Man the fighting game scene is falling apart.

[ImpPlushie]

i only play fighting games with friends when asked, also people in general seem cynical if you arent enjoying yourself play something else? thats what i do when series i like take a different direction, i may complain some but i know its to appeal to someone that just isnt me

 

[PhaseJump]

Fighting games won't thrive without networking, beit at arcades, tournaments, or online social networks.

Games are usually imbalanced and tiered trash with new meters and gimmicks slapped on. Marvel 2 was a lightning strike, where the gimmicky tiered trash heap was so overwhelming and complex that a scene formed up around it trying to figure out and salvage a meta-game from it. Similar in being unconventional and fucked up to Smash, which Nintendo had no real idea what to do with as the fans took it and ran with it themselves.

The downfall of any fighting game is gated off player base. Everything needs to be cross platform compatible. Even freebie sales models aren't helping a lot of games take off. None of these games are platform selling flagship killer apps anymore.

Sega is dead since arcades went dead, Crapcom is experimenting and remastering old shit, SNK shat forth COTW into the universe and caused unmeasurable suffering. Half of the organized FGC scenes are full of e-sports shitheads with small dick energy, trying to chase sponsorships.

Nothing will completely fall apart, nothing will improve either. Sales will go up on Mortal Kombat and sales will never be significant for any Guilty Gear/BB entry, easily overshadowed by licensed weeaboo pandering trash like DBZ, Naruto, OnePiece

Virtua Fighter has been dialed in to give us a quarter century of universally balanced design, near perfection, and it's slowly being broken by janky RGG remakes nerfing things. Nobody ever gave a shit about it outside of Japan anyway, and it needs Discord to survive.

TL;DR: Buy me Bonestorm or go to hell!

 

[BrawlMan]

Guilty Gear/BB entry, easily overshadowed by licensed weeaboo pandering trash like DBZ, Naruto, OnePiece

So? Does not mean GG is failing. And those are unfair comparisons since those are based off a popular mainstream anime and manga. Especially DBZ. Pretty much almost nothing can eclipse that. To do so is a fool's errand.

You're really crashing and freaking out over nothing. Sounds more like you're just upset because you didn't get every single thing you wanted.

I'm not defending the bad parts in thr industry or its troubles in the genre, this is going way overboard.

 

[Bandini]

man, the last fighting games I´ve played were virtua fighter 5 and aquapazza both in ps3. and before that kof 99 on ps1 lol. but still I think that a couple of series need a dignified death to save whatever is left that is worthy. you know to at least say goodbye with some integrity lol.

 

[PhaseJump]

So? Does not mean GG is failing. And those are unfair comparisons since those are based off a popular mainstream anime and manga. Especially DBZ. Pretty much almost nothing can eclipse that. To do so is a fool's errand.

You're really crashing and freaking out over nothing. Sounds more like you're just upset because you didn't get every single thing you wanted.

I'm not defending the bad parts in thr industry or its troubles in the genre, this is going way overboard.

I am not upset at all, and I literally pointed out that nothing is falling apart or improving. The post even ends with a simpsons gif.

Welcome to the internet, where subtle jokes and shit post observations again elude your mental capacity. Go home and be a family man.

 

[BrawlMan]

The post even ends with a simpsons gif.

I noticed, and not the point i'm trying to make. I read you loud and clear but i'm disagreeing with you. Simple as that. I already backed up my evidence. The first time around, you just choose to ignore it, and get sucked into your own little reality. Sounds like a you problem.

 

[Ikagura]

I think there's a competitive fatigue and how the genre is lacking the side modes because of time constraints and ressources but as long as we can play an obscure game with buddies around it should be fine.

 

[NotReallyHere]

Never been a fighting game scene
They made damn sure of that by gatekeeping the fuck out of it since literal day 1 and making sure to keep it a closed-off community so nobody could join without already being close buddy-buddy with all the assholes lucky enough to participate or rich enough to run it.

Can confirm - the gatekeeping was real back in the 90s, as well

I remember reading a letter in Game Players Magazine, where a reader was writing in to vent about arcade players not being willing to share tips or tell the button combination for special moves in the newest games. The reader was complaining that it wasn't fair that they never had a chance to learn the newest moves, while the magazine's response was that it was entirely fine for a player who had learned these moves / combos for themselves to guard that information and keep it for their own use.

And magazines made crazy bank by selling strategy guides or printing movelists in upcoming issues. It was very much in their best interest to keep this info to themselves until they were ready to sell it for profit, after all

This was back when games like MK3 were brand new, and often didn't feature a movelist on the cabinet or the marquee. If you were lucky enough to live close to an arcade that had just gotten a new game, the only way to learn the moves for the new characters was through trial and error - which would run you at least 50 cents per match, mind.

And often, there was a line for the game, meaning you couldn't just practice against the computer in Arcade mode. If there was a zero-lifer who lived at the arcade and spent all their time at that machine... tough. They'd double-KO you before you even took a slice out of their life bar.

Looking back, it's kind of incredible that I survived that madness and kept up with the genre at all! Thank Grud for home ports

 

[Blueskunky Blueskunky]

I don't think anyone realized this entire thread was made as one big joke and was never meant to be taken seriously

 

[AuthenticBlueSky]

I despise what Guilty Gear as a series and the Guilty Gear community turned into.
Tekken is dead to me and I don't have much hope for VF or DOA due to the developers who are making them and how they handled VF5/DOA6 over the years. SC is dormant.
Skullgirls was censored in the most disgusting way imaginable, altering concept art is insane.
SNK screwed up pretty much every release starting with SS 2019.
The only MK game I like is MK9, didn't like the visual and story direction they took with MKX.
Random fighters from DNF Duel to 2XKO simply went nowhere.

Street Fighter was always OK at least. Melty Blood, Under Night and Blazblue are good, just wish MB had a bit more players. If it isn't obvious, I'd rather leave BB alone, I don't want it to get the Strive treatment.

Also the constant lack of SP modes in these newer games is hilarious. "It's a FG, you're supposed to grind ranked!".

I don't want to get into talking about what a lot of these more niche FG communities have turned into and the forcing of politics by some in them. The comp scene is also a mess partially because of these politics people.

Overall, I have to agree that the scene and genre is not in a good place. The fact some of these games might still sell is not the point, there are deeper issues here.

 

[Blueskunky Blueskunky]

I despise what Guilty Gear as a series and the Guilty Gear community turned into.
Tekken is dead to me and I don't have much hope for VF or DOA due to the developers who are making them and how they handled VF5/DOA6 over the years. SC is dormant.
Skullgirls was censored in the most disgusting way imaginable, altering concept art is insane.
SNK screwed up pretty much every release starting with SS 2019.
The only MK game I like is MK9, didn't like the visual and story direction they took with MKX.
Random fighters from DNF Duel to 2XKO simply went nowhere.

Street Fighter was always OK at least. Melty Blood, Under Night and Blazblue are good, just wish MB had a bit more players. If it isn't obvious, I'd rather leave BB alone, I don't want it to get the Strive treatment.

Also the constant lack of SP modes in these newer games is hilarious. "It's a FG, you're supposed to grind ranked!".

I don't want to get into talking about what a lot of these more niche FG communities have turned into and the forcing of politics by some in them. The comp scene is also a mess partially because of these politics people.

Overall, I have to agree that the scene and genre is not in a good place. The fact some of these games might still sell is not the point, there are deeper issues here.

Literally two seconds after posting this my statement still stands

I don't think anyone realized this entire thread was made as one big joke and was never meant to be taken seriously

 

[BrawlMan]

Seriously, all I'm hearing is it's not the way I want it or it's not like how I wanted it in the good old days. Of course the fighting game today ain't perfect, but it was never a perfect paradise. Even back then, when things were really good.

Literally two seconds after posting this my statement still stands

Well, people have some issues that air out, regardless, if it's a joke or not.

 

[AuthenticBlueSky]

Literally two seconds after posting this my statement still stands

Well, the "big joke" turned into a legitimate discussion precisely because there are a lot of people who feel like me, that there is something wrong.

Of course I can always go back to just playing what I like, but it does hurt when your favorite series goes sideways. GG, Tekken and SG were important to me and they were all done dirty.

 

[fake-chan]

I don't think anyone realized this entire thread was made as one big joke and was never meant to be taken seriously

It's hard to tell on internet what's just a joke and what isn't.

 

[BrawlMan]

GG, Tekken and SG were important to me and they were all done dirty.

No they weren't, Tekken 8 aside. You're just not into it. That's fine, but don't act as if there are some ultimate betrayal on Capcom, nor Arc Systems part especially.


Also you said SG. Were you referring to Street Fighter or Soul Calibur? Because I don't know of any other fighting game that has SG as an abbreviation.

I'll agree with you with more fighting games needing single player content, but that's about it. At least SF6, Granblue, Tekken 8 along with its free story Dlc, and the Netherrealm fighting games bother to have them.

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

There is hope...

And before we can get too much hopes we can get a 'taste of the waters' with DoA 6 Last round on june

Guilty Gears fandom is getting even worse every day,

Dont tell me about it... I remember it was fun talking to people there, and now they are all insufferable. The worse thing is that it not like that the people that actually played GG changes, mostly just leaved after seeing what they did with Strive.

I personally moved on because of this, but found my fun with Dead or Alive and Melty Blood Type Lumina

 

[PhaseJump]

I don't think anyone realized this entire thread was made as one big joke and was never meant to be taken seriously

Words to live by.

 

[BrawlMan]

remember it was fun talking to people there, and now they are all insufferable.

I doubt that. I'm not that deep into the fandom, nut most of the people I talk to seem to be fine or not causing trouble amongst each other. I know certain really old GG fans can go off the wall at times but they tend to be there on the worst enemies with this thing.

 

[SeventhSon]

 

[AuthenticBlueSky]

Also you said SG. Were you referring to Street Fighter or Soul Calibur? Because I don't know of any other fighting game that has SG as an abbreviation.

Damn brother, I specifically mentioned SkullGirls in my first post as well.

However if you're going to dismiss the Strive aesthetic, gameplay, character design and play styles changes as "just accept you're not into it" then I see no point in explaining any what happened with SG and why it pushed me away from the game.

I doubt that. I'm not that deep into the fandom, nut most of the people I talk to seem to be fine or not causing trouble amongst each other. I know certain really old GG fans can go off the wall at times but they tend to be there on the worst enemies with this thing.

As someone who isn't deep in the fandom, you seem to insist on defending the game and the nu GG community.
As someone who was part of the pre-Strive GG community, I saw and felt personally the harassment from the new "fans" and rubbing in everyones face the Bridget retcon and general dismissive attitude about the older games from new "fans".....
Well I guess I must have imagined it all and I am in fact insane, just like the "really old GG fans" whom you seem to treat as crazy and "guys who go off" on things.

Whatever, I've accepted it and moved on. I really don't want to write a wall of text here.

And before we can get too much hopes we can get a 'taste of the waters' with DoA 6 Last round on june.

Really wished they offered something more than a photo mode because right now I fear it won't sell well and might create more resentment. A lot of money is being asked for something that feels like a small content update and a (larger) patch with 2 DLC characters being permanently removed.

 

[TruxtonTatsujin]

No they weren't, Tekken 8 aside. You're just not into it. That's fine, but don't act as if there are some ultimate betrayal on Capcom, nor Arc Systems part especially.


Also you said SG. Were you referring to Street Fighter or Soul Calibur? Because I don't know of any other fighting game that has SG as an abbreviation.

I'll agree with you with more fighting games needing single player content, but that's about it. At least SF6, Granblue, Tekken 8 along with its free story Dlc, and the Netherrealm fighting games bother to have them.

GG and Tekken where done dirty, let's not kid ourselves The Tekken community is in shambles and the old GG community was killed off and replaced with a new one.

 

[Iraito]

Let's put it like this, once they truly hit rock bottom they can only improve and rise back from the ashes, there's hope.

 

[BrawlMan]

Damn brother, I specifically mentioned SkullGirls in my first post as well.

Keep forgetting about that one; my bad.

someone who isn't deep in the fandom, you seem to insist on defending the game and the nu GG community.
As someone who was part of the pre-Strive GG community, I saw and felt personally the harassment from the new "fans" and rubbing in everyones face the Bridget retcon and general dismissive attitude about the older games from new "fans".....
Well I guess I must have imagined it all and I am in fact insane, just like the "really old GG fans" whom you seem to treat as crazy and "guys who go off" on things.

Look, I didn't say I knew every fan, but I know enough to know when they're acting like jerks or not. Most of the fans that i've met old and new have been pretty chill with each other. You dealt with a few toxic buttholes. It sucks, but it's called avoid them and don't bother with them. And if you're engaging with these people on social media, then good luck trying to have a reasonable discussion over there.

GG and Tekken where done dirty, let's not kid ourselves The Tekken community is in shambles and the old GG community was killed off and replaced with a new one.

I already agree with y'all on Tekken, but GG wasn't done dirty. Sounds more like you couldn't handle change or new people being interested in the old thing you like. Take your pick; I really don't care.

Strive is thriving great, it's just not whatever you wanted it to be in your head.

 

[PhaseJump]

No they weren't, Tekken 8 aside. You're just not into it. That's fine, but don't act as if there are some ultimate betrayal on Capcom, nor Arc Systems part especially.


Also you said SG. Were you referring to Street Fighter or Soul Calibur? Because I don't know of any other fighting game that has SG as an abbreviation.

I'll agree with you with more fighting games needing single player content, but that's about it. At least SF6, Granblue, Tekken 8 along with its free story Dlc, and the Netherrealm fighting games bother to have them.

You're fucking mental. You tell people what they really think, rather than look at what they're saying.

 

[TruxtonTatsujin]

Keep forgetting about that one; my bad.


Look, I didn't say I knew every fan, but I know enough to know when they're acting like jerks or not. Most of the fans that i've met old and new have been pretty chill with each other. You dealt with a few toxic buttholes. It sucks, but it's called avoid them and don't bother with them. And if you're engaging with these people on social media, then good luck trying to have a reasonable discussion over there.


I already agree with y'all on Tekken, but GG wasn't done dirty. Sounds more like you couldn't handle change or new people being interested in the old thing you like. Take your pick; I really don't care.

Strive is thriving great, it's just not whatever you wanted it to be in your head.

They weren't interested in the old thing I like, they only cared about the new bastardized version. There's a reason we call them "Strivers" and not just Guilty Gear players. I don't like the change, but that's just stating the obvious.
Strive is thriving, and I can only wish them the best. At this point I just want them to leave the old games alone and keep to themselves. You enjoy your Big Mac, I'll be over here with my sirloin steak