PS5 Why the PS5 is the worst PlayStation ever

[Lena CE]

Mod it & then you can have more for what you paid for. I remember the classic console with a serial port behind it to use pro action replay to boot cd-r backups.

If we allow modding to enter the discussion, then the PS5 will inevitably trounce the PS Classic. As with any console it will one day become easily moddable and homebrew will blow the doors off the thing.

 

[nobitakun]

my PS5 is my updated PS4. i have an 8TB extranal drive plugged in one of USB slots. so i can play all of my PS4 games on it.

You can play all of them as long as you insert the disc every time. It's not like you have all of them there and you can swap from one to another whenever you want from the comfort of your couch.

I don't know, I wouldn't buy a PS5 just to update my PS4, it's like buying a PS5 Pro to update my PS5, kind of waste of money. Sure, there are games that are current gen exclusives, but I would buy those and wait for a PS6 to play them.

 

[DJPlace]

You can play all of them as long as you insert the disc every time. It's not like you have all of them there and you can swap from one to another whenever you want from the comfort of your couch.

I don't know, I wouldn't buy a PS5 just to update my PS4, it's like buying a PS5 Pro to update my PS5, kind of waste of money. Sure, there are games that are current gen exclusives, but I would buy those and wait for a PS6 to play them.

forget to say the other reason i did this is cause there's no USB ports in the back of the system also there were only PS5 only games that were out also. but i'm only a digital collecter. so it's fine in my book.

 

[nobitakun]

forget to say the other reason i did this is cause there's no USB ports in the back of the system also there were only PS5 only games that were out also. but i'm only a digital collecter. so it's fine in my book.

Well, both reasons are not true, because PS4 Pro also has a USB port on the back. And I believe you already know you can connect a 8TB HDD on the back port and play games from there as well, although if your drive is 8TB I am guessing it's a mechanical 3.5" drive that requires external power supply. Maybe you spent a lot of money on a 8TB SSD, who knows, but I don't think that would be wise now just for storing tons of PS4 games at once :)

 

[Pearly]

It's my personal PS4 machine, i have a lot of PS5 games on it. but ive been chipping away at my PS3 and PS4 catalogue.
There are some games that run better on PS4 compared to PS5, so i keep my PS4 alive for now.

This!

I had a ps4 pro that sounded like a jet engine, I can now play my ps4 games in utter silence on my PS5. It's the best ps4 on the market if you're playing it solely for that even, almost outside of the sparse few games with compatibility issues. For me it was a win to get a ps5 compared to my ps4 pro.

In general, it's my favourite PlayStation since the ps2 due to how many games I have on it and that controller is easily sony's best effort at a controller, also it is my favourite controller in general.

Also the haptic feedback cannot be overstated with how amazing it is in a game that utilizes it, like stellar blade and the rain drops in the first proper area, eidos 9, they can be felt hitting Eve's body.

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It's a pretty nice console, very smooth compared to Xbox Series X. I've had a great time with it and since I can play my PS4 backlog I have gotten some good time on it. Currently playing TloU2 and it looks fantastic now, it was very blurry on PS4.

you are probably too young to remember the PS3 on launch, that piece of crap was awful even when it got games it was a pain in the ass to deal with. We've come a long way from that.

The ps3 was garbage in quite a few ways, I have mine modded and use it for ps3 and ps2 games mostly, but genuinely I hated that generation, most games ran like crap and has severe screen tearing and frame rate issues. It was better both before and after that gen.

The armored core 4 was my launch title of choice, still a great game though along with 4 answer

 

[DJPlace]

Well, both reasons are not true, because PS4 Pro also has a USB port on the back. And I believe you already know you can connect a 8TB HDD on the back port and play games from there as well, although if your drive is 8TB I am guessing it's a mechanical 3.5" drive that requires external power supply. Maybe you spent a lot of money on a 8TB SSD, who knows, but I don't think that would be wise now just for storing tons of PS4 games at once :)

i looked at the back of my friends PS4 PRO and it did not have a back USB port. also i only payed 150 for 8TB. if i could update my PS5 drive i would for PS5 games but it's like almost 1000 dollars for the size i want. also i have 6TB used out of my 8TB drive full of games.

 

[moonbits]

The PS5 is still better than the Xbox Series X?

Depends on what you are looking for. It is cheaper to me; but the operating system is a bit clunky and prone to errors (taking a screenshot on Xbox stutters the entire game for a second, it's ridiculous) but it has more features. For example, VRR is built in natively while PS5s is per game. Discord on Xbox is more feature rich and you can even stream. PS5 has better HDR than Xbox's Dolby Vision and much better audio than what's available in Series X (Even if you get the Dolby Atmos plugin). I usually use my Audio Technica m40x with my Series X, the audio quality is fine but the Pulse Elite on PS5 is really really good I'm honestly amazed at the quality given the price.

PS5 has a more stable OS, User interface and overall gaming experience is hassle free, more Japanese games if that's your thing but it's a more expensive console overall. For example, even in Mexico the prices are in dollars so conversions fuck you up regardless; while Xbox has localized prices and it's cheaper overall.

I prefer the PS5 because of the audio/visual fidelity and the dual sense but I have my Series X for game pass and to play some multi platform games with my friends on PC.

 

[Kamako]

I've stuck with Playstation for every console release except the PS3. The PS5 is one of the worst large purchases I've ever made. I think I'll just stick to PC and handhelds for the time being now.

 

[nobitakun]

i looked at the back of my friends PS4 PRO and it did not have a back USB port. also i only payed 150 for 8TB. if i could update my PS5 drive i would for PS5 games but it's like almost 1000 dollars for the size i want. also i have 6TB used out of my 8TB drive full of games.

Every PS4 Pro has a back USB:

If you paid 150€ for 8TB that's defenitely HDD, so you have to use external AC as well. I absolutely don't recommend to use any mechanical disk for PS4, you will get way faster loading times and assets if you swap that disk to a SSD. But I guess you prioritize size over speed, so to each its own :)

But you're not entitled to upgrade your PS5 drive to the size you want, the limit is placed by Sony. Even if you wanted, you couldn't. I believe the limit on PS5 is also 8TB, and 8TB NVMe disks are around 500€ nowadays.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

I've stuck with Playstation for every console release except the PS3. The PS5 is one of the worst large purchases I've ever made. I think I'll just stick to PC and handhelds for the time being now.

The mistake was skipping PS3 and going straight to PS4 then PS5. I had my PS3 for the entire PS4 gen and finally bought the PS5 for PS4 games. I waited for the PS4Pro but by then the PS5 came out.

 

[moonbits]

Skipping the PS3, no wonder he they think the PS5 is horrible. They never experienced the true power of the Cell processor.

 

[Lena CE]

You can play all of them as long as you insert the disc every time. It's not like you have all of them there and you can swap from one to another whenever you want from the comfort of your couch.

I don't know, I wouldn't buy a PS5 just to update my PS4, it's like buying a PS5 Pro to update my PS5, kind of waste of money. Sure, there are games that are current gen exclusives, but I would buy those and wait for a PS6 to play them.

It's no different than just buying a new graphics card or processor for a PC though. You want to play cross-gen games in the best way possible, so you spend $500 every 7 years to keep yourself from having to run current higher end games on the lower settings or at worse resolutions/framerates. In the act of upgrading you also get to play your existing library with faster load times, higher resolutions and higher framerates as well.

When backwards compatibility doesn't exist, the act of upgrading for anything but exclusives is silly. When you do have backwards compatibility though the act of upgrading just to play your existing library better on top of stuff you can only get on newer hardware makes a lot more sense.

Of course, we're still missing true BC for PS1 thru PS3, but still. The difference between buying a PS5 as a PS4 upgrade and a PS5 Pro as a PS5 upgrade is massive. PS5 Pro is extremely incremental. No access to new software, no meaningful bump in performance unless you specifically game in 4k and it costs $200 more than a PS5 (more in most regions).

You also say "insert the disc everytime" as if most people aren't accruing digital libraries. Besides, in an age where most big budget games are 60-100gb large, you still need to spend the money on the hard drive to store them all lest you deal with installation and download wait times with a portion of your library.

 

[Kamako]

The mistake was skipping PS3 and going straight to PS4 then PS5. I had my PS3 for the entire PS4 gen and finally bought the PS5 for PS4 games. I waited for the PS4Pro but by then the PS5 came out.

I get where you're coming from, but getting an Xbox 360 instead of a PS3 definitely didn't feel like a mistake at the time. Also, the PS4 is an INCREDIBLE console. If not for the heatsink issues, it was pretty much everything I wanted it to be and then some. The PS5 just feels like a regression in many respects. For me personally, anyways.

 

[nobitakun]

It's no different than just buying a new graphics card or processor for a PC though. You want to play cross-gen games in the best way possible, so you spend $500 every 7 years to keep yourself from having to run current higher end games on the lower settings or at worse resolutions/framerates. In the act of upgrading you also get to play your existing library with faster load times, higher resolutions and higher framerates as well.

When backwards compatibility doesn't exist, the act of upgrading for anything but exclusives is silly. When you do have backwards compatibility though the act of upgrading just to play your existing library better on top of stuff you can only get on newer hardware makes a lot more sense.

Of course, we're still missing true BC for PS1 thru PS3, but still. The difference between buying a PS5 as a PS4 upgrade and a PS5 Pro as a PS5 upgrade is massive. PS5 Pro is extremely incremental. No access to new software, no meaningful bump in performance unless you specifically game in 4k and it costs $200 more than a PS5 (more in most regions).

You also say "insert the disc everytime" as if most people aren't accruing digital libraries. Besides, in an age where most big budget games are 60-100gb large, you still need to spend the money on the hard drive to store them all lest you deal with installation and download wait times with a portion of your library.

Yes and no. You're talking like PC would be something as closed as a console, and it's far from that. With PC you can get a second hand GPU for cheap, tweak the settings in the game and play more or less the way you want. I mean, I can buy a second hand GPU for 120€ that can run every single videogame at 1080p, because I choose to play 1080p without FSR crap, everything native.

In other hand, a second hand PS5 costs around 300€ with drive, and Sony does not allow me to play 1080p, they force games to run at a specific resolution regardless of your TV setup or what you want, so you have crappy performance because the console stubbornly wants to run the game at the highest resolution possible, no matter the framerate.

But back to the topic, backwards compatibility is a plus, of course, and in this gen is a must. But I am sorry, I don't buy that "massive" upgrade of a PS5 Pro. I don't even buy the PS5 as a PS4 upgrade for the very reason that this generation has been a mess and new consoles had to face new graphical crap that they couldn't handle in a proper way, not even PS5 Pro. It's the first time a gen runs games at a lower resolution than the previous gen, just for the stupid sake of implementing new stuff nobody requested and it was not needed, because people want to play and have fun. The only games that I saw that run well on a PS5 are the ones that are ports of PS4 games being released a while ago.

And I know, every generation had games that ran like crap, it's not only PS5, but this time is way worse than the others. PS3 had some games running at 540p when the console was advertised as 720p gaming, PS4 had some games running at 900p when the console was advertised as 1080p gaming, but PS5 has some games going as low as 720p which is lower than the resolution most PS4 games run. That is inconceivable when the hardware is advertised as 2160p gaming. Even PS5 Pro can't render most games 1440p native. If you don't mind FSR or other AI upscaling crap, good for you, but I want a clear image without artifacts even when everything is moving very fast.

So, at the end of the day, I prefer PS4 because it's been a much more well rounded console that was released without too much pretemptious thinking.

But I support the idea of using a PS5 for playing PS4 games, as well as using a PS4 Pro. If that helps to run games better, it's always welcome, but as PS4 Pro costs half the price of a Base PS5 second hand, I would choose PS4 Pro any day.

And regarding the digital library thing, you're bringing an scenario that is not true. Most of the people do not have big digital libraries for the same reason they buy the games physically. Digital games are still not the thing on consoles, and they won't be in a lot of time, and PC is helping on that. At least PS6 will have built-in disc because they've learnt from the stupid move they did with PS5.

 

[Ikagura Ikagura]

Okay, the PSP Go was the worst iteration of the PSP because it was digital only.

I don't care if digital gaming has become the norm but I hate that the PS5 Pro is digital only by default and how discs are now barely containing any data on them...

 

[Lena CE]

Yes and no. You're talking like PC would be something as closed as a console, and it's far from that. With PC you can get a second hand GPU for cheap, tweak the settings in the game and play more or less the way you want. I mean, I can buy a second hand GPU for 120€ that can run every single videogame at 1080p, because I choose to play 1080p without FSR crap, everything native.

In other hand, a second hand PS5 costs around 300€ with drive, and Sony does not allow me to play 1080p, they force games to run at a specific resolution regardless of your TV setup or what you want, so you have crappy performance because the console stubbornly wants to run the game at the highest resolution possible, no matter the framerate.

But back to the topic, backwards compatibility is a plus, of course, and in this gen is a must. But I am sorry, I don't buy that "massive" upgrade of a PS5 Pro. I don't even buy the PS5 as a PS4 upgrade for the very reason that this generation has been a mess and new consoles had to face new graphical crap that they couldn't handle in a proper way, not even PS5 Pro. It's the first time a gen runs games at a lower resolution than the previous gen, just for the stupid sake of implementing new stuff nobody requested and it was not needed, because people want to play and have fun. The only games that I saw that run well on a PS5 are the ones that are ports of PS4 games being released a while ago.

And I know, every generation had games that ran like crap, it's not only PS5, but this time is way worse than the others. PS3 had some games running at 540p when the console was advertised as 720p gaming, PS4 had some games running at 900p when the console was advertised as 1080p gaming, but PS5 has some games going as low as 720p which is lower than the resolution most PS4 games run. That is inconceivable when the hardware is advertised as 2160p gaming. Even PS5 Pro can't render most games 1440p native. If you don't mind FSR or other AI upscaling crap, good for you, but I want a clear image without artifacts even when everything is moving very fast.

So, at the end of the day, I prefer PS4 because it's been a much more well rounded console that was released without too much pretemptious thinking.

But I support the idea of using a PS5 for playing PS4 games, as well as using a PS4 Pro. If that helps to run games better, it's always welcome, but as PS4 Pro costs half the price of a Base PS5 second hand, I would choose PS4 Pro any day.

And regarding the digital library thing, you're bringing an scenario that is not true. Most of the people do not have big digital libraries for the same reason they buy the games physically. Digital games are still not the thing on consoles, and they won't be in a lot of time, and PC is helping on that. At least PS6 will have built-in disc because they've learnt from the stupid move they did with PS5.

I got my PS5 secondhand for $200, whats your point? I choose to run my PS5 games in performance mode so they target roughly 1080p at higher framerates cause I only have a 1080p monitor, what's your point? I don't think I've played a PS5 game that doesn't manage to hit 60fps in performance mode. I'm sure they exist, but the vast majority look and play great. Many PS4 games also let you run at beyond 60fps if they have next-gen patches, tho mileage varies. Nioh and Nioh 2 run at a near 120fps while RE2R and RE2R hover around 100-110.

I never said the PS5 Pro was a massive upgrade, I said it was incremental over the PS5 so idk what you want from me there. The base PS5 itself is a pretty steep upgrade from the base PS4 tho, that's what I said. Of course you disagree with it either way, but I'm just clarfiying my stance.

You say that PS5 games run at lower resolutions, but I just don't think thats true in the vast majority of cases. Rarely did the base PS4 manage to output games at true 1080p, most studios were not Naughty Dog after all. On PS5 I struggle to think of many games that run below 1080p outside of rare instances. Sure, in the performance mode of some games you can see games like Lords of the Fallen dipping low temporarily for a couple parts of the game

Whats the point of hammering on about AI upscaling and frame gen on PS5 when PC games are just as if not even more reliant on the same solutions. Its not a PS5/console issue its just an industry issue. You can choose to just not have access to those games at all if you don't upgrade your console or PC to be able to play them, but that's not really a solution its just giving up.

I admit I don't buy a lot of new AAA games so maybe this really is a scourge and I don't recognize it, but I can't think of a single game I have bought that was locked to 30fps or ran at sub-1080p for most of its runtime. Meanwhile on PS4 it felt like a coin flip on if a game targeted 60fps or not. At least now, even if a game can't hit a fully stable 60fps I have the option to forgo resolution to get some extra frames.

For my money and use cases the PS5 does exactly what I want my games to do on any platform. I struggle to think of why I'd want a PS4 over a PS5 if I had the option and the $100-200 price difference wasn't a huge factor. Even when viewed as cynically as possible is just a straight upgrade to the PS4 thanks to backwards compatibility. Again, your PS4 games will all benefit from it even if only in minor ways (saving 10-15 seconds on Bloodborne load times adds up when you pvp a lot for example) and you have access to software not released on or poorly optimized for PS4.

In the United States I can sell a PS4 for like $100 and buy a PS5 used for $200-300. For $100-200 you get a really solid upgrade and I can't rly understand an argument against doing it if you care about upgrading in the first place. At least you keep your library unlike when people sold their PS3 to PS4 or PS2 to non-OG PS3.

PS4 Pro's go for about $150 around here so I guess you can save $100-150 by going for a Pro. But if you're a 1080p gamer then most of the PS4 game upgrades will be meaningless for you and you still won't have any access to next-gen only games so idk why you'd upgrade at all. From what I recall, PS4 Pro upgrades didnt even take games from 30 to 60fps or anything, it was almost always just resolution bumps and maybe a more stable framerate (ie unstable 30 might become a stable 30). PS5 unlocks an entire generation of games - not just exclusives - whilst giving more substantial upgrades to PS4 games that even 1080p users can benefit from. Whether thats worth the extea $50-150 that you'd pay for a PS4 Pro is up to the user, but if you game at 1080p the Pro is a middling investment imo and you should just get a base model.

Also I don't know why you don't think people don't have digital libraries. It is true that most console game sales are still physical but the roughly 50m people subscribed to PS+ accrue 2-3 games every month they ate subscribed. I buy maybe 1 or 2 digital PS5 games a year but just from PS+ games accrued over 10+ years of being a subscriber I have hundreds of games in my digital library. It isn't hard to imagine the average user having a handful of digital games even if they arent a subscriber especially when some games like Fortnite and CoD Warzone are so popular and digital-only. And again the main point is that whether physical or digital you still need a lot of storage space for the game regardless. The games dont play primarily from the disc anymore (if at all), it ends up on the hard drive regardless.

 

[nobitakun]

I got my PS5 secondhand for $200, whats your point? I choose to run my PS5 games in performance mode so they target roughly 1080p at higher framerates cause I only have a 1080p monitor, what's your point? I don't think I've played a PS5 game that doesn't manage to hit 60fps in performance mode. I'm sure they exist, but the vast majority look and play great. Many PS4 games also let you run at beyond 60fps if they have next-gen patches, tho mileage varies. Nioh and Nioh 2 run at a near 120fps while RE2R and RE2R hover around 100-110.

I never said the PS5 Pro was a massive upgrade, I said it was incremental over the PS5 so idk what you want from me there. The base PS5 itself is a pretty steep upgrade from the base PS4 tho, that's what I said. Of course you disagree with it either way, but I'm just clarfiying my stance.

You say that PS5 games run at lower resolutions, but I just don't think thats true in the vast majority of cases. Rarely did the base PS4 manage to output games at true 1080p, most studios were not Naughty Dog after all. On PS5 I struggle to think of many games that run below 1080p outside of rare instances. Sure, in the performance mode of some games you can see games like Lords of the Fallen dipping low temporarily for a couple parts of the game

Whats the point of hammering on about AI upscaling and frame gen on PS5 when PC games are just as if not even more reliant on the same solutions. Its not a PS5/console issue its just an industry issue. You can choose to just not have access to those games at all if you don't upgrade your console or PC to be able to play them, but that's not really a solution its just giving up.

I admit I don't buy a lot of new AAA games so maybe this really is a scourge and I don't recognize it, but I can't think of a single game I have bought that was locked to 30fps or ran at sub-1080p for most of its runtime. Meanwhile on PS4 it felt like a coin flip on if a game targeted 60fps or not. At least now, even if a game can't hit a fully stable 60fps I have the option to forgo resolution to get some extra frames.

For my money and use cases the PS5 does exactly what I want my games to do on any platform. I struggle to think of why I'd want a PS4 over a PS5 if I had the option and the $100-200 price difference wasn't a huge factor. Even when viewed as cynically as possible is just a straight upgrade to the PS4 thanks to backwards compatibility. Again, your PS4 games will all benefit from it even if only in minor ways (saving 10-15 seconds on Bloodborne load times adds up when you pvp a lot for example) and you have access to software not released on or poorly optimized for PS4.

In the United States I can sell a PS4 for like $100 and buy a PS5 used for $200-300. For $100-200 you get a really solid upgrade and I can't rly understand an argument against doing it if you care about upgrading in the first place. At least you keep your library unlike when people sold their PS3 to PS4 or PS2 to non-OG PS3.

PS4 Pro's go for about $150 around here so I guess you can save $100-150 by going for a Pro. But if you're a 1080p gamer then most of the PS4 game upgrades will be meaningless for you and you still won't have any access to next-gen only games so idk why you'd upgrade at all. From what I recall, PS4 Pro upgrades didnt even take games from 30 to 60fps or anything, it was almost always just resolution bumps and maybe a more stable framerate (ie unstable 30 might become a stable 30). PS5 unlocks an entire generation of games - not just exclusives - whilst giving more substantial upgrades to PS4 games that even 1080p users can benefit from. Whether thats worth the extea $50-150 that you'd pay for a PS4 Pro is up to the user, but if you game at 1080p the Pro is a middling investment imo and you should just get a base model.

Also I don't know why you don't think people don't have digital libraries. It is true that most console game sales are still physical but the roughly 50m people subscribed to PS+ accrue 2-3 games every month they ate subscribed. I buy maybe 1 or 2 digital PS5 games a year but just from PS+ games accrued over 10+ years of being a subscriber I have hundreds of games in my digital library. It isn't hard to imagine the average user having a handful of digital games even if they arent a subscriber especially when some games like Fortnite and CoD Warzone are so popular and digital-only. And again the main point is that whether physical or digital you still need a lot of storage space for the game regardless. The games dont play primarily from the disc anymore (if at all), it ends up on the hard drive regardless.

Well, in here the difference is 200€ or even more. I can get a PS4 Pro for 120€, but a PS5 with drive is around 320-350€. And for PS4 games, the difference is not very big playing in both.

You're right you can have higher framerates with less resolution, but the point is that a machine that was advertised as a 2160p gaming console in reality is a 1080p one. And no, 95% of PS4 games run at 1080p because games didn't have to deal with tons of crap like they have now, and that's the reason they are "poorly optimised" as you say. Comparing to the expected resolution of PS5, it's like most of PS4 games ran at 540p, and at that resolution 99% of them would run 60fps (performance mode equivalent). So, that mode isn't magic, it's just something PS4 base didn't have software wise.

If many games in PS4 could hit 45~60fps at 1080p, Resident Evil 2 Remake being one, now that you bring it as an example, no wonder it could hit over 100fps on PS5, I would be really worried if it didn't.
Also, I am tired of people comparing loading times between PS4 and PS5 when they don't use SSD's on a PS4. If you compare Bloodborne loading times from a PS4 (base or Pro) SSD and PS5, the difference is very little, so that's not a valid point.

You can get some info on the games here:

PS5 Games Tech Details - Resolution, Frame Rate, Backwards Compatibility, and more

PS Classics Games Emulator PS1 PS2 PSP Aeterna Noctis AEW Fight Forever Agent Intercept AK-xolotl Alan Wake Remastered Alan Wake 2 Aliens Fireteam Elite Among Us Anno 1800 Apex Legends Aragami 2 Arcade Paradise Arcadegeddon Armored Core VI Fires of Rubicon The...

www.resetera.com

You will see how many PS4 games run at 1080p and how many PS5 games run at 2160p. And as an extra, you will see how little is the gain between the enhancements of PS4 Pro and PS5.

And by the way, as most of the PS5 games run ~1080p in performance mode, playing on a 1080p big TV you usually get better image quality than using a 2160p TV, even if there is FSR involved. I have tested it with a few TV's and a few games, so my premise stands, PS5 is a 1080p console, and I am not spending the 200€ difference from a PS4 Pro to a PS5, not in this gen. I prefer to save that money for PS6, where the console will be a true 2160p gaming machine, with a few games being rendered at ~1800p.

Regarding digital libraries, it can be a neverending discussion, because it depends on the person. I know tons of people who have virtually zero digital games, and tons of people who have many digital games.

 

[Lena CE]

Well, in here the difference is 200€ or even more. I can get a PS4 Pro for 120€, but a PS5 with drive is around 320-350€. And for PS4 games, the difference is not very big playing in both.

You're right you can have higher framerates with less resolution, but the point is that a machine that was advertised as a 2160p gaming console in reality is a 1080p one. And no, 95% of PS4 games run at 1080p because games didn't have to deal with tons of crap like they have now, and that's the reason they are "poorly optimised" as you say. Comparing to the expected resolution of PS5, it's like most of PS4 games ran at 540p, and at that resolution 99% of them would run 60fps (performance mode equivalent). So, that mode isn't magic, it's just something PS4 base didn't have software wise.

If many games in PS4 could hit 45~60fps at 1080p, Resident Evil 2 Remake being one, now that you bring it as an example, no wonder it could hit over 100fps on PS5, I would be really worried if it didn't.
Also, I am tired of people comparing loading times between PS4 and PS5 when they don't use SSD's on a PS4. If you compare Bloodborne loading times from a PS4 (base or Pro) SSD and PS5, the difference is very little, so that's not a valid point.

You can get some info on the games here:

PS5 Games Tech Details - Resolution, Frame Rate, Backwards Compatibility, and more

PS Classics Games Emulator PS1 PS2 PSP Aeterna Noctis AEW Fight Forever Agent Intercept AK-xolotl Alan Wake Remastered Alan Wake 2 Aliens Fireteam Elite Among Us Anno 1800 Apex Legends Aragami 2 Arcade Paradise Arcadegeddon Armored Core VI Fires of Rubicon The...

www.resetera.com

You will see how many PS4 games run at 1080p and how many PS5 games run at 2160p. And as an extra, you will see how little is the gain between the enhancements of PS4 Pro and PS5.

And by the way, as most of the PS5 games run ~1080p in performance mode, playing on a 1080p big TV you usually get better image quality than using a 2160p TV, even if there is FSR involved. I have tested it with a few TV's and a few games, so my premise stands, PS5 is a 1080p console, and I am not spending the 200€ difference from a PS4 Pro to a PS5, not in this gen. I prefer to save that money for PS6, where the console will be a true 2160p gaming machine, with a few games being rendered at ~1800p.

Regarding digital libraries, it can be a neverending discussion, because it depends on the person. I know tons of people who have virtually zero digital games, and tons of people who have many digital games.

I appreciate the list just generally but scrolling down it is weird cause almost all of those games have resolution targets far above 1080p so I'm not sure what point its supposed to prove. Scrolling down to F and I would wager maybe 5% of the games listed so far have a target/average resolution of 1080p. Just doesn't seem like that widespread of an issue.

You can also tell me that stuff like load times aren't drastically improved but in my experience you save like 5-10 seconds per load screen which adds up when I am looking at potentially dozens of them an hour as a PvPer of the game.

Idk I think a lot of the statements made against it are hyperbolic. Good to know about the price differences in your region though cause that def makes the PS4 Pro look like more appealing.

Ultimately if you're a 1080p or 1440p gamer I don't think the lack of ultra-consistent 4k support is that big of a deal. Even amongst people I know who play games in 4k, a PS5 is a passable piece of hardware and even a PS5 Pro will be significantly cheaper than a PC rig capable of playing modern AAA games at 4k. If that's something you really care about, there's still a use case for the console. Still wouldn't recommend a Pro for the same reason I never recommended the PS4 Pro when it was at MSRP though.

Agree to disagree, ultimately. If you're a 1080p gamer like me and you don't really care about any games only available on next-gen and 30fps isn't a big deal for you in cross-gen titles then yea, going for a PS4 Pro makes some sense to save the $100. Ig if you're modding the system it makes even more sense too, given that the PS4 is obviously way further ahead in that regard.

But I still think - at the prices someone in my region can get both systems for anyways - the PS5 is a compelling enough upgrade to warrant the $50-100 it'll cost over a PS4 Pro. It'll play cross-gen games the best, play current-gen only games which grow in number by the year and also receive games for the next 10ish years whilst the PS4 will likely be finally phased out within the next few. Just hard to really imagine saving 2-3ish games worth of money on a system is worth the opportunity cost even if I were to agree that the performance bump in cross-gen/backwards compat games wasn't meaningful.

 

[nobitakun]

I appreciate the list just generally but scrolling down it is weird cause almost all of those games have resolution targets far above 1080p so I'm not sure what point its supposed to prove. Scrolling down to F and I would wager maybe 5% of the games listed so far have a target/average resolution of 1080p. Just doesn't seem like that widespread of an issue.

You can also tell me that stuff like load times aren't drastically improved but in my experience you save like 5-10 seconds per load screen which adds up when I am looking at potentially dozens of them an hour as a PvPer of the game.

Idk I think a lot of the statements made against it are hyperbolic. Good to know about the price differences in your region though cause that def makes the PS4 Pro look like more appealing.

Ultimately if you're a 1080p or 1440p gamer I don't think the lack of ultra-consistent 4k support is that big of a deal. Even amongst people I know who play games in 4k, a PS5 is a passable piece of hardware and even a PS5 Pro will be significantly cheaper than a PC rig capable of playing modern AAA games at 4k. If that's something you really care about, there's still a use case for the console. Still wouldn't recommend a Pro for the same reason I never recommended the PS4 Pro when it was at MSRP though.

Agree to disagree, ultimately. If you're a 1080p gamer like me and you don't really care about any games only available on next-gen and 30fps isn't a big deal for you in cross-gen titles then yea, going for a PS4 Pro makes some sense to save the $100. Ig if you're modding the system it makes even more sense too, given that the PS4 is obviously way further ahead in that regard.

But I still think - at the prices someone in my region can get both systems for anyways - the PS5 is a compelling enough upgrade to warrant the $50-100 it'll cost over a PS4 Pro. It'll play cross-gen games the best, play current-gen only games which grow in number by the year and also receive games for the next 10ish years whilst the PS4 will likely be finally phased out within the next few. Just hard to really imagine saving 2-3ish games worth of money on a system is worth the opportunity cost even if I were to agree that the performance bump in cross-gen/backwards compat games wasn't meaningful.

Well, the list was more to prove how many PS4 games run at the intended resolution of 1080p and how many PS5 games run at the intended 2160p resolution, regardless of what is meaningful or not. The advertising was clear for both platforms, and I hate companies lie to me like Sony did with the PS5, that's enough reason not to buy it. We can agree or disagree if my reasons are awkward, dumb or reasonable, but everyone is different :)

But even thinking differently, the issue of PS5 is the lack of exclusives, from PC and from PS4. It is the first time the current gen has such little impact regarding that, and you can blame developers for not focusin on PS5 instead of trying to get extra money releasing the game for PS4 as well. You also can blame Covid, but then don't look at Switch sales.

PS5 like you say is a good machine to play PS4 titles, and in some cases better to do so than the PS5 version of the game.

Anyways, this is the same story as always, people who bought a PS5 will defend it, same with PS5 Pro or any other thing they spent money on, because by people's logic buying a thing is the best move they could do. For me is different, I can buy consoles or other electronic stuff thinking they are mediocre or crap, but I pay money for them anyways because I want. It seems nonsense? well, it is not, I assure you :)

 

[Lena CE]

Anyways, this is the same story as always, people who bought a PS5 will defend it, same with PS5 Pro or any other thing they spent money on, because by people's logic buying a thing is the best move they could do. For me is different, I can buy consoles or other electronic stuff thinking they are mediocre or crap, but I pay money for them anyways because I want. It seems nonsense? well, it is not, I assure you :)

Fwiw I spent full MSRP on my PS4 and hated every cent I spent after the first year or so. Never regretted a purchase more, still my least fav Sony system pound for pound. Xbox Series S disappointed me so much I sold it within 3-4 months.

I dont think you're any more or less biased than others. If people are truly unhappy, they'll let you know lol

 

[Bomberman]

Ps4 is the worst one. PS4 barely felt like an upgrade over Ps3/360... Don't get me wrong it had some great games but did not come with as big improvements.

PS5 atleast has the SSD for fast loading times.
PS4 made you pay to play online too.

 

[nobitakun]

Fwiw I spent full MSRP on my PS4 and hated every cent I spent after the first year or so. Never regretted a purchase more, still my least fav Sony system pound for pound. Xbox Series S disappointed me so much I sold it within 3-4 months.

I dont think you're any more or less biased than others. If people are truly unhappy, they'll let you know lol

Well, you confirmed me we have so different tastes, because I consider Xbox Series S the best current gen console as it has everything I want from a console: small, attractive price, not pretemptious, powerful enough, low power consumption and you can do emulation officially. The only side down it has: digital only. That's why I didn't buy it, because I have virtually zero interest in digital stuff. And it's very tempting, because in here it's the opposite, you can find tons of them for 100-120€, same price as a PS4 Pro, because Europe usually does not care about Microsoft consoles.

Being said that, I don't see how we can agree regarding PS5 then :O.

Ps4 is the worst one. PS4 barely felt like an upgrade over Ps3/360... Don't get me wrong it had some great games but did not come with as big improvements.

PS5 atleast has the SSD for fast loading times.
PS4 made you pay to play online too.

Again. I don't acept comments about PS4 loading times when people do not use SSD's. Sony not putting one by defaut is not an excuse to consider HDD as the only option. Yes of course, PS5 loading times are faster because it uses NVMe, but as you say, for me that's the only improvement over PS4, because I also don't feel like PS5 graphics are like a big upgrade over PS4. And gen after gen the perception will be lower and lower, because of a rule I don't really want to explain here.

 

[Bomberman]

Well, you confirmed me we have so different tastes, because I consider Xbox Series S the best current gen console as it has everything I want from a console: small, attractive price, not pretemptious, powerful enough, low power consumption and you can do emulation officially. The only side down it has: digital only. That's why I didn't buy it, because I have virtually zero interest in digital stuff. And it's very tempting, because in here it's the opposite, you can find tons of them for 100-120€, same price as a PS4 Pro, because Europe usually does not care about Microsoft consoles.

Being said that, I don't see how we can agree regarding PS5 then :O.


Again. I don't acept comments about PS4 loading times when people do not use SSD's. Sony not putting one by defaut is not an excuse to consider HDD as the only option. Yes of course, PS5 loading times are faster because it uses NVMe, but as you say, for me that's the only improvement over PS4, because I also don't feel like PS5 graphics are like a big upgrade over PS4. And gen after gen the perception will be lower and lower, because of a rule I don't really want to explain here.

Only the PS4 pro could utilize a SSD properly. The base PS4 did not have the proper sata setup to fully utilize the Sata SSD if I remember correctly. Could you put one in? Sure but like the PS3 the improvments were marginal.

I know the rule of diminishing returns and I think most here do in that regard.

 

[nobitakun]

Only the PS4 pro could utilize a SSD properly. The base PS4 did not have the proper sata setup to fully utilize the Sata SSD if I remember correctly. Could you put one in? Sure but like the PS3 the improvments were marginal.

I know the rule of diminishing returns and I think most here do in that regard.

Base PS4 had SATA2, which means the SSD would be between 2-3 times faster than a mechanical HDD. But it's not only that, sustained transfer speed is just one of the advantages of SSD's, but the other that clearly goes to the top is the IOPS, which are the operations per second, and that parameter is, to put it simple, something that can have a huge impact in loading performance. A regular HDD has around 200 IOPS, depending on it's rotation speed (RPM), a mediocre SSD nowadays can have easily 50-60K, which is almost 300 times more. It is true that Sony nor the game devs created PS4 games to take full advantage of SSD's, but even so, games load much faster. In many games the loading times are almost halved, and in the worst cases you can have an improvement of 30-40% faster loading.

Even on PS3, the difference isn't marginal, for the last reason I've told you, the IOPS. I have tested also HDD and SSD in my PS3 Slim and Super Slim and there are games that can improve as little as 10-20%, but others can improve up to 40-50%, but not many. Anyways, even putting an SSD to a PS2 has improvements, not about loading games, but about loading assets such as game covers or other info that needs to be loaded as fast as possible. It also helps the PS2 to get cooler and reliability skyrockets as there are no moving parts such as the ones within HDD's.

 

[DjQuick2008]

Ive only just got a steam account i got a ps3 as well with tons of games my ps5 barely gets touched in summer due to the heat coming from the back of it and yes i do have a fan cooler attatched to the back itll be september and darker evenings before i start playing properly again