedora Workstation for what feels like a few months now without a distro hop, so started getting random ideas on trying something new. Wanted to give the Budgie environment a try and that lead me to Solus. Should be interesting, still have my Fedora Workstation on a seperate SSD incase the experience doesn't end well, but should at least cure my itch for distro hopping :P

tried it on my old 2010 thinkpad x201t and it ran great and everything worked, then tried it on my desktop and it was also great, also i like YaST

it does have its problems here and there with its defaults sometimes when just installed, but nothing you cant fix if you know your linux-fu

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omg i just read that they are ditching YaST

 

[SpikeSlania]

omg i just read that they are ditching YaST

Sounds like you just got a reason to test drive another distro :p

 

[diapered]

I am curious to ask what made you go with OpenSuse? Not saying it's bad or anything, I hear it's great for business/office use, which made me curious what drew you to it?

@diapered @Leon
Been going steady with Fedora Workstation for what feels like a few months now without a distro hop, so started getting random ideas on trying something new. Wanted to give the Budgie environment a try and that lead me to Solus. Should be interesting, still have my Fedora Workstation on a seperate SSD incase the experience doesn't end well, but should at least cure my itch for distro hopping :P

I'm flattered for the mention for my opinion, but @Leon is going to know much more than me. I know you are not a newbie, so all I can do is continue to champion Garuda (newbies I rec manjaro), but iirc you had a bad experience with Garuda So I can't really help >_<

Speaking of garuda...

Last update was "powered by garuda health" That is new O_o I don't know what that is, but I guess that's pretty cool. Is garuda now trying to encroach on manjaro as the easy to use arch based distro? I think it already is in a lot of ways! It just needs a sleek "all in one" software/update center like manjaro has with pamac. Yes, I know any arch based distro can install and use pamac, but that is specifically developed for manjaro, so I don't use it. I use octopi for installing packages, and use the garuda assistants for everything else.

 

[Leon]

I'm flattered for the mention for my opinion, but @Leon is going to know much more than me. I know you are not a newbie, so all I can do is continue to champion Garuda (newbies I rec manjaro), but iirc you had a bad experience with Garuda So I can't really help >_<

Speaking of garuda...
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Last update was "powered by garuda health" That is new O_o I don't know what that is, but I guess that's pretty cool. Is garuda now trying to encroach on manjaro as the easy to use arch based distro? I think it already is in a lot of ways! It just needs a sleek "all in one" software/update center like manjaro has with pamac. Yes, I know any arch based distro can install and use pamac, but that is specifically developed for manjaro, so I don't use it. I use octopi for installing packages, and use the garuda assistants for everything else.

Garuda health checks the stability of your drives and the garuda install, most notabily if you have a drive that is reporting a SMART fault or shows signs of dying, it will warn you before the drive dies, provided it's not a catastrophic failure of course, most people don't check the SMART status of their drives often so it's useful for alot of people.

 

[SpikeSlania]

I'm flattered for the mention for my opinion, but Leon is going to know much more than me. I know you are not a newbie, so all I can do is continue to champion Garuda (newbies I rec manjaro), but iirc you had a bad experience with Garuda So I can't really help >_<

I feel like the more I learn about Manjaro the more I would want to tell people to stay away from it :P Garuda definetely has some nice themes just their Rani App took a poo when I tried using it. Not sure if I would be missing much of the Garuda experience if I didn't use that App, but yeah I'm at the point where I tend to use Distros that are more of the stock experience and modify them to my liking from there.

Solus is one of the few Distros that isn't based off another which is one of the interesting things about it. Also seems to stay pretty up to date on packages for having to maintain their own repos. Like my Lutris is 5.19 while the github says the latest is 5.18 so it's like I'm gaming in the future! Budgie though is still X11 which that is probably the biggest con I have against it but the developers want to go full Wayland asap and drop X11 and not mess around with XLibre or anything which I can be on board with. Isn't like my monitor supports HDR or VRR so isn't like I need Wayland now. But yeah, Solus feels like I'm running on Fedora without IBM watching over them.

 

[semyaza]

i love windows, arch and mac. im not an advanced user and it took me some time to get stuff going with xorg and now i have to change to wayland? i like x pffft

 

[SpikeSlania]

i love windows, arch and mac. im not an advanced user and it took me some time to get stuff going with xorg and now i have to change to wayland? i like x pffft

XOrg is barely on life support. It would be for system security that you will need to eventually move to Wayland. There is nothing stopping you from continuing to use X11, other than eventually it will be dropped from Distro Repos. There is the XLibre Project for continued X11 support but let's just say there are issues in the project and will be questionable if your Distro will support it. I think it's in the Arch repos but there was already issues with multiple people trying to host it and claim official ownership of it in Arch.

 

[KaiserMk7]

What sort of distro should one use on a windows 10 launch notebook?

 

[raiden_dj]

Sounds like you just got a reason to test drive another distro :p

nah, i have a lot of experience with distros already, if suse explodes im switching to fedora straight up lol

 

[vulonkaaz's iconvulonkaaz]

you'll never ever be forced to use wayland xorg just works doesn't matter if they stop coding it it doesn't need to be updated anyway even if apps stop supporting xorg which won't happen compatibility layers will be made its already possible to launch wayland compositors on top of x11

and if you're an updoot addicted x11 user (this would be paradoxal and incompatible with the laws of physics as they are understood right now, this kind of user doesn't exist) there is always the schizos at xlibre doing their own thing