Switch $80 MSRP For Mario Kart World

[iamthemilkman]

Unless the console does bad in sales I highly doubt it sadly.

I remember the Wii U did bad and they never dropped the price from $299, just let it die. Nintendo can be incredibly stubborn. And you know what stinks? Nintendo games rarely go on sale. If they do, it's generally $10-$20 off at most off select games. So you'll still be paying a lot for older games when they go on sale around the holidays.

 

[GobloonKing]

I don't know where you got that idea, but it is patently wrong. Companies have their profit margins to uphold and any additional expense either gets passed down to the consumer or requires some cuts in other parts of their business, i.e. firing workers. Either way, the common people will feel it.

Profit margins can easily be shifted and adjusted.

Again, the company is saying their pipeline is literally PERFECT and there's no room to save. They can't cut upper management raises, they can't cut yearly bonuses, they can't just shave a few million off their BILLION dollar income that year. I get that companies expect profits, but at the same time they can plan just as well as anyone else can for a rainy day and it's absurd to give them the benefit of the doubt when they don't do the same for consumers.

The idea of endless growth is absurd and morally wrong. Every company can't endlessly grow, year after year. It's pure greed when the end consumer is shouldered with the burden of holding up a company, especially one like nintendo,

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

Profit margins can easily be shifted and adjusted.

That simply isn't true. Companies are accountable to shareholders and the board of directors. They have to perform up to a certain level. They make promises to board members and those promises have to be met or shit goes down. I've seen it myself in the companies I've worked for.

Again, the company is saying their pipeline is literally PERFECT and there's no room to save. They can't cut upper management raises, they can't cut yearly bonuses, they can't just shave a few million off their BILLION dollar income that year. I get that companies expect profits, but at the same time they can plan just as well as anyone else can for a rainy day and it's absurd to give them the benefit of the doubt when they don't do the same for consumers.

That is just wishful thinking and it has nothing to do with reality. Its not like these tariffs are temporary, either. The market will readjust when they go away, I hope, but for now the companies will inevitably pass the costs to the consumer.

The idea of endless growth is absurd and morally wrong. Every company can't endlessly grow, year after year. It's pure greed when the end consumer is shouldered with the burden of holding up a company, especially one like nintendo,

That is just a moral evaluation of free market capitalism and while I agree with you, it has nothing to do with real world actions.

 

[fake-kun]

This thread is starting to get dangerously close to breaking the no-politics rule.

 

[Abecero]

The majority of their games already weren't worth the price they were asking during the first switch, 60-70 bucks, they sure as hell aren't worth a 10-20 extra more.
Rather than waste 500 or something moolah for what will again be an underpowered and overpriced console, I'd use that money to finally upgrade my PC and play said switch 2 games on the eventual emulator that will show up.

Not that I probably will either upgrade my PC nor emulate their games tbh, most of what I'm interested with is retro games or games that don't need all that much in terms of hardware in the first place.

 

[Antilocal123]

Yeahhhh but people will buy it anyway lol it’s Nintendo

 

[snes9x]

Regardless of differences I think we can all agree that retro chads stay winning.

 

[Evaccaneer Doom]

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Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

$80 is the price of buying both Pokemon Sun & Moon, no thank you

 

[Tonberry]

$80 is the price of buying both Pokemon Sun & Moon, no thank you

I still feel like they should have paid me for playing those.

 

[cjl8336]

Economics isn't necessarily political although policies can and do influence it
That was just an analysis of why profit margins can't just "easily be adjusted" - public traded companies have to answer to the shareholders and all those shareholders want is for their shares to increase in value

net income divided by revenue gets your profit margin - net income is the money left after subtracting all your expenses like cost of goods sold from your revenue, which is subject to fluctuation thanks to things like changes in raw material cost, taxes, tariffs, et cetera

it just can't be adjusted by changing numbers

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

Economics isn't necessarily political although policies can and do influence it
That was just an analysis of why profit margins can't just "easily be adjusted" - public traded companies have to answer to the shareholders and all those shareholders want is for their shares to increase in value

net income divided by revenue gets your profit margin - net income is the money left after subtracting all your expenses like cost of goods sold from your revenue, which is subject to fluctuation thanks to things like changes in raw material cost, taxes, tariffs, et cetera

it just can't be adjusted by changing numbers

Right, I mean everything can be construed to be politics so Fake isn't completely wrong. But if we shut down every conversation that veers close to it, all we are left to talk about is our favorite colors. Well, and even colors have been politicized, so maybe even that is not allowable speech.

 

[fake-kun]

Right, I mean everything can be construed to be politics so Fake isn't completely wrong. But if we shut down every conversation that veers close to it, all we are left to talk about is our favorite colors. Well, and even colors have been politicized, so maybe even that is not allowable speech.

I agree with you in general, but... I don't know how to say it without coming off as rude, but I don't think this forum can support conversations like this without them inevitably turning into a political slap fight.

 

[cjl8336]

yes people do like to get slappy over certain subjects - I have no interest in Nintendon't (at least in the give-them-my-money sense) - they could release every game ever made in 4K ray tracing funky mode and it just doesn't give me that same feeling of awe and excitement when they announce something new

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

I agree with you in general, but... I don't know how to say it without coming off as rude, but I don't think this forum can support conversations like this without them inevitably sliding into a political slap fight.

Right, but if the alternative is letting misinformation slide through, I prefer to take the risk. If that gets me in trouble, so be it. If this site is so political adverse that we have to let statements that I believe are incorrect stand, then I recommend the mods ban me. I wouldn't even take it personally, its just not a place for me.

 

[Tonberry]

Right, but if the alternative is letting misinformation slide through, I prefer to take the risk. If that gets me in trouble, so be it. If this site is so political adverse, that we have to let statements that I believe are incorrect stand, then I recommend the mods ban me. I wouldn't even take it personally, its just not a place for me.

I think you guys’ discussion is fine and civil, and fits the context of the thread.

 

[fake-kun]

Right, but if the alternative is letting misinformation slide through, I prefer to take the risk. If that gets me in trouble, so be it. If this site is so political adverse,that we have to let statements that I believe are incorrect stand, then I recommend the mods ban me. I wouldn't even take it personally, its just not a place for me.

Fair enough. I'm probably just being overly cautious.

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

Fair enough. I'm probably just being overly cautious.

I don't think you necessarily are overtly cautious but at the same time threads going to shit is inevitable on the internet, no matter how a-political you try to be. I had a favorite books thread that was pretty innocuous and I got baited into a political discussion I didn't want to have. Icaro had a seemingly a-political Favorite Trans Characters topic and got attacked by trolls. It's going to happen no matter how hard you try, that's why we have mods.

Edit: I did like your approach @fake-kun in one thread where you said your statement wasn't an invitation for discussion. That's a good approach to be not be baited into a long off-topic back and forth. I need to try something like that going forward.

 

[snes9x]

This is news to me. The most fruitful dialectics I have on Palestine are always in retro gaming forums

 

[Naosuke]

The topic will be politicized no matter what, that's the truth. I'm not American, so I could care less to what is happening there, but I tend to see people who always jump to the "it's tariffs fault", are either Americans, or overly invested in it's politics. Back on the topic, that's 100% on Nintendo, and they're pulling a Take2 from 2020. If the physical only were higher, sure, maybe it could've the benefit of the doubt, but they're not pulling that from nowhere. You just need to look at how they priced Tears of the Kingdom, and how a lot of people actually defended it. The got away with it, and they will do once again. The fact physical will be another $10 on top of that, is just another middle finger telling you to buy on the eshop instead of your store of choice.

In all honestly, the times of homogeneous pricing of MSRP are done I think. People will pay $100 to pay GTA VI, people may pay $80 for something released by EA, but I doubt people will be lining up to pay even $80 for whatever Marvelous or Nippon Ichi is publishing next. But there's also the psychology of pricing in all that, so it gets even complicated, which sort of makes me doubts if my own thoughts could be wrong...

And the cherry on top, that's sort of an "first world" look, when you go to places which are poorer, but they aren't total poverty, it gets even more complicated. But from experience being in one of those poorer places, the price increase to $70 didn't help any bit, and I see less and less people getting games on release, and being more critical of what they buy.

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

The topic will be politicized no matter what, that's the truth. I'm not American, so I could care less to what is happening there, but I tend to see people who always jump to the "it's tariffs fault", are either Americans, or overly invested in it's politics. Back on the topic, that's 100% on Nintendo, and they're pulling a Take2 from 2020. If the physical only were higher, sure, maybe it could've the benefit of the doubt, but they're not pulling that from nowhere. You just need to look at how they priced Tears of the Kingdom, and how a lot of people actually defended it. The got away with it, and they will do once again. The fact physical will be another $10 on top of that, is just another middle finger telling you to buy on the eshop instead of your store of choice.

Well, we will never know the exact reasoning for it, unless we have sources at Nintendo. It is entirely possible that Nintendo had planned this for months. But I provided a reason why it could be a factor. Americans are a significant audience for popular Japanese consoles, especially Nintendo consoles. To think the American market has no effect on Nintendo's decision making is naive.

 

[Jeff]

Welcome to 1995 when cartridges cost from $59.99-$79.99. I was there and couldn't afford all of those great SNES and Gameboy games until I beg my parents that if I do good at shcool, I get that expensive game I want.

 

[snes9x]

I'm genuinely curious to see how GTA6's pricing works out, assuming they price it over $70. No way would I cough up $100, nor would I for any game (even for my most cherished franchises). I think there'd be enough backlash to cut into its sales in a major way, but at the same time it's kind of a frog in boiling water situation.

 

[ThirteeTooBeets]

What the hell is their problem???

 

[Strategist's iconStrategist]

Welcome to 1995 when cartridges cost from $59.99-$79.99. I was there and couldn't afford all of those great SNES and Gameboy games until I beg my parents that if I do good at shcool, I get that expensive game I want.

Chrono Trigger cost my parents 89.99 dollars at the local Toys R'Us. I don't know if that was Toys R'Us overcharging on products, the additional prices of importing to Puerto Rico, or if that was the price in the US, but that is the highest price I've seen for a single game at launch.

 

[snes9x]

Phantasy Star IV and Virtua Racing were both $100 if I remember correctly