lost odyssey...

[BinaryMessiah]

I can totally see where your coming from, and absolutely respect this opinion.

But I don't know, this kind of makes me want to play it more now! As some times sun-par (jank / time wasting) if you are willing and have the time to be patient with it, can be a good thing. This was one of the reasons i like warp titles such as Enemy zero and D if i must be honest, but not for everyone for sure.

The lack of respect for time for me, are the games which draw things out to make you pay to progress, no respect for time, resources or even my mental health imho.

I love Warp's games. I have yet to play through D (I own a longbox copy as well!) and actually like D2 enough. The story was incredibly thought-provoking. My issue is with JRPGs wasting my damn time. You have to commit 50+ hours for the game to maybe get better? It's the one genre, along with open-world games, in which I can't just play unless I know the game is going to be worth it. I don't have that much time to waste anymore.

 

[Somnia]

My issue is with JRPGs wasting my damn time. You have to commit 50+ hours for the game to maybe get better? It's the one genre, along with open-world games, in which I can't just play unless I know the game is going to be worth it. I don't have that much time to waste anymore.

I understand where this sentiment comes from, but I also feel like it is just an incredibly misguided mindset to have with RPGs on the whole. You will typically know if a game will be to your liking within the first 2-3 hours at most. Either the early combat concepts, story setup and characters grab you or they don't. If anyone said this sort of thing about a novel it would be laughable.

If the opening hours of Persona 4 establishing its setting, most of its main cast and its core mechanics don't do it for you, then you already know the rest of the game isn't for you. If by the time you're about to crossdress FF7 just hasn't piqued your interest then it just isn't gonna be for you. Yes sometimes games will open up or change as they progress and you might like to see it through, but if the story, characters or gameplay aren't compelling you to keep going then why bother? Treat it like any other game you aren't vibing with and drop it. If I completed a couple levels of an FPS and wasn't having fun I'd just accept it isn't for me and move on.

It is true that some RPG climaxes are controversial, but even then, I think people who decide to hate a 20+ hour journey just because the last 3-5 or so hours disappointed them are being silly. It is rational, since the last thing we experience in a game will be what sticks with us, but as I've grown older I like to think I've gotten pretty good at keeping my vibes positive with a game even if I disliked the ending of a 40+ hour long JRPG.

The genre isn't for everyone and that's ok. Length can be daunting, but much like long-running franchises like One Piece I like to highlight that the journey is far more important than the destination. If you aren't enjoying the journey than don't take it, but don't let the length of the journey stop you from even trying to take the first step, especially if you think you'd enjoy the experience.

 

[BinaryMessiah]

I understand where this sentiment comes from, but I also feel like it is just an incredibly misguided mindset to have with RPGs on the whole. You will typically know if a game will be to your liking within the first 2-3 hours at most. Either the early combat concepts, story setup and characters grab you or they don't. If anyone said this sort of thing about a novel it would be laughable.


It is true that some RPG climaxes are controversial, but even then, I think people who decide to hate a 20+ hour journey just because the last 3-5 or so hours disappointed them are being silly. It is rational, since the last thing we experience in a game will be what sticks with us, but as I've grown older I like to think I've gotten pretty good at keeping my vibes positive with a game even if I disliked the ending of a 40+ hour long JRPG.

The genre isn't for everyone and that's ok. Length can be daunting, but much like long-running franchises like One Piece I like to highlight that the journey is far more important than the destination. If you aren't enjoying the journey than don't take it, but don't let the length of the journey stop you from even trying to take the first step, especially if you think you'd enjoy the experience.

Even the 3-5 hours can feel like a waste sometimes. I've found more that I don't like than I do like. With JRPGs I do know that the journey is more important. There are plenty I have completed in which I didn't care for the story but loved everything else. I'm just super picky and with my limited time these days I usually hesitate when starting one. I tend to have to put all other games on hold as well. Persona 5 took me 108 to finish, on easy, but I loved every hour of it. It was a very memorable game. I'm someone who doesn't complain if the ending of a story doesn't pay off as long as the rest of the game was enjoyable.

I understand all of your points and they are valid.

 

[Infasis]

Well, personally I wish I just bought/kept my physical copies of all those Japanese 360 exclusives. Unless they release a remaster/ports of Lost Odyssey the price is likely just gonna keep going up. Being multiple discs, and the older it gets, it just makes it even harder to come across fully mint copies too

(It's crazy how Xbox execs didn't seem to realize that even if the 360 wasn't finding as much instant success in Japan, as they wanted, those JRPGs were still a big reason some of us outside of Japan bought the console. Ever since then I've basically had no reason to prioritize owning an Xbox.)

 

[iamthemilkman]

I recommend physical because it's definitely a game worth owning. That said, you might have to boil Disc 4 in water because Microsoft put it in a paper sleeve that leaves residue on the disc and makes the disc unreadable at some point. You could install Disc 4 to the Xbox 360 hard drive and see if that happens. If it does, you'll have to boil it since it's the only way to rid the disc of the residue.

I had bought a bunch of copies of LO and BD for $2 each at a game store that was going out of business.

 

[pl1sk1n]

I recommend physical because it's definitely a game worth owning. That said, you might have to boil Disc 4 in water because Microsoft put it in a paper sleeve that leaves residue on the disc and makes the disc unreadable at some point. You could install Disc 4 to the Xbox 360 hard drive and see if that happens. If it does, you'll have to boil it since it's the only way to rid the disc of the residue.

I had bought a bunch of copies of LO and BD for $2 each at a game store that was going out of business.

hmm.. you could also try Isopropyl 99.9% as this is what i do, and as long as you wipe with a microfiber cloth, your golden. Do not know how i feel about boiling.

You also say boil, butt at what temp? As boiling waer = 100c. So are you saying heat it at 100C in water?