Is there any way to save villains who are irredeemable monsters?

[thumbsdown's iconthumbsdown]

big gay wiwi

 

[IamtheWalrus]

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I mean cmon guys he can't be THAT evil. Just look at him

Yes, he has such a trusting smile, I'm sure he's just the most trusting police officer and

Spoiler

not a serial killer~

 

[MrJeffy]

inb4 they redeem Sephiroth in the last remake and he teams up with Cloud

 

[Anim8rDude Anim8rDude]

I like my villains without a single speck of a moral compass

And just like how there are people in real life who are irredeemable, some characters in media are just as equally.

yeah even from an entertainment perspective, villains who are just unapologetically cruel are much more interesting. And yes, sometimes pure evil just exists.

I almost want to bring up Now and Then, Here and There, where the main tyrant kills a cat on-screen.

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I mean cmon guys he can't be THAT evil. Just look at him

Adachi being the killer is the internet's worst kept secret directly beside Aerith dying to Sephiroth. Guess villains can't keep secrets either.

 

[Elwiwi]

big gay wiwi

Hell yeah gay wiwi

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

What can I say ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ to some people homosexuality is considered villain

Using gayness to prove you're a villain isn't that valid tbh , i mean what ever that causes when it comes to sickness or whatever it's self inflicted so you aren't being a irredeemable monster by being gay........another day another sad attempt by wiwi trying to prove to us he is a villain

Gotta admire your determination tho it's really heroic

 

[thumbsdown's iconthumbsdown]

so you aren't being a irredeemable monster by being gay........

big gay thumbsdown

 

[zombie100379]

if patrick bateman had seen a therapist he might be saved from being a ticking timebomb.

 

[Elwiwi]

Using gayness to prove you're a villain isn't that valid tbh , i mean what ever that causes when it comes to sickness or whatever it's self inflicted so you aren't being a irredeemable monster by being gay........another day another sad attempt by wiwi trying to prove to us he is a villain

Gotta admire your determination tho it's really heroic

I am a villain regardless of my sexuality, you didn't understand my post

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big gay thumbsdown

Big if true

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

big gay thumbsdown

Coming out in June? Sounds time appropriate comrade

 

[MasterOfpuppeters964]

Can this type of human being be redeemed in any way ?
No!

 

[thumbsdown's iconthumbsdown]

Coming out in June? Sounds time appropriate comrade

everyone knows lol

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

I am a villain regardless of my sexuality, you didn't understand my post

that's not being evil that's people viewing you as evil for liking men.......it doesn't mean you are a villain cuz as i said villains go out of their way to harm other people , and you aren't doing that in this case so?

Look no need to beat around the bush wiwi , we all know you are a good hearted man-lover it's fine man , time to accept who you truly are

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everyone knows lol

Besides me of course

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

- Kill Count in the 4 billions.
- Wipes out half a Continent off the face of the planet
- Brings back Nuclear Weapons
- Genocide's entire races
Yeah he could be redeemed

 

[thumbsdown's iconthumbsdown]

Look no need to beat around the bush wiwi

you were the one who brought up homosexuality, he's just answering you calmly regardless of his sexuality... you could assume it's all a big joke, chill man

 

[IamtheWalrus]

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- Kill Count in the 4 billions.
- Wipes out half a Continent off the face of the planet
- Brings back Nuclear Weapons
- Genocide's entire races
Yeah he could be redeemed

I'm sensing a pattern here... I has something to do with them being good looking and have good smiles.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

you were the one who brought up homosexuality, he's just answering you calmly regardless of his sexuality... you could assume it's all a big joke, chill man

Its a part of the original copypasta , and works well for wiwi

 

[thumbsdown's iconthumbsdown]

Its a part of the original copypasta , and works well for wiwi

ok, my bad

 

[IamtheWalrus]

Can this type of human being be redeemed in any way ?
No!
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I never want Solf J. Kimblee to be redeemable. He's perfect the way he is, irredeemable but never bullshits his convictions or his views on Equivalent Exchange.
Also he kills it in the white suit... literally even.

 

[Luxfin]

NO.
Not even if you give me a Scooby Snack or all the money in the world.
Well maybe I have enough power that will literally to much for them.

Besides

I wouldn't trust this man with or even near my kids or any kids for any reason.

 

[G.L.a.D.O.S.]

I think it depends on what people mean when they ask if someone can be "saved."

If by saved they mean becoming a genuinely good person, then I don't think the answer is always yes. There are people who hurt others repeatedly, manipulate those around them, and seem to have no desire to change. At a certain point, you have to acknowledge that wanting someone to be redeemable and them actually wanting redemption aren't the same thing.

But there's another side to it.

Maybe saving someone isn't always about fixing them. Maybe it's about refusing to surrender your own humanity in response to theirs. It's easy to show compassion to people who are remorseful. It's much harder when someone has done terrible things and doesn't appear sorry at all.

At the same time, believing that someone still has human value doesn't mean pretending they aren't dangerous. You can think a person's life has worth and still recognize that they can't be allowed to continue hurting others. Keeping people safe through imprisonment, restraint, or separation isn't necessarily an act of hatred.

Sometimes it's simply an acknowledgment of reality.

I don't know if every person can be redeemed.
I honestly don't think they can.
Some people never change.
Some people don't want to.

The more interesting question to me is what kind of person you become when you're faced with someone who may truly be beyond redemption. Do you let them convince you that mercy, compassion, and principles only matter when they're easy? Or do you hold onto those things anyway, not because the other person deserves them, but because they're part of who you choose to be?

It's easy to believe in forgiveness when someone earns it.
The real test is deciding what you believe when they don't.

So, do I believe "Is here is any way to save villains who are irredeemable monsters?"
Not always, no.

 

[Nebulon_Galaxy]

I'm sensing a pattern here... I has something to do with them being good looking and have good smiles.

well i can say Gihren was a ladies man during his time

 

[MasterOfpuppeters964]

Besides
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I wouldn't trust this man with or even near my kids or any kids for any reason.

Especially the version of the Judas contract....

 

[IamtheWalrus]

I think it depends on what people mean when they ask if someone can be "saved."

If by saved they mean becoming a genuinely good person, then I don't think the answer is always yes. There are people who hurt others repeatedly, manipulate those around them, and seem to have no desire to change. At a certain point, you have to acknowledge that wanting someone to be redeemable and them actually wanting redemption aren't the same thing.

But there's another side to it.

Maybe saving someone isn't always about fixing them. Maybe it's about refusing to surrender your own humanity in response to theirs. It's easy to show compassion to people who are remorseful. It's much harder when someone has done terrible things and doesn't appear sorry at all.

At the same time, believing that someone still has human value doesn't mean pretending they aren't dangerous. You can think a person's life has worth and still recognize that they can't be allowed to continue hurting others. Keeping people safe through imprisonment, restraint, or separation isn't necessarily an act of hatred.

Sometimes it's simply an acknowledgment of reality.

I don't know if every person can be redeemed. I honestly don't think they can. Some people never change. Some people don't want to.

The more interesting question to me is what kind of person you become when you're faced with someone who may truly be beyond redemption. Do you let them convince you that mercy, compassion, and principles only matter when they're easy? Or do you hold onto those things anyway, not because the other person deserves them, but because they're part of who you choose to be?

It's easy to believe in forgiveness when someone earns it.
The real test is deciding what you believe when they don't.

So, do I believe "Is here is any way to save villains who are irredeemable monsters?"
Not always, no.

Bloody well said...

well i can say Gihren was a ladies man during his time

Yes, a ladies man indeed.
Even his sister loved him!

Spoiler

to the point Kycilia gave her brother a hole in the head~

 

[Tsukishima]

Maybe saving someone isn't always about fixing them. Maybe it's about refusing to surrender your own humanity in response to theirs. It's easy to show compassion to people who are remorseful. It's much harder when someone has done terrible things and doesn't appear sorry at all.

Exactly, a lot of people have taken the "I can fix him/her" in literal ways beyond being a simple internet joke. People who express these certain characteristics upon which triggers this instinct to save them more often then not just don't want to be 'fixed' at all and are very content with their life and the path. It's easy to detect the goodwill behind the statement, but sometimes it can be interpreted as harassment to the very way they've chosen to enjoy life that we're given.

well i can say Gihren was a ladies man during his time

Uh-huh

Spoiler: Mobile Suit Gundam (1979)