What tropes do you dislike the most?

When a large group of awful people who hate each other, insult each other, and all have different ultimate goals and motivations are suddenly best friends because the plot and dialogue demand it. I feel like this has been a thing since guardians of the galaxy where it kinda worked, but became progressively worse over time.
 
"Oh no I fell on a girl and touched her no-no zone and now she's maaaaad at me for a bit before getting over it." I just don't know what we're expected to get out of this. Humor I guess? A little bit of fanservice? It's just awkward and forced and stupid.

Bringing back dead characters, through revival or alternate dimensions or clones or whatever. It's especially annoying when it comes after a character's self sacrifice. It's an excellent way to make their sacrifice meaningless and ruin all emotional investment in it. The worst part is that it's often done for no reason other than "This is a popular character!" Gag. Comic books and related movies commit this sin more than anything else as far as I know. Oh wow, Thanos snapped and killed half the world. That sure as hell isn't gonna stick. Why do they even bother? I wish someone had the balls to make something like that stick.

 
"Oh no I fell on a girl and touched her no-no zone and now she's maaaaad at me for a bit before getting over it." I just don't know what we're expected to get out of this. Humor I guess? A little bit of fanservice? It's just awkward and forced and stupid.
True, I'm tired of that (and its "oops, I entered the wrong room and you're half naked").

It's even worse when it's the guy who was in the bath and she's calling him a pervert despite her entering without knocking.

Bringing back dead characters, through revival or alternate dimensions or clones or whatever. It's especially annoying when it comes after a character's self sacrifice. It's an excellent way to make their sacrifice meaningless and ruin all emotional investment in it. The worst part is that it's often done for no reason other than "This is a popular character!" Gag. Comic books and related movies commit this sin more than anything else as far as I know. Oh wow, Thanos snapped and killed half the world. That sure as hell isn't gonna stick. Why do they even bother? I wish someone had the balls to make something like that stick.
Multiverses are annoying me more and more as time goes on.

While I still prefer sexual dimorphism for the designs it's weird to see when a female of a species is a human with animal ears.

Taurens and Worgens in wow still looks a bit like their male counterparts.

Personally I also prefer when the female character of a family friendly cartoon is just the same with a ribbon or slight eyelashes and that's it.
 
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When they buy a house and then it turns out something terrible happened in it and it's haunted and they now need to right the wrong to stop the haunting. Dude literally published this plot in the 1st century can we stahp already?!
 
I hate the villain redemption arc. It's so frequently done poorly, and often contradicts what the character is all about.

I'm seriously fine with the villain remaining a villain. And I don't think they should change just because plot. Give me a real reason for their 180Β°.
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The best i ever Seen this done. and why it Ruined this for me. Was in fact, Prince Zuko's arc in Avatar: The Last Airbender. That was IMO Done perfectly
 
Is fladerization a trope, or just something that happens when new writers don't know what to do with someone? don't get me wrong, many of these things fall into bad writing, but I feel like with tropes there is at least some intent? either way, it kinda sucks when it happens...

another thing I wanted to mention in the same vein, I don't know the name of it exactly, is characters that are the same in sequels as the beginning of the last piece of media, because their personalities at the beginning of something is what people know the most.

I know cloud in advent children is kinda the poster boy for this, but it tends to happen a lot when either the character in questions personality shifts greatly in something popular, or when the character is showing up more as a cameo, like in disgaea.

I love disgaea, but the cameos are really hit and mix, especially early on. if the characters talk at all, they are kinda reset to their opening cutscene personality.
 
Is fladerization a trope, or just something that happens when new writers don't know what to do with someone? don't get me wrong, many of these things fall into bad writing, but I feel like with tropes there is at least some intent? either way, it kinda sucks when it happens...
Yes, it's a trope popularised by Ned Flanders.

It tends to happen naturally as a series goes on (like the cerberus syndrome of everything becoming more serious).

Another thing I wanted to mention in the same vein, I don't know the name of it exactly, is characters that are the same in sequels as the beginning of the last piece of media, because their personalities at the beginning of something is what people know the most.
Like Goku in the start of DBS?

I get what you mean but negating any character development kinda sucks.
 
Like Goku in the start of DBS?

I get what you mean but negating any character development kinda sucks.

that's more like... a flat character arc. I mean more like a character who had a personality evolve over the course of a show or game shows up and is quoting the fucked up things they said in chapter 1 because haha cool reference.

Cloud being moody in advent children onwards isn't how most people read how he acts at the end of FF7 for example. Laharl going on and on about how awful love is to a demon in every cameo is also something that's kinda frustrating, seeing as him learning to open up and trust others was like... the main plot. I'm not saying he shouldn't be laharl, but it just feels off somehow.

edit: okay now that you mention it, the super scene where he doesn't know what a kiss is comes to mind... even if most of gokus growth is early dragonball, there are moments he somehow regresses.
 
that's more like... a flat character arc. I mean more like a character who had a personality evolve over the course of a show or game shows up and is quoting the fucked up things they said in chapter 1 because haha cool reference.

Cloud being moody in advent children onwards isn't how most people read how he acts at the end of FF7 for example. Laharl going on and on about how awful love is to a demon in every cameo is also something that's kinda frustrating, seeing as him learning to open up and trust others was like... the main plot. I'm not saying he shouldn't be laharl, but it just feels off somehow.

edit: okay now that you mention it, the super scene where he doesn't know what a kiss is comes to mind... even if most of gokus growth is early dragonball, there are moments he somehow regresses.
The main issue is that shonens (especially nekketsus) are about character growth (not just in power but also in personality).

Freezer saga Goku and Buu saga goku are not the same. Even if DBS happened several decades after the end of the original manga he's still supposed to have more experience.

Also Goku is naive (from the lack of proper contact with the civilisation) but not stupid.

I understand Toriyama wanting to keep the humour in his series but I think there could've been a better way to do it.

I'm not a big expert in FFVII aside from the original game but I feel that even reboots can miss the point of a character.
 
I hate it when the science morons do science completely wrong (following no normal procedure and/or scientific method), then the "expert" from a completely different field insists that "man was never meant to science like this!" (See Michael Crichton stories and Rise of the Dawn of the Age of the Planet of the Apes Starring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series & Knuckles.) It always reminds me of Caveman Science Fiction. And the results are the same: something we should obviously be trying to figure out through actual scientific methods gets treated like it's a plague. Go back and watch any of these films years later after the tech has been normalized and ask yourself if it really is that bad.

As for games, I hate the unwinnable battle. I don't want to accidentally waste resources on a glorified cutscene, and if it takes some time to trigger the end of it, it's going to be more frustrating than enjoyable.
 
worst trope for me in anything is self aware humor.
i also dont really like the normal guy blank slate protagonist for the average person to self insert into, unless it were used thematically in the story as a way to say something or as a tool for actual characterization down the line
 
worst trope for me in anything is self aware humor.
i also dont really like the normal guy blank slate protagonist for the average person to self insert into, unless it were used thematically in the story as a way to say something or as a tool for actual characterization down the line
Self-aware humor exists for one reason: the writer does not respect the material, and thinks the audience will respect the writer (not the film) more if he shows this. So they tell you "hey, the comic this is based on was made for and by lame nerds" because they assume you don't even like the story despite the fact that you paid to see a movie based on it. And unfortunately, Hollywood marketing hypes these writers up, pushes them as the next big thing that we should model all movies off of from now on, and then years later we finally backlash against them by letting Justice League and Thor: Love & Thunder bomb at the box office. And while the studios ditched those writers, they still haven't learned to ditch their writing styles.

On that note, I really, really, want to see either Spider-man or Dr Strange get told off (or even punched) for being a jerk to people with their lame "huh huh, you got funny name" joke. If they're going to bring that joke back yet again, it better be to publicly execute it.
 
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Self-aware humor exists for one reason: the writer does not respect the material, and thinks the audience will respect the writer (not the film) more if he shows this. So they tell you "hey, the comic this is based on was made for and by lame nerds" because they assume you don't even like the story despite the fact that you paid to see a movie based on it. And unfortunately, Hollywood marketing hypes these writers up, pushes them as the next big thing that we should model all movies off of from now on, and then years later we finally backlash against them by letting Justice League and Thor: Love & Thunder bomb at the box office. And while the studios ditched those writers, they still haven't learned to ditch their writing styles.

On that note, I really, really, want to see either Spider-man or Dr Strange get told off (or even punched) for being a jerk to people with their lame "huh huh, you got funny name" joke. If they're going to bring that joke back yet again, it better be to publicly execute it.
Honestly, so much of what's wrong with any reboot, remaster, reimagining, sequel or adaptation comes down to "we didn't trust the source material"

you want people to pay money to see something nice? have something carry on successfully and not crash and die? TRUST THE SOURCE MATERIAL, people liked it for a REASON.
 
Thor: Love & Thunder
I liked that movie

Since we're talking about self-aware humor I'll bring up River City Girls. I don't mind humor, but it's like every character is treated like it has no importance or whatsoever. There's no build-up or payoff to almost anything. Compare it to Double Dragon Neon, that has a really simple premise and is full of ridiculous elements, but at the end of the day you care for what's happening.
 
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True, I'm tired of that (and its "oops, I entered the wrong room and you're half naked").

It's even worse when it's the guy who was in the bath and she's calling him a pervert despite her entering without knocking.
Oof, I forgot about that one. They can both be buried in a deep grave together. I mean, I'm sure they were funny at first, like 40 years ago, now it's just tired.
Multiverses are annoying me more and more as time goes on.
I've never been a big fan of them, but it seems like they've gotten more popular with the MCU. They can be fine if done well, I rather liked Everything Everywhere All at Once and Red Dwarf uses them to good comedic effect, but they usually just come across as existing for fan service or, as mentioned before, keeping your cash cow flowing because you don't want to lose popular characters to silly things like plot.
I think flanderization is one of the worst tropes ever
Agreed. The worst part is that it's impossible to pin down when it will happen. It almost inevitably crops up in media that go on for too long, but I've seen it happen in short lived media too. I'm sure some writers see it as bringing out a character's more defined traits, but that usually comes at the expense of any sort of depth. That's like, the inverse of what should happen, characters should be getting more complex with time, not less. x)
As for games, I hate the unwinnable battle. I don't want to accidentally waste resources on a glorified cutscene, and if it takes some time to trigger the end of it, it's going to be more frustrating than enjoyable.
This one is balls but the worst is when it's technically a winnable battle but some stupid bullshit happens after you win to make you lose anyway. I know the plot demands that you lose at that point, so why even make winning an option? Though it can be fun if it results in a cheeky joke ending or something, but that's exceedingly rare.

I have one more and I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with it, but the Heroic Mime trope, as TV Tropes calls it. Or more simply put, a silent protagonist. I can think of almost no examples where I'd rather play as a blank slate instead of an actual character. I know you're supposed to project yourself onto the character and all that, but you don't have enough influence in the plot to actually say anything meaningful or make meaningful choices. And that's fine! It's the only reasonable way to do it. You simply cannot make a game where you account for every player's choice, it's literally impossible. Well, except in tabletop games, but that's a different beast entirely. So if I can't say or do anything different than what the game requires, just give me a character to play as. You know, one that can interact with the rest of the cast and the world in a meaningful way. So much more interesting than "Here's your options, you can choose 3 different ways of saying yes!" I did say almost no, however. It can be done well if there's a good in world justification for it or if it's a case like Half-Life, where it's just a product of it's time that's persisted over many years. Thankfully we have Freeman's Mind to solve that problem. ::biggrin

Oh and one quickie. I'm glad we've done away with being able to rename RPG characters thanks to voice acting. I take major psychic damage when playing Final Fantasy X/X2 and everyone refers to Tidus as "him" or something.
 
I hate it when the science morons do science completely wrong (following no normal procedure and/or scientific method), then the "expert" from a completely different field insists that "man was never meant to science like this!" (See Michael Crichton stories and Rise of the Dawn of the Age of the Planet of the Apes Starring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series & Knuckles.) It always reminds me of Caveman Science Fiction. And the results are the same: something we should obviously be trying to figure out through actual scientific methods gets treated like it's a plague. Go back and watch any of these films years later after the tech has been normalized and ask yourself if it really is that bad.
I could understand sci-fi authors of the last century getting afraid of the threat of nuclear warfare (and maybe a bit of Oppenheimer not being quite happy of what he has created) but the trope of "Man is going too far, we should stop evolving" is simply anti-science when 99% of what we get today is made from science.

It's like how on social networks there are people who post "humour" of a teen not knowing what a book is because they are always on the Internet despite that they're also using their computer and internet a lot to begin with.

I firmly believe it's because of that paranoia of science that we end up having people against vaccines or believing in "Big Pharmaβ„’" or any other bullsh- related to any advancement to the point of screaming "Terminator is real!!!1!" each time we see any advancement with robotics (and seeing how AI is today we're still far from the T-800 and we don't have any Mimetic polyalloy yet).

I like your Caveman SF comic page, sums up pretty well the thing.

As for games, I hate the unwinnable battle. I don't want to accidentally waste resources on a glorified cutscene, and if it takes some time to trigger the end of it, it's going to be more frustrating than enjoyable.
I wish they would make them way more stronger to one shot you or stop the battle after 20 seconds to enable a cutscene.

I liked that in KH1
you could still beat Squall in his first fight but Sora still collapses from efforts (since he only freshly got his Keyblade).

Worst trope for me in anything is self aware humor.
Self-awareness was fine in things like Deadpool because it was fairly novel and original to him.

Then slowly everyone started doing it so it made him less original and unique.

I feel that fourth wall breaking and self-awareness are written to appeal to the general audience beyond just the actual comic book (or other medium) fans to sound more "friendly" and admitting that characters with super-powers defying science while wearing skintight suits isn't realistic (protips: they never were meant to be realistic and a fictional work does not need to obey the rules of gravity all the time).

This is why we end up having the usual "Yeah, I know, this name sounded better in my head" to tell how comic book hero names can be silly sometimes...

As if they are adults ashamed of wanting an unrealistic world with people with unusual names...

Despite how comics are perceived as being "for kids" Stan and many others managed to slip in some nice sub-text (like with the X-men getting ostracized for being different than the rest of the world) so I don't understand why they want to revert into self aware and low level humour instead of having a story that would talk both to kids and the parents bringing them into theatres.

I think we need more sincere stories with actual stakes (without falling into melodrama nor edginess of course) and, while being aware it's not a realistic world they're in, at least pretend that flying humans are a normal occurrence for super-heroes or that names are mostly pseudonyms to keep their privacy.
 
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Romantic tension that doesn't go anywhere. Having the characters kiss on the very last moment doesn't make it less frustrating.
 
You mean the sexual orientation or whoever the character is attracted to?
I remember reading somewhere about the "Last hour lesbian ship".

Nothing wrong with a character being LGBT but making it only right at the end of a show with no real build-up nor any development after (since it's the end) makes it feel like it was either forced or not really planned (or even not wanting to show too much of the same gender couple). I also feel that a female/female couple is also the "safe" bet.

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And Korra as I heard.

I didn't follow these shows that much but was that vampire a childhood friend of the princess?
 

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