Cartoons The Simpsons

First time I'm hearing that, but it suddenly makes a lot of sense.
yep ... it's as RanmyakuIchi pointed out ... it was all due to pay wage dispute :(
i wasn't aware of it as a teenager when mrs lovejoy barely talked and then a few a seasons later she was like saying actual lines again ... ( didn't know her and maude were voiced by the same person until i read the article too so yeah haha )

at least the compromise ended up being for maggie roswell was that she got to do the voices with a pay increase (not sure if it was big or not) at her own home or something instead of having to fly out

but yeah ... everything after just removing maude from the story and everything that would relate to her just wouldn't make sense

note - not sure if anyone has noticed it ... the episode 'stark raving dad' isn't on the disney+
i'm glad having physical media has it's uses :D haha
had to explain to my wife about the controversy about why that was removed
i mean i get it why it had to be taken down ... *sigh* ... it was such a classic 'feel good' episodes though ...
shame :/
 
yep ... it's as RanmyakuIchi pointed out ... it was all due to pay wage dispute :(
i wasn't aware of it as a teenager when mrs lovejoy barely talked and then a few a seasons later she was like saying actual lines again ... ( didn't know her and maude were voiced by the same person until i read the article too so yeah haha )

at least the compromise ended up being for maggie roswell was that she got to do the voices with a pay increase (not sure if it was big or not) at her own home or something instead of having to fly out

but yeah ... everything after just removing maude from the story and everything that would relate to her just wouldn't make sense

note - not sure if anyone has noticed it ... the episode 'stark raving dad' isn't on the disney+
i'm glad having physical media has it's uses :D haha
had to explain to my wife about the controversy about why that was removed
i mean i get it why it had to be taken down ... *sigh* ... it was such a classic 'feel good' episodes though ...
shame :/
Interesting! I remember how one of the writers (responsible for several past masterpieces on the show) had to fight for the right to work from home because he wasn't allowed to smoke in the office and he just really needed to. It doesn't really compare to the other situation, but it certainly helps painting a clearer image of what was going on behind the scenes. Honestly feels pretty toxic as a work environment.

As for Disney axing that episode... yep. Not surprised at all. It's such a Disney thing to do.
 
I haven't watched the show since just before the pandemic but now I'm trying to catch up with it along with Bob's Burgers, Family Guy, and American Dad.

So how is the show after, say, November 2019?
 
I still go back and watch the golden age from time to time. Never gets old.

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I miss the time when the episodes didn't feel hijacked by their guest stars. There was a time when they could get a big-time celebrity in there just to deliver a quick line and that was enough.

Although it is still mind-bogging to me that so many people refused to be on the show.
 
I miss the time when the episodes didn't feel hijacked by their guest stars. There was a time when they could get a big-time celebrity in there just to deliver a quick line and that was enough.

Although it is still mind-bogging to me that so many people refused to be on the show.
I quit watching in the late 90s when every episode started to become a flimsy excuse to cram in a celebrity. The one with Tony Hawk was the end for me.
 
I believe around season 11 or 12 was the breaking point. They lost the magic (probably Conan O'Brian and the writing team) It never was the same again.
 
I quit watching in the late 90s when every episode started to become a flimsy excuse to cram in a celebrity. The one with Tony Hawk was the end for me.
So... you missed the Lady Gaga one, then? Lucky one (although I do not agree that it's the worst episode EVER, it's still pretty bad).
 
I miss the Twilight Zone rip offs. They were always great at updating the stories to fit into the Simpsons world.
I do prefer uncanny stories set within the main continuity rather than seeing Homer getting sliced and diced just for the sake of being provocative.


I love that one too

Even looking better than the more recent 3D animations of them.
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Seeing how things will be I wouldn't be surprised if future Simpsons will be AI generated.

 
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Every few years I go back and rewatch it, but I usually end up checking out around the 12th or 13th season each time. Those "golden" seasons always seem to be more funny than I remember each time I go back though.

Every so often I try to watch a recent episode, and that usually doesn't turn out well. I hear it's getting better on occasion, but I have yet to agree with that myself.

As for favourite quotes, it's a classic but a good one:
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Every few years I go back and rewatch it, but I usually end up checking out around the 12th or 13th season each time. Those "golden" seasons always seem to be more funny than I remember each time I go back though.

Every so often I try to watch a recent episode, and that usually doesn't turn out well. I hear it's getting better on occasion, but I have yet to agree with that myself.

As for favourite quotes, it's a classic but a good one:
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Agreed haha
I mean there was a time when I watched the Marge Not Be Proud episode
First time watching it in elementary I didn't react at all at the scene where the kids were like 'Boring!' at the game they were playing before the whole Bonestorm scene. Then in High School after rewatching that same episode I found myself laughing out loud practically ! :LOL: I mean it finally clicked 'Oh wtf?! Is he seriously trying to punch and kick a tank?!' ... ahh damn LOL

Yeah ... just those instances ... hence why Season 1 to 10 still the best !
Can look back at an episode and find something that was either hidden in plain sight or ... you know ... 'predicted the future' moments

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Can’t believe I only just now found this thread! Finally, a safe haven for all us Springfieldianites!

Here’s my government-mandated Simpsons Character Sheet
  • My favorite season is 4
  • My favorite episode is ’Bart Sells His Soul’
  • My favorite Simpson is Bart
  • My favorite character is Skinner
  • My favorite quote is ”I have three kids and no money! I wish I had no kids and three money!”
  • My favorite gag is the entire Bart vs the Street Sweeper scene
  • My favorite couch gag is the Sylvain Chomet one
  • My favorite sign gag is ” Springfield Christian School - We put the Fun in Fundamentalist dogma”
  • My least favorite character is Gil
I watched religiously up until, like, season 21 or something, though I still consider myself sort of a superfan lol

 
It's one of those things; I find it cool it's still around but, man-oh-man, at the same time, how it's been for what feels like decades now really feels like it's washing over/away it's former cultural impact/capital.

One wonders if there'd be more of a fondness for it now (nostalgia, even) if they simply put the thing to bed after the movie.
Would have been remembered as "That thing I used to love" as opposed to "that thing I no longer like, but used to".
I wonder.... ?
 
The thing that a lot of people ignore about The Simpsons is that it was originally ① a knock-off/variant of Life In Hell and ② a parody of typical TV at the time of its debut. This is pretty key to understanding the series.

If you aren't familiar with it, Life In Hell is a pretty rebellious comic for the post-Nixon era it premiered in. It's about a family of rabbit people (one of which, Bongo, is like Bart but more rebellious) and a gay couple and the not-so traditional shenanigans they got up to. Jokes typically tried to offend the rare traditionally-minded person who would read it: gay love, insulting the American flag (incorrect variants of the Pledge of Allegiance were a running gag), looking down on the work ethic, mocking basic American institutions and traditions, and so on. It could easily have been interpreted as anti-American if it wasn't made by the American writer Matt Groening (and eventually published in The New Yorker).

Groening eventually got contracted to turn it into animated shorts for The Tracy Ullman Show, but didn't want to go through with it. So instead, he made a knock-off of the rabbits and called them The Simpsons, which spun off into their own show.

The show ended up taking ideas from other sitcoms of the time and twisting them to fit the LIH sense of humor. Typical sitcoms had a father who knows best; Homer was an idiot who couldn't keep it together. Typical sitcom moms were calm and reasonable; Marge was nervous and overbearing. The sitcom son was a lovable kid who sometimes made mistakes; Bart was a brat purposely screwing things up. Sitcom daughters were ignorant of the world and learning from everyone else; Lisa was smarter than the rest of the family. (There was some interview with the creators some years later where they said they particularly hated Growing Pains and wanted to put it to shame.)

And that extended to the rest of the cast. Moe's tavern was a twisted version of Cheers, with Barney being a direct parody of Norm. (It's also not a coincidence that Kelsey Grammer was later hired to play Sideshow Bob, who was meant to seem like an insane Frasier Crane to audiences.) Doctor Hibbert was a parody of Bill Cosby's character from The Cosby Show. And there were other more subtle parodies here and there.

The Simpsons didn't fit in with the rest of TV, but that was an advantage that helped it succeed. And that worked for some time until something changed: the sitcom landscape became different. People didn't want the old hokey sitcoms anymore; they wanted ones like The Simpsons or Seinfeld. The world they were parodying died off, and the world they created became the norm. There was no basis for the jokes anymore aside from self-reference.

To make matters worse, a lot of the writing staff eventually left. Conan O'Brien got his own show, Matt Groening started work on Futurama, and several others left to either do Futurama or some other show. The writers got replaced with new writers who didn't get how to do the old style (given that they had no reference point in the wider world) and we got a bunch of cameo episodes and other unfunny junk.

On top of that, some elements of the series didn't age well. Hairstyles went out of fashion quick: Marge's blue beehive had already been gone from reality for about a decade by the first airing (and it was mainly an old woman thing), Bart's high-top and Lisa's liberty spikes were both 80s cuts, and a few supporting characters still had mullets and other dated cuts. The family's difficulty making ends meet looked less real as Homer's job became a high-salary occupation and their house became a near-mansion. (Check the floor plan online some time; it's ridiculously huge for a "poor" family's home.) And some characters simply don't fit the current state of the world.

Honestly, I really don't care that they got rid of Apu. The same people complaining about it often aren't watching it now, and quite often are not South Asian. If the South Asian audience isn't happy with the character, why keep him in? He's based on an old stereotype (shared mainly by people outside his demographic) that is rapidly being replaced anyways as South Asians move into other sectors of the economy and second generations become more commonplace. And nobody complained that hard about Maude Flanders being axed.

Nonetheless, the quality of the show has gone down, and not as a result of cast changes. It's a show out of its time, divorced from its initial comedic concept, and unable to bring itself to light the flamethrower of its original inspiration. Besides, it's a Gisnep product now. They aren't about to let Bart rebel like he's in hell.
 
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The thing that a lot of people ignore about The Simpsons is that it was originally ① a knock-off/variant of Life In Hell and ② a parody of typical TV at the time of its debut. This is pretty key to understanding the series.

If you aren't familiar with it, Life In Hell is a pretty rebellious comic even for the post-Nixon era it premiered in. It's about a family of rabbit people (one of which, Bongo, is like Bart but more rebellious) and a gay couple and the not-so traditional shenanigans they got up to. Jokes typically tried to offend the rare traditionally-minded person who would read it: gay love, insulting the American flag (incorrect variants of the Pledge of Allegiance were a running gag), looking down on the work ethic, mocking basic American institutions and traditions, and so on. It could easily have been interpreted as anti-American if it wasn't made by the American writer Matt Groening (and eventually published in The New Yorker).

Groening eventually got contracted to turn it into animated shorts for The Tracy Ullman Show, but didn't want to go through with it. So instead, he made a knock-off of the rabbits and called them The Simpsons, which spun off into their own show.

There's an easter egg in the Simpsons arcade game that is a reference to this rabbit origin story.

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whatever trope one can find in animated television...
bed window GIF by South Park
 
I want to tell people that the Simpsons didn't "predict" anything, there are just so many things done that statistically it could happen.


Also I'm tired when Bart took the spotlight in the show when the main character is still fundamentally Homer.

Sure, they wanted to be hip with the kids but I feel that The Simpsons were aimed at a fairly adult audience (before adult sitcoms were synonymous with crude humour, gratuitous violence among other things).
 
There's an easter egg in the Simpsons arcade game that is a reference to this rabbit origin story.

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It's funny how Konami was able to get access to the lore for the game so easily. They made this game in the early days of The Simpsons, when very little of the extended cast had premiered yet (which is why there are so many characters in it you never seen elsewhere), so you'd think they wouldn't get much to use for the game. And yet, they were given access to the secret "final episode" script (which the writers made in case the show got cancelled) in which Marge is revealed to be a bunny person.

I want to tell people that the Simpsons didn't "predict" anything, there are just so many things done that statistically it could happen.


Also I'm tired when Bart took the spotlight in the show when the main character is still fundamentally Homer.

Sure, they wanted to be hip with the kids but I feel that The Simpsons were aimed at a fairly adult audience (before adult sitcoms were synonymous with crude humour, gratuitous violence among other things).
A lot of the "predictions" were based on things that already happened but people forgot about them. Apple already released a garbage touchscreen device in the 90s. Trump already ran for president. And so on. Again, people watch these old episodes without context and don't really get the jokes as a result.

Bart took the spotlight because he was the most controversial character at premiere. Kids on TV were expected to be a good role model, especially in animated shows. Remember, the general public believed animated shows were always kid's shows back then. The Simpsons was the first successful animated show for adults since The Flintstones (which was so old, they ran black & white cigarette commercials during it starring Fred & Barney), and enough time had passed that people forgot The Flintstones was aimed at adults. And of course, given the series' origins, they made that a focal point instead of trying to avoid controversy. That only changed as the controversy died off.
 
I don't know about you, guys... but I'll keep watching this thing for as long as things keep blowing up for no reason XD
 
lifelong simpsons simp here, but i hadn't actually significan't rewatched it since childhood despite parroting its memes throughout my life.

i did however watch a couple of the earlier season episodes a couple of months ago, and i was gobsmacked at how TIGHT and DENSELY PACKED it is, constantly, with gags and humour one doesn't recognize as a child. and the obvious "sympathizing more with the parents" watching as an adult type thing, but holy crap, the writing was sharp and simply incredible.

amazing channel for fellow simpers:


this one was a particularly interesting topic to dwell on:
 
lifelong simpsons simp here, but i hadn't actually significan't rewatched it since childhood despite parroting its memes throughout my life.

i did however watch a couple of the earlier season episodes a couple of months ago, and i was gobsmacked at how TIGHT and DENSELY PACKED it is, constantly, with gags and humour one doesn't recognize as a child. and the obvious "sympathizing more with the parents" watching as an adult type thing, but holy crap, the writing was sharp and simply incredible.
That's why S4 is my favorite, it's just nailed joke after nailed joke after nailed joke. It's straight up perfection.
 

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