What makes people go vegan?

[IDMTINP]

https://www.sciencealert.com/plants-really-do-scream-out-loud-we-just-never-heard-it-until-now

Is this a satirical website? There are so many titles for other articles that are fucking sending me.

"The pandemic did not affect the moon after all, scientists say"

WTF?!

 

[AnonymousCookieMonster]

but a benefit of being in a small town; friends and family are always bringing over extra during season.

Heh, GF's family keeps giving us like 200lb of meat each October, some of it just meat they don't have room for. Then i'll take their freezer burned meat and either can it, or use in stews (i don't care if the texture is odd, stew reconstitutes and breaks the meat down anyways)

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Is this a satirical website? There are so many titles for other articles that are fucking sending me.

"The pandemic did not affect the moon after all, scientists say"

WTF?!

Ummm... yeah i don't see how it would. Geez... now it sounds like nutcase conspiracy theory, not Alex Jones level (who seems right more often than wrong), but like Launchpad McQuack saying the cows are going to take over... (yes there's a cartoon involving cows and killer potatoes)

 

[ZombieFish]

Heh, GF's family keeps giving us like 200lb of meat each October, some of it just meat they don't have room for. Then i'll take their freezer burned meat and either can it, or use in stews (i don't care if the texture is odd, stew reconstitutes and breaks the meat down anyways)

ESPECIALLY in a pressure cooker. We had some last year that you’d have sworn was tender beef.

 

[AnonymousCookieMonster]

ESPECIALLY in a pressure cooker.

Pressure cookers are AWESOME!!!!

Just keep in mind it takes 15-20 minutes to get to temp, 20-30 minutes cooking (or longer if you're canning), 20 minutes to cool down (Don't rush the cooldown/depressure step... found it's not really worth it, especially canning)

Before i started canning in the last couple years i never understood the what or why. But buying meat when it's on sale cheap and then canning it for quick use later... Got like 30 jars of pre-seasoned ground beef ready for tacos and other things. hehe :)

 

[ZombieFish]

Pressure cookers are AWESOME!!!!

Just keep in mind it takes 15-20 minutes to get to temp, 20-30 minutes cooking (or longer if you're canning), 20 minutes to cool down (Don't rush the cooldown/depressure step... found it's not really worth it, especially canning)

Before i started canning in the last couple years i never understood the what or why. But buying meat when it's on sale cheap and then canning it for quick use later... Got like 30 jars of pre-seasoned ground beef ready for tacos and other things. hehe :)

Hell yeah. A penny saved. And I suppose to bring it back to the topic, I think this is the year I actually start a garden. Good veggies with good seasoning go a long way to minimizing the amount of meat I crave.

 

[Ikagura]

I've missed the thread but while it could be a hot debate I am relieved.

I can understand the feeling of not wanting to eat a mammal since they're close to us I don't get the issue with fishes, eating eggs, milk, honey or any byproducts.

The issue is how we produce them but not the products themselves.

Pork isn't really the best to eat considering what they themselves eat and as adults we don't need milk but they can work well if we got nothing else to eat.


I'll be honest, the only kind of meat product I could hardly bypass would be chicken, as avian they're not close enough to us and I prefer their taste over beef or pork.

 

[kanesha]

I used to gag on meat as a kid, and yet I was literally force fed and conditioned to like it, cause parents were afraid I won't grow and wither and die. Then you get internet and find out that with a bit of know-how and right kind of stuff you can totally go without meat and be just fine. Meat propoganda is rampant across the board, but nah that one satanic vegan evangelist nobody ever saw in person is the problem. I still gag on meat if it's not just an absolutely perfect cut or processed to high heavens, and yet I still eat it cause it's everywhere, and even vegtarian (not strict vegan) options are very limited and expensive.

 

[Ikagura]

Then you get internet and find out that with a bit of know-how and right kind of stuff you can totally go without meat and be just fine.

I still think that for growth if a kid hasn't a proper dietary monitoring it could lead to issues.

Now the thing is that junk food is junk food regardless of the content.

 

[ZombieFish]

I still think that for growth if a kid hasn't a proper dietary monitoring it could lead to issues.

Now the thing is that junk food is junk food regardless of the content.

You talkin’ bout my dino nuggies?

 

[Ikagura]

You talkin’ bout my dino nuggies?

I mean potatoes are technically vegans but fries are still saturated grease regardless if it's not meat.

 

[Evaccaneer Doom]

Is this a satirical website? There are so many titles for other articles that are fucking sending me.

"The pandemic did not affect the moon after all, scientists say"

WTF?!

As funny as it sounds, it's actually true. Plants react to being touched and cut in studies with high pitched noises we can't hear but can measure

 

[Klonoa7]

As funny as it sounds, it's actually true. Plants react to being touched and cut in studies with high pitched noises we can't hear but can measure

Just wait another decade from now when researchers discover that trees all laugh at guys who pee in the woods.

 

[cjl8336]

I just got my ethics assignment back and the topic was ethical issues surrounding factory farms - many brutal methods involved, but I argue that veganism does nothing for the animals in those conditions, which I assumed was the point of being a vegan in the first place. This isn't discounting that lifestyle; I feel that more could be done, but whether or not it should is something society will have to come to an agreement on, unfortunately.

 

[Ikagura]

Plants have a form of intelligence, same with fungi.

I just got my ethics assignment back and the topic was ethical issues surrounding factory farms - many brutal methods involved, but I argue that veganism does nothing for the animals in those conditions, which I assumed was the point of being a vegan in the first place. This isn't discounting that lifestyle; I feel that more could be done, but whether or not it should is something society will have to come to an agreement on, unfortunately.

And honestly I'd prefer to help humans in need before tackling other species.

Yeah, I'd rather try saving my species first.

 

[Egg (McMuffin) Man]

If you choose not to eat vegetables it's called being picky. If you choose not to eat meat it's called a lifestyle choice.

Jokes aside, it seems to be due to different reasonings depending on the person. One of my relatives is a vegan and in her case she does it because she has concerns related to ethics in the meat industry (I personally think she is misguided but that's besides the point. Her concerns are valid). On the other hand, some people do it because they have concerns related to climate change. I know someone irl who became a vegan because he's a picky eater and it allows him to easily get alternative meals in situations where food is provided - He's legitimately a vegan though.

But what all of these people have in common is that they spent much of their lives in America. On the contrary, I have never met someone who grew up in my country and does that sort of thing. I don't think it's exclusively an American thing, but I think that fad diets in general (not limited to just veganism) are a part of Western culture. Just as there are a lot of vegans, there are a lot of people who choose to cut other types of foods out of their diet. Some for ethical or moral reasons, and some for health conscious reasons.

But it's not exactly normal. You're supposed to eat a proper balanced diet which includes various portions of all the main food groups in order to be healthy. Yes you can get nutrients through supplements but ask anyone who works in healthcare, your body obsorbs nutrients from food differently than how it obsorbs them from supplements. That's why multivitamins are sometimes referred to as "bedpan bullets". Not eating meat is no different than not eating vegetables.

 

[kanesha]

But what all of these people have in common is that they spent much of their lives in America.

fad diets in general (not limited to just veganism) are a part of Western culture

I take it half of India also were spening much of their lives in America for centuries in your meat fantasy land?

 

[Ikagura]

I take it half of India also were spending much of their lives in America for centuries in your meat fantasy land?

I'd argue that Indian lifestyle and religion were also two facts (which is why seafood isn't Kosher and why Pork based meat is Haram in other religions and regions).

India's history also had issues with feeding so this is why some people had to have a different regime (like why in some regions in the globe Entomophagy is also done.


Now I'm asking why you're calling it a "meat fantasy land" when the homo genre started to evolve with meat consumption.

 

[kanesha]

Now I'm asking why you're calling it a "meat fantasy land" when the homo genre started to evolve with meat consumption.

Meat consumption makes you evolve? How about you stop playing playing pokemon and actually try to understand and put some meaning behind words?
My comment was in response to someone claiming that vegetarian and vegan diets are an exclusively american and western culture thing, but you may continue to derail like mad if that makes you feel better.

 

[Ikagura]

Meat consumption makes you evolve? How about you stop playing playing pokemon and actually try to understand and put some meaning behind words?

I meant evolution as in in Darwinism and how it was concomitant with the species using tools among other thing.

 

[Egg (McMuffin) Man]

I take it half of India also were spening much of their lives in America for centuries in your meat fantasy land?

I'm specifically referring to the people I know irl with the first sentence you quoted.

Less than 10% of Indians identify as vegan and there's reports suggesting that the number of strict vegans is much lower. So in addition to being needlessly obtuse and looking for conflict where there is none, you're also making unfair generalizations and pushing stereotypes. This isn't Twitter, we're here to discuss topics not have flame wars.

 

[kanesha]

I meant evolution as in in Darwinism and how it was concomitant with the species using tools among other thing.

What's the mechanism of Darwinian evolution my fellow big word appreciator? Monkey eat meat and evolve big brain? Read *random mutation* + *natural selection*. Random mutation happens regardless of anything that's how genes work, your baby is going to be slightly different at random regardless of what you do. Natural selection is mother Gaia giving you a reality check, it's not a freaking dog show jury deciding who's the bestest specimen of their type, it can be a freakin meteor that wipes out everything that isn't pathetic vermin crawling underground. The whole freaking point of humanity and civilization is to give all that crap the middle finger and manifest our own reality the way we see fit, and I'm sure glad that's the case cause otherwise the meat gagging myself would have probably been left to die out of starvation as a wee baby. Still none of this has anything to do with our mutual friend up above who is so woke-paranoid and meat-indoctrinated he forgot India exists in his genious rant.

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I'm specifically referring to the people I know irl with the first sentence you quoted.

That's why I also quoted the second sentance where you finally went off rails.

Less than 10% of Indians identify as vegan

It doesn't matter what numbers you pull out of your ass, it's not going to justify you totally ignoring an ancient culture and religion that practises non-meat diet specifically out of respect for the life of the animals, the exact prototype of modern veganism. I'm sorry you done goofed, I done mocked you for it, couldn't help it, it was too freakin funny.

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India's history also had issues with feeding so this is why some people had to have a different regime (like why in some regions in the globe Entomophagy is also done.

Gotta also point out this gold nugget of a take here. Apparently they had "issues with feeding" (I mean so nicely put I can't think of a better way) so they made up this whole religion and culture and ever elaborate cuisine, just to pretend that it's all ok.

 

[Ikagura]

Still none of this has anything to do with our mutual friend up above who is so woke-paranoid and meat-indoctrinated he forgot India exists in his genious rant.

Unironically talking about meat endoctrination smells a bit like complotism which is quite fallacious to my eyes in the same level of Big Pharma and I'm the first to not want to have people talking about "vegan propaganda" when it comes to vegetal based products.

I'd also recall that sadly India is also a country with a high amount of poverty (usually being able to eat meat-based product was for the wealthiest before developed countries managed to feed most of their population) so they have to go for a specific diet to compensate (which is why the commoner ate mostly cereals).

it's not going to justify you totally ignoring an ancient culture and religion that practises non-meat diet specifically out of respect for the life of the animals.

I really doubt that Christianity with eating fish the Wednesday, Islam forbidding pork and Judaism forbidding seafood have anything to do with respect for the animals.

Fasting in these beliefs were for a different reason.


Anyway this thread will probably get locked soon seeing how things are going. Let other people eat what they want within the limits of the law and I will refuse to see most people having to eat substitutes while a smaller group could get the real thing anytime soon.

 

[kanesha]

Unironically talking about meat endoctrination smells a bit like complotism which is quite fallacious to my eyes in the same level of Big Pharma and I'm the first to not want to have people talking about "vegan propaganda" when it comes to vegetal based products.

I'd also recall that sadly India is also a country with a high amount of poverty (usually being able to eat meat-based product was for the wealthiest before developed countries managed to feed most of their population) so they have to go for a specific diet to compensate (which is why the commoner ate mostly cereals).


I really doubt that Christianity with eating fish the Wednesday, Islam forbidding pork and Judaism forbidding seafood have anything to do with respect for the animals.

Fasting in these beliefs were for a different reason.


Anyway this thread will probably get locked soon seeing how things are going. Let other people eat what they want within the limits of the law and I will refuse to see most people having to eat substitutes while a smaller group could get the real thing anytime soon.

Oh, wait they might not lock it if you keep derailing, now I see why you're doing it. Though nice job sticking with the whole India made up a religion thoundands of years ago cause they were always too poor until the developed world came to their resque and brought them meat routine.

I'm just gonna leave this here

Ahimsa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I know, I know, it's wikipedia, the demonic doctrine of the woke, but gotta know your enemy.

 

[Somnia]

Generally just against animal abuse and the modern meat industry's intense harm on the enviornment. As a species we've kinda evolved past it being necessary. I don't think meat consumption would be inherently wrong in all instances, obviously we are not herbivores and all of my disdain for the meat industry comes from how it treats animals, wastes product and kills the enviornment. If things were more humane, less wasteful and less damaging to our planet I'd probably have never gone vegan.

As for substitutes you have plenty, from more obvious stuff like Beyond meats to classics like tofu or soy curls that you can use as a substitute in tons of protein-based dishes. Seitan ans mushrooms also work great too, it really depends on the meal. A lot of people will try and tell you that you NEED meat or something, but unless you're on some absolute mindfuck of a vegan diet that doesn't even include protein substitutes or something you'll be fine. In my years of knowing tons and tons of vegans from all walks of life and with varying states of health prior to going vegan, I've never met one who has any long-term issues and most studies seem to show that it really shouldn't be a problem unless you're careless.

The biggest barrier to entry is that its typically more expensive and time consuming to go vegan. I'm sure accessibility to substitutes also varies greatly if you aren't in a major country like the US. Its slowly getting easier overtime here in the states but ultimately I just wish major corporations weren't so shit. Wahoo for the free market or w/e. I could give a more impassioned speech and response to a few particularly silly takes in this thread about veganism/vegetarianism but there are many who get extremely touchy and feel overly judged so I'll lay off. This thread is explosive enough as is and the point isn't to really judge someone for what they do or don't do in a vacuum anyways.

I'll just reiterate that the beauty (and sometimes horror) of humanity is how we've divorced ourselves from anything resembling a normal existence. Doesn't matter what it is or isn't normal to do because we've grown beyond that concept when it comes to how a species is meant to operate within nature by developing such a hyper-industrialized and advanced version of what a normal society could ever be.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Generally just against animal abuse and the modern meat industry's intense harm on the enviornment. As a species we've kinda evolved past it being necessary. I don't think meat consumption would be inherently wrong in all instances, obviously we are not herbivores and all of my disdain for the meat industry comes from how it treats animals, wastes product and kills the enviornment. If things were more humane, less wasteful and less damaging to our planet I'd probably have never gone vegan.

As for substitutes you have plenty, from more obvious stuff like Beyond meats to classics like tofu or soy curls that you can use as a substitute in tons of protein-based dishes. Seitan ans mushrooms also work great too, it really depends on the meal. A lot of people will try and tell you that you NEED meat or something, but unless you're on some absolute mindfuck of a vegan diet that doesn't even include protein substitutes or something you'll be fine. In my years of knowing tons and tons of vegans from all walks of life and with varying states of health prior to going vegan, I've never met one who has any long-term issues and most studies seem to show that it really shouldn't be a problem unless you're careless.

The biggest barrier to entry is that its typically more expensive and time consuming to go vegan. I'm sure accessibility to substitutes also varies greatly if you aren't in a major country like the US. Its slowly getting easier overtime here in the states but ultimately I just wish major corporations weren't so shit. Wahoo for the free market or w/e. I could give a more impassioned speech and response to a few particularly silly takes in this thread about veganism/vegetarianism but there are many who get extremely touchy and feel overly judged so I'll lay off. This thread is explosive enough as is and the point isn't to really judge someone for what they do or don't do in a vacuum anyways.

I'll just reiterate that the beauty (and sometimes horror) of humanity is how we've divorced ourselves from anything resembling a normal existence. Doesn't matter what it is or isn't normal to do because we've grown beyond that concept when it comes to how a species is meant to operate within nature by developing such a hyper-industrialized and advanced version of what a normal society could ever be.

Da comrade thats the effect of capitalism I guess mass production to ensure maximum efficiency sacrificing proper treatment of livestock but ey if humans treat other humans in a very cruel manner like we seen in my country syria I don't think its far fetched to see humans treating the planet in a harsh manner very harsh in fact , and yes im aware of the thread being capable of starting a heated discussion as seen above I knew in fact asking about vegans can stir up trouble but I think its worth seeing the different perspectives and getting to know the people here better.

Personally Im not the biggest fan of meat unless its kebab I think shawrma is overrated compared to flafel and could never eat chicken on its own without rice or bread.