What makes people go vegan?

[Pandaprewmaster325]

Today I was at launch table staring into the food and a thought came to me "why some people refuse to consume meat?" I heard the reasoning everytime but never heard it from an actual vegan well I had classmate who was a vegan but I never asked him why he became vegan (he liked mansf without meat now make that make sense) do vegans know for example the benefits of chicken , fish and other meat? How do they substitute it?

If you are vegan seeing this im interested in seeing (well I can't say "hearing" because we read text here not hear it) your side of the story and what experiences being vegan made you go through and what caused you to become vegan.

 

[IDMTINP]

I have attempted to go vegan before but I developed some awful (unrelated) digestive issue, I can't afford to do it anymore.

It all comes down to your personal decision on how much you want to contribute to animal suffering, which is undeniably involved in the mass production of meat. It's really not about the nutritional value, it's almost 100% an ethical decision. Does a single individual's choice make a difference? Well, it's a drop in the ocean, but when many people do it, it benefits animals greatly. Today, there are more consumer options that do not involve animal cruelty than ever before because there are more and more vegans.

 

[Asian girls lover]

I ain't vegan, but vegetarian. Not the same thing, but similar. I became vegetarian because I always loved animals, so I thought it was nonsense loving them and keep on eating meat. It's also a matter of ethic.

 

[Evaccaneer Doom]

A lack of eating meat of course

 

[IDMTINP]

A lack of eating meat of course

I think that makes someone be vegan but not go vegan, right?

 

[RuckusMcGuckus]

A buddy of mine isn't vegan, but he does limit the kind of meat he eats. He doesn't eat mammals meaning he won't eat pork, beef, or lamb, but will eat chicken, turkey and fish. It's because he feels bad for the animals. I think he believes the chicken and fish are lesser so he still eats them(probably cause they're not as expressive). He believes there are many alternative to eating meat that are just as good. Luckily hes not the type to push his beliefs on someone else cause I'm eating that cow.

 

[ciro64]

Super powers? ?

I can't not eat meat. Every time I tried vegan food the difference was painfully stark. The only time it actually tasted like meat was while I was having a dream ?

 

[RanmyakuIchi's iconRanmyakuIchi]

I used to refuse to eat meat until I was a teenager. The idea of eating something that was once alive grossed kid me out quite a bit. I only changed because the girl I was dating in Highschool offered me some and I didn't want to turn her down, then I realized "Wait a minute, meat is delicious!"

 

[DanVzare]

I'm not vegan, but I'm fairly sure the reasoning is that they're strongly opposed against animal abuse.

Humans can live quite well without meat, as there are plenty of substitutes to get protein. Living a healthy life without animal products on the whole is hell of a lot harder, but still doable (I mean, vegans and vegetarians aren't exactly collapsing on the street). But let's not get into the health aspects, or even the biological aspects. After all, I'm not an expert on either.
All I know is that you can practically live on potatoes most of your life. But I doubt that's what most people think of when you bring up veganism.

But yeah, the reason most people go vegan, is because they strongly empathize with the animals. They themselves wouldn't want to be locked in a pen, only so they can lay eggs for the rest of their lives, until eventually they can't lay them anymore, only to have their head chopped off and eaten by the people that once fed them.
Of course there are those who believe it's healthier to go vegan, or those that might be allergic to meat (or at least the common preservatives they typically put on meat). But in general, veganism is done for moral reasons.

And hey, if that's their moral philosophy, then I say all the power to them. I mean, what gives a human the right to live any more than an animal? I certainly can't answer it.

 

[IDMTINP]

Super powers? ?

I can't not eat meat. Every time I tried vegan food the difference was painfully stark. The only time it actually tasted like meat was while I was having a dream ?

Aren't you the one who eats raw meat?

 

[Waffles's iconWaffles]

Like all life-altering decisions, this one is rooted on deeply ethical and philosophical takes.

Some people value all life and don't believe they have a right to feed off their fellow living creatures, and I can respect that. I don't necessarily share it (although I even attempted it once), but I understand where they are coming from.

 

[Clippy]

Far as I'm concerned, you do you. I can't imagine a life without meat and I highly doubt that people who don't eat meat out of ethical concerns make any difference in the world in that regard. With that said, I'm not one to try and regulate other people's diets. The only kind of vegan I hate is the activist kind that yells 'murderer' at people.

 

[Num]

im well aware thered be no difference at all to the food production if i were to abstain from eating meat or not so if i were to ever become vegan or vegetarian itd simply be because im just not much of a meat guy. my body doesnt do well with digesting heavy meats and cant say im all about the taste, it doesnt seem so unappealing but im just not a person of commitment

 

[pict0]

So I'm not a vegan, but I've been vegetarian since I was a kid in 1999. (It's also a choice of my own that I don't particularly try to push on other people) Long story short, the idea of eating animal muscle just isn't appealing to me, and I prefer a healthy diet of fruits and vegetables. I've really come to detest the idea of slaughterhouses - Future generations are going to look at the inhumane treatment of animals there and wonder how we were ever okay with it. Workers who gather crops are also treated poorly, and I'm trying to wrestle with that too, but I find slaughterhouses are the worse of those two evils. I hope that both industries are eventually able to improve conditions, but it will take a long time.

Humans evolved to eat meat. I've got no problem with the food chain in action... A hunter killing some game is a well-earned meal. But at the scale of slaughterhouses? It's unimaginable. That's also the key difference rebutting Clippy's meme posted above, even if it is funny.

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[CaptainToad]

I read and discussed moral philosophy online and switched to being vegan because it was clearly the superior option. Became a better cook because of it. Understand nutrition better because of it. Understand the nature of the universe better because of it.

 

[Klonoa7]

I tried the vegan thing out for several months when I was younger and it didn’t work out. My energy levels were very low and I was always tired throughout the day. Maybe I wasn’t eating the right vegetables at the time but I was miserable for a while.

Later on in the years when there a big fuss over Beyond Beef trend I wanted to give those faux meat products a try. I purchased the Beyond Beef crumbles to substitute ground beef in a recipe and I had gas and bloating for a few days. When Burger King released their Beyond Beef Whopper I tried it out which yielded the same results: gas and bloating for a few days. Later on I would discover that those highly processed products are loaded with additives that may not be as good for us, including cellulose/acetic acid and methylcellulose which is known to give people gastrointestinal problems. Yikes. Back to real meat it is and I felt better.

Every now and then I’ll set aside a couple of vegan days, aka “no meat days” throughout the week and give some vegan recipes a try. I’ve been trying out some recipes from a cookbook called Plant You: Scrappy Cooking and the food actually tastes good. Not that bland, flavorless crap that you’ll occasionally find online either. I still won’t completely give up meat though.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

I used to refuse to eat meat until I was a teenager. The idea of eating something that was once alive grossed kid me out quite a bit. I only changed because the girl I was dating in Highschool offered me some and I didn't want to turn her down, then I realized "Wait a minute, meat is delicious!"

So it was pure luck? That's what it looks like.

I have attempted to go vegan before but I developed some awful (unrelated) digestive issue, I can't afford to do it anymore.

It all comes down to your personal decision on how much you want to contribute to animal suffering, which is undeniably involved in the mass production of meat. It's really not about the nutritional value, it's almost 100% an ethical decision. Does a single individual's choice make a difference? Well, it's a drop in the ocean, but when many people do it, it benefits animals greatly. Today, there are more consumer options that do not involve animal cruelty than ever before because there are more and more vegans.

Yeah you are right they have a market and products of their own making being vegan easier than before.

I ain't vegan, but vegetarian. Not the same thing, but similar. I became vegetarian because I always loved animals, so I thought it was nonsense loving them and keep on eating meat. It's also a matter of ethic.

"Hey look at this sheep I love it lets eat cuz I love it" maybe eating meat is another way of expressing your love for animals? ?

A lack of eating meat of course

"Im vegan" "why?" "I can't afford meat" "understandable have a nice day" honestly valid reason can't argue with.

A buddy of mine isn't vegan, but he does limit the kind of meat he eats. He doesn't eat mammals meaning he won't eat pork, beef, or lamb, but will eat chicken, turkey and fish. It's because he feels bad for the animals. I think he believes the chicken and fish are lesser so he still eats them(probably cause they're not as expressive). He believes there are many alternative to eating meat that are just as good. Luckily hes not the type to push his beliefs on someone else cause I'm eating that cow.

Weird I would prefer beef and sheep over chicken , chicken is mid honestly idk how he prefers it over although fish is a good choice its pretty nice.

I'm not vegan, but I'm fairly sure the reasoning is that they're strongly opposed against animal abuse.

Humans can live quite well without meat, as there are plenty of substitutes to get protein. Living a healthy life without animal products on the whole is hell of a lot harder, but still doable (I mean, vegans and vegetarians aren't exactly collapsing on the street). But let's not get into the health aspects, or even the biological aspects. After all, I'm not an expert on either.
All I know is that you can practically live on potatoes most of your life. But I doubt that's what most people think of when you bring up veganism.

But yeah, the reason most people go vegan, is because they strongly empathize with the animals. They themselves wouldn't want to be locked in a pen, only so they can lay eggs for the rest of their lives, until eventually they can't lay them anymore, only to have their head chopped off and eaten by the people that once fed them.
Of course there are those who believe it's healthier to go vegan, or those that might be allergic to meat (or at least the common preservatives they typically put on meat). But in general, veganism is done for moral reasons.

And hey, if that's their moral philosophy, then I say all the power to them. I mean, what gives a human the right to live any more than an animal? I certainly can't answer it.

Hmmm I think humans are atop the food chain and kind of deserve to be but your reasoning is likeable nonetheless.

Like all life-altering decisions, this one is rooted on deeply ethical and philosophical takes.

Some people value all life and don't believe they have a right to feed off their fellow living creatures, and I can respect that. I don't necessarily share it (although I even attempted it once), but I understand where they are coming from.

Me too meeting such people can be a unique and fun experience.

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Far as I'm concerned, you do you. I can't imagine a life without meat and I highly doubt that people who don't eat meat out of ethical concerns make any difference in the world in that regard. With that said, I'm not one to try and regulate other people's diets. The only kind of vegan I hate is the activist kind that yells 'murderer' at people.

I yet to meet or see one of these activist type it feels a bit exaggerated.

So I'm not a vegan, but I've been vegetarian since I was a kid in 1999. (It's also a choice of my own that I don't particularly try to push on other people) Long story short, the idea of eating animal muscle just isn't appealing to me, and I prefer a healthy diet of fruits and vegetables. I've really come to detest the idea of slaughterhouses - Future generations are going to look at the inhumane treatment of animals there and wonder how we were ever okay with it. Workers who gather crops are also treated poorly, and I'm trying to wrestle with that too, but I find slaughterhouses are the worse of those two evils. I hope that both industries are eventually able to improve conditions, but it will take a long time.

Humans evolved to eat meat. I've got no problem with the food chain in action... A hunter killing some game is a well-earned meal. But at the scale of slaughterhouses? It's unimaginable. That's also the key difference rebutting Clippy's meme posted above, even if it is funny.

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Will be interesting to see how they depict slaughterhouses personally I dont think I can stand the smell or the blood.

I read and discussed moral philosophy online and switched to being vegan because it was clearly the superior option. Became a better cook because of it. Understand nutrition better because of it. Understand the nature of the universe better because of it.

Holy! That's impressive bro all the respect.

 

[moonbits]

I tried it and you honestly feel very light, refreshed in a way. It's definitely healthier if you know what you are doing but I do like fried chicken so I can't keep the act for too long. I do eat vegan meals on Thursdays if possible, just to taste new things.

 

[ZombieFish]

Any hunters in here? I legit feel like hunting should be required past a certain age if you wanna eat meat, as well as a trip to a beef or chicken mill. There's a real disconnect between the circle-of-life style phenomena that is hunting, and the massive meat industry. Where I'm from, if we don't thin out the deer population some they start dying off from disease and starvation, and are more likely to die on the road. I don't like killing, but my hunting deer is actually beneficial to both our ecosystems. But if I had the money, and wasn't allergic to soy, I'd cut factory meats out of my diet today. It's legitimately fucked up how we treat cows, pigs, and chickens... Fuck turkey's though, they assholes.

 

[ciro64]

Any hunters in here? I legit feel like hunting should be required past a certain age if you wanna eat meat, as well as a trip to a beef or chicken mill. There's a real disconnect between the circle-of-life style phenomena that is hunting, and the massive meat industry. Where I'm from, if we don't thin out the deer population some they start dying off from disease and starvation, and are more likely to die on the road. I don't like killing, but my hunting deer is actually beneficial to both our ecosystems. But if I had the money, and wasn't allergic to soy, I'd cut factory meats out of my diet today. It's legitimately fucked up how we treat cows, pigs, and chickens... Fuck turkey's though, they assholes.

There's no incentive to hunting where I live, but I wish I could do it.

 

[fake-kun]

Any hunters in here? I legit feel like hunting should be required past a certain age if you wanna eat meat, as well as a trip to a beef or chicken mill. There's a real disconnect between the circle-of-life style phenomena that is hunting, and the massive meat industry. Where I'm from, if we don't thin out the deer population some they start dying off from disease and starvation, and are more likely to die on the road. I don't like killing, but my hunting deer is actually beneficial to both our ecosystems. But if I had the money, and wasn't allergic to soy, I'd cut factory meats out of my diet today. It's legitimately fucked up how we treat cows, pigs, and chickens... Fuck turkey's though, they assholes.

I'm disabled, so I wouldn't be able to hunt even if I wanted to.

 

[ZombieFish]

I'm disabled, so wouldn't be able to hunt even if I wanted to.

I haven't been in a couple years now, but a benefit of being in a small town; friends and family are always bringing over extra during season. Enough for most of us to have a deep-freezer full of venison. Dice it, drop it in a pressure cooker with taters, celery, carrots, mushrooms, onions, and a secret spice blend... Shit, now I'm hungry.

 

[Boo Man]

i think its extremely ignorant of vegans to assume fruit and vegies dont feel pain when you rip them from the earth and chop them up into little pieces for a salad or something

 

[ZombieFish]

https://www.sciencealert.com/plants-really-do-scream-out-loud-we-just-never-heard-it-until-now

 

[AnonymousCookieMonster]

Portions of the world are 'too safe', unnaturally so. Growing food is fine, but hunting used to be the primary way to eat. As such we usually ate mean until it was gone, fasted until we hunted another big game, and survive on berries/roots or small prey until a big one was an option.

Meat is found to be the most nutritionally dense food there is, and we being omnivores, are intended to eat meat.

Regardless. I have never been that big on meat, though i'm far from vegetarian or vegan. I read and followed a book by Harvey Diamond who is a nutritionist and doctor who gave a dietary suggestions, with the ideology that your body releases and uses different acids in the stomach to break down different foods, and mixing acids resulted in basically waste.

Book in a nut-shell:
1) Fruit til noon. (Your body works in 3 8-hour cycles, and the 4am-Noon is the energy-assimilation & detoxing stage, so heavy foods just hinders that. Fruits offer quick sugars that are easy to digest)

2) Durations to break down foods should be considered. Fruits can be as short as 15 minutes (watermelon) to 45 minutes (bananas). Veggies take about 2 hours. Cheese/nuts/bread takes 3 hours. Meat takes 4 hours. MIXING EVERYTHING TAKES 8 HOURS AND PUSHES UNDIGESTED FOOD THROUGH READY OR NOT.

2b) Don't mix fruit with anything else. just wait til they are digested before eating anything else.

2c) don't drink during meals, the liquid just dilutes the acid...

3) Veggies can be mixed with the meat or cheese or bread or nuts as it breaks down in either acid. But you don't want to mix all of them. Meat requires heavy acid vs Alkaline, so if you have meat have it by itself (or with veggies).

So i followed that diet since i was 17, lost weight about the same time Jared (subway guy) was a thing, my results weren't quite as drastic, though neither was my original diet vs his... Got to 180lb at 18 and stayed that way for a long time.

I thought about it a lot, and ended up just dropping meat from my diet, and everything else just worked. I made crumbs mixed with garlic salt and butter and used that as cheese on pizza, i had sandwiches, my mom grew sprouts so heavy sprout sandwiches.

When i was in the military, i made sandwiches instead of going through the main line, putting olives, mushrooms, ranch, sunflower seeds and other things to make my sandwiches. Seemed to be fine.

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Now the last part why someone would go vegan. Because they think they can lose weight probably, or are too scared of the thought of an animal dying. You can go vegan, for a while have have AMAZING results as you are effectively going into a full detox mode (you can do similarly on a water diet but much faster); But plants can't give you everything you need. After about 2 years (if the youtuber vegans channels back in 2019 were anything to go by) they develop terrible debilitating diseases which is purely from malnutrition, because certain nutrients they had stockpiled in their cells/liver when they started is now empty. Certain fatty acids and vitamins you just can't get elsewhere. Those vegans have some fish or a hamburger and the problems instantly went away.

So long and short. Go vegan/vegetarian if you want, but set time aside, one meal a month or something to have some meat. We don't need a lot of it to get by, but you do need it.