Chrono Trigger cost my parents 89.99 dollars at the local Toys R'Us. I don't know if that was Toys R'Us overcharging on products, the additional prices of importing to Puerto Rico, or if that was the price in the US, but that is the highest price I've seen for a single game at launch.
My guess is that the game was massive. Most RPGs cost more than any other game genre. Earthbound cost more than Chrono Trigger because it came in a huge box with a strategy guide inside which is one of the reasons it sold poorly aside from the bad US marketing. Same with Virtual Boy, which came out with a $149.95 price even though it was supposed to be a "handheld device".
I would never say such thing, I would say it's prolly the most important considering it's the biggest consumer market in the world. And I wasn't saying about any one specific commentary also if came that way. I was just pointing out that saying this is the low hanging fruit in a way.
And ye, we will never know, but I can say, that's not a decision you take lightly, I would say, any big corporation would takes a least months, if not a year or more to make such decision. Specially with how cautious they seem to be with this whole switch 2, to not fuck up like they did with wii u most likely.
I find it interesting their JP pricing tho, specially with the rumors of a Sony standalone handheld which were floating around few months ago. This price increase of games could potentially bite them in the ass in the future, specially if for some reason it doesn't catch up on other platforms.
My guess is that the game was massive. Most RPGs cost more than any other game genre. Earthbound cost more than Chrono Trigger because it came in a huge box with a strategy guide inside which is one of the reasons it sold poorly aside from the bad US marketing. Same with Virtual Boy, which came out with a $149.95 price even though it was supposed to be a "handheld device".
I would never say such thing, I would say it's prolly the most important considering it's the biggest consumer market in the world. And I wasn't saying about any one specific commentary also if came that way. I was just pointing out that saying this is the low hanging fruit in a way.
And ye, we will never know, but I can say, that's not a decision you take lightly, I would say, any big corporation would takes a least months, if not a year or more to make such decision. Specially with how cautious they seem to be with this whole switch 2, to not fuck up like they did with wii u most likely.
I find it interesting their JP pricing tho, specially with the rumors of a Sony standalone handheld which were floating around few months ago. This price increase of games could potentially bite them in the ass in the future, specially if for some reason it doesn't catch up on other platforms.
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I think there was also the fact of manufacturing price of the cartridge, specially the rom storage.
Chrono Trigger cost my parents 89.99 dollars at the local Toys R'Us. I don't know if that was Toys R'Us overcharging on products, the additional prices of importing to Puerto Rico, or if that was the price in the US, but that is the highest price I've seen for a single game at launch.
Hot dog, but this was a bucket of cold water after the presentation. The bad old days of "we price this how the hell we please" are back, if MKWorld being $80 and DKBananza going for $70 are any indication. Both are first party releases for the new system, but one costs more because-
I don't think there was any reason to expect them not to follow the pricing of competitors, but they've also settled pretty firmly into "second console" territory. People don't just have a Switch, generally, they have "a Switch AND-". Seems a touch bold, adding a premium in that position.
I expect they'll still get record profits when all's said and done, but it sure feels like we're being priced out of *leisure*, of all things.
Evidently my priorities are different from most other Gamers'. I know this because a good chunk of my current-gen favorite games are on a $200 handheld with a black and white, non-backlit screen. Ohhh man is Angel Pop cool!
I get $80-90 being too much for a lot of people, even if I can rationalize endlessly. It's dangerously close to $100, which is very much an investment. That said, I see a lot of people online who say "Oh I guess Nintendo doesn't want my money" and then procede to buy every new Pokemon.
I like that actually, gives the little fellas their time to shine. Spike and the Sidestepper (the crab) are kino. I'd be more pissed if they added another baby character(s). Or, god forbid, more metal characters.
That simply isn't true. Companies are accountable to shareholders and the board of directors. They have to perform up to a certain level. They make promises to board members and those promises have to be met or shit goes down. I've seen it myself in the companies I've worked for.
That is just wishful thinking and it has nothing to do with reality. Its not like these tariffs are temporary, either. The market will readjust when they go away, I hope, but for now the companies will inevitably pass the costs to the consumer.
That is just a moral evaluation of free market capitalism and while I agree with you, it has nothing to do with real world actions.
1:) Except that's very true, it literally happens all the time. It happens every quarter for every business. These prices were decided within the last few months. Nintendo wasn't exactly failing horrendously before that either. This is literally "We do it because we can get away with it." Sort of thinking. I've seen this so many times, and trying to portray it as misinformation or wishful thinking when that's literally how most businesses work is kind of funny. Unless there's some difference in japanese businesses that force businesses to abide by their profit forecasts to a T.
This sort of response is especially ridiculous when you realize nintendo pretty much owns their entire pipeline too. They own the patents for their cartridges, they own the factories that produces them, they develop the games in house and it runs on their hardware. Nintendo's first party games should be CHEAPERcomparatively to third parties because they don't have to pay licensing fees or extra production costs.
2:) I said if. And not only that permanence wasn't my main sticking point there. I was pointing out that defending a company like this is pointless because even without the tariffs they're going to be price gouging. Like they did with Amiibo, like they did with the mini consoles, like they do with their bigger releases. Nintendo is the biggest threat to the second hand market right now.
3:) It's less a moral evaluation on free market capitalism in general and more on the specific businesses that charge customers to offload their needless and excessive costs on consumers and then lie to them and tell them that it's all they could do. There's nothing wrong with FM Capitalism when its properly regulated. The problem is nothing is properly regulated these days.
Maybe if we had more people educated in the system and understanding that tariffs shouldn't impact the market directly like that and more criticism around companies (and fanbases) that use that as an excuse for price gouging we would have a generally better market.
This is getting a bit long winded though so I dunno if I even wanna continue it here.
1:) Except that's very true, it literally happens all the time. It happens every quarter for every business. These prices were decided within the last few months. Nintendo wasn't exactly failing horrendously before that either. This is literally "We do it because we can get away with it." Sort of thinking. I've seen this so many times, and trying to portray it as misinformation or wishful thinking when that's literally how most businesses work is kind of funny. Unless there's some difference in japanese businesses that force businesses to abide by their profit forecasts to a T.
Oh they don't need to abide to their profit forecasts to a T, but they do have to take actions that would lead to meeting those profit forecasts. If there is a new expense introduced into their production pipeline they will adjust to compensate for it. But to say there's no consequence to failing to hit the profit margins is silly. It might not be big consequences, but there are layoffs, restructures, you name it. It also depends on their long term plans vs short term profit expectations. They might take Ls in the short term if it fits a long term plan.
This sort of response is especially ridiculous when you realize nintendo pretty much owns their entire pipeline too. They own the patents for their cartridges, they own the factories that produces them, they develop the games in house and it runs on their hardware. Nintendo's first party games should be CHEAPERcomparatively to third parties because they don't have to pay licensing fees or extra production costs.
Maybe you have a case there. I'm not sure everything you are saying is true, though. They still have to pay for development teams like the rest of the game companies, plus they have to pay for hardware R&D teams to come up with all the gadgets they create. Those are additional expenses other game developers don't have to incur. And those engineers aren't cheap, you know.
2:) I said if. And not only that permanence wasn't my main sticking point there. I was pointing out that defending a company like this is pointless because even without the tariffs they're going to be price gouging. Like they did with Amiibo, like they did with the mini consoles, like they do with their bigger releases. Nintendo is the biggest threat to the second hand market right now.
3:) It's less a moral evaluation on free market capitalism in general and more on the specific businesses that charge customers to offload their needless and excessive costs on consumers and then lie to them and tell them that it's all they could do. There's nothing wrong with FM Capitalism when its properly regulated. The problem is nothing is properly regulated these days.
It isn't free market if it is heavily regulated. The lowering of prices is predicated on competition. If Nintendo raises their prices enough, people should move to their competitors. They've made a gambit that their prices are still low enough for that to not be an issue.
Maybe if we had more people educated in the system and understanding that tariffs shouldn't impact the market directly like that and more criticism around companies (and fanbases) that use that as an excuse for price gouging we would have a generally better market.
I'm the last person that should be called a Nintendo fanboy. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying from a philosophical point of view. That doesn't mean that I believe companies share your point of view.
Also, price gouging only applies to essential goods to survival, like groceries or gas. Nintendo doesn't sell any essential products.
that's actually a very j- very smart move by them
they KNEW nintendo fans will buy 1st-party game like zelda and mario kart for $100 even
and I believe 3rd-party games will be $70 (sadly as usual) and less than that for indies
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