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I don't know if this can be done on Xeno, but what the hell... just a shot in the dark.

I know that when you ignore a user, you don’t see them, but why can they still see you?
I wonder if there is a way that, if you ignore a user, it automatically makes them ignore you, and they can’t undo it. Some users as you know, bother specific other users just for the lulz, but if they were, say, getting ignored and couldn’t undo it, it would put a stop to it.

Basically, like muting each other from one end, where the person who ignores the other user could undo the ignore if they felt so inclined, but the user being ignored couldn’t undo it... just to see what the other user is posting.

I always thought it was odd that if you ignore someone, they can still see your posts.

Again dunno if it can be Done, just a shot in the dark.
Adverage IT010.webp
 
I don’t think we’re missing the point. The solution is clear and already exists: warn and ban troublemakers.

We can’t adopt a "better safeguard" approach at the cost of limiting open discussions, which are the very purpose of a forum. Blocking users like on social media goes against the nature of this space.

There also doesn’t appear to be such a large number of problematic users that the current moderation team can’t handle it. If there is, maybe the answer is more moderators, not new blocking mechanisms.
I agree with this, but banning hasn't been a thing for a while now, and reader mode is largely a
temporary solution.
 
I agree with this, but banning hasn't been a thing for a while now, and reader mode is largely a
temporary solution.
You can be put into reader mode infinitely. It's no different than a ban.
 
First of all, I’m sorry that you and others have had issues with problematic users in the past. That really sucks.

That said, I don’t think we’re missing the point. The solution is clear and already exists: warn and ban troublemakers.

We can’t adopt a "better safeguard" approach at the cost of limiting open discussions, which are the very purpose of a forum. Blocking users like on social media goes against the nature of this space.

There also doesn’t appear to be such a large number of problematic users that the current moderation team can’t handle it. If there is, maybe the answer is more moderators, not new blocking mechanisms.
To put it bluntly fungi never die it only need time to spawn again.
 
Yeah, mods that are trustworthy.
Well, all moderators are expected to be trustworthy, which is why a vetting process is important when choosing them.

Did something happen in the past that made you say that?
 
It's true that there really aren't many troublemakers here overall, but that logic goes both ways too. 5 or 6 users ignoring 2 or 3 harassers isn't going to suddenly limit open discussions on the whole website for everyone. Outside of a few outliers, I doubt anyone here even knows what other people's ignore lists look like, and I sincerely doubt a change like this would suddenly suffocate the forum.

I'd be fine with a feature like this being Mod enabled only honestly. That way it doesn't get abused or overly used but can be set-up if mods feel intervention is needed. Mods can already enable force ignore, this would just be an extension of that.
 
ATenderLad was a pretty shit moderator, and also like 13. But they aren't one anymore. The answer is never more mods.
I misread @RanmyakuIchi's post — I thought he meant that there weren’t enough moderators. English isn’t my first language, so that was my mistake.

I agree that we should have a minimum number of effective moderators.

About this ATenderLad guy: yeah, shitty mods exist, but they’re not the majority. I’ve been actively participating in forums since the early 2000s , and I can only recall one bad moderator (and maybe two or three major dramas, if that matters).
 
About this ATenderLad guy: yeah, shitty mods exist, but they’re not the majority. I’ve been actively participating in forums since 1998, and I can only recall one bad moderator (and maybe two or three major dramas, if that matters).
I've dealt with a shitty mod too, back when there was a CDR Discord.
 
Due to the forum only having a “Reader Mode” make some members wanting to have a “two way ignore system “. Since the Ban System has been lifted a Reader Mode doesn’t guarantee that the said offender would charge their ways after their ordeal. The fact some might even made new accounts after being banned is a valid reason of member to remain invisible to the eyes of those unsavory bunch.
 
If it's a thread by someone I already don't want to talk to, good.
Then don't read the thread, simple.
I feel like ignore isn't going to be used if someone doesn't "like their opinions," it's more for when someone's being antagonistic and won't just leave you alone. Not everything requires a mod intervention. The notion of it being weak and cowardly sounds like one of those really abrasive guys who just likes to argue, like "OH you don't want to debate me?" all the time. No, I don't. We're not all supposed to spend time together in life.
Never ignore people for being dumb or annoying, even they have some good things to say every once in a awhile and if you put them on ignore you will never see those good comments or threads; you may even learn something new, who knows.
 
The folks who are saying it's just about blocking different opinions are missing the plot here.

Both myself and some other's have been dragged into outside drama here and actively harassed and targeted before, and having a better safe-guard against that would be nice. The mods generally do a good job of deleting/shutting down said harassment when it crops up, but there's very little in place at the moment to prevent a continuation of it when it happens.

There has been pretty alarming stuff happening in the past here, like multiple attempts to brigade my private Discord server and rather explicate things being sent unwanted to friends of mine, there are genuine reasons to ignore well beyond differing opinions here.
Something like this doesn't seem fixable by having two users ignore each other. If there's an altercation and it's set to where two people can't see each other's posts, and one or both of them is continuing to escalate things in DMs or through attempted contact or harassment outside of the forum, you can't fix that with just telling them to ignore each other. At that point, in a generalized sense the best course of action would surely be to ban the person/persons continuing to escalate things from the site. A bad apple spoils the whole bunch, and in my opinion it's likely that someone who is harassing one person will be toxic in the future to others as well.

For more simple disagreements, ignoring their stuff seems sufficient to me. Sure, you may know that their posts are being ignored, but you're not completely erasing knowledge of their existence on the site just from that. Do they write articles? Do other users reference them? If nothing else, won't it show you when the ignored person is online in the list of online users section, or show their profile picture when it's their birthday? Perhaps not, I haven't had anything more than some shitposting disagreements on a tattoo thread, so I don't have firsthand experience.

Let's think of the website like a school. If you have disagreements with someone, or you stop being friends, or whatever it is, if you can't make amends, you avoid each other. You still know the other person exists. You may see them down the hall or in the lunchroom, maybe leaving school at the end of the day. You may have even have mutual friends. But you don't congregate together with those mutual friends, and you don't acknowledge the other person unless absolutely necessary. You both continue to exist independently at that school as long as neither of you cause further problems. You live on with your differing opinions and viewpoints. You know they exist, but it doesn't ruin your day because you're not interacting with each other anymore. No further action is needed in theory.

What happens when things have escalated? There's a fight, or bullying or harassment. I guess I don't know what happens nowadays, but to me, it makes sense that there is intervention from the school staff(mods), or if really necessary, the principal(Spike). At the minimum, the bully has to accept the staff's terms to continue to keep attending class(using the forum). Ideally, they also apologize to the other person. If they cannot agree to this, or if they continue harassment afterwards, they get expelled(banned from the site). Period. If they can't resist the urge to harass someone else, that won't stop without intervention. That's the sort of thing ignoring can't deal with. They'll likely find a new target and continue the pattern. And then if they are harassing anyone outside of school(Discord, other forums, etc.) that's when it needs to be escalated appropriately.

I think it's fine to agree to disagree, and it's often inevitable. It's the risk of participating in discussion, and that is what we're here to do at the end of the day, right? Discuss stuff? It's not going to be perfect, because nothing is. That's the human experience. At the end of the day it should still be a mostly pleasant experience, and if it isn't, an attempt at addressing the situation is worth a shot. If it becomes a common thing that at least a few people need strong enough ignoring settings to not see a single trace of other people's existence, that to me indicates there's likely some deeper issue. Are these really isolated incidents? Or are a handful of aggressive people causing most of the problems?
 
Then don't read the thread, simple.

Never ignore people for being dumb or annoying, even they have some good things to say every once in a awhile and if you put them on ignore you will never see those good comments or threads; you may even learn something new, who knows.
If guy robs my house and then comes the next day and gives me a cookie, I don't want it. There are just some people we don't need to spend time with in life. The addition of an option for people who would rather not wait around for this alleged moment of good comments from someone who's shown their colors already, hurts no one. It's... not that hard.
 
If guy robs my house and then comes the next day and gives me a cookie, I don't want it. There are just some people we don't need to spend time with in life. The addition of an option for people who would rather not wait around for this alleged moment of good comments from someone who's shown their colors already, hurts no one. It's... not that hard.
I get where you're coming from, but it's a bit of a false equivalence. I don't really care either way about this debate, but nobody from RGT ever tried to rob me. :P

Edit: Spike stole my heart though
 
I get where you're coming from, but it's a bit of a false equivalence. I don't really care either way about this debate, but nobody from RGT ever tried to rob me. :P

Edit: Spike stole my heart though
Not all comparisons bear close examination, it'll derail a thread that's already derailed.
Everyone is entitled to their own stance, but again: adding the option hurts no one. For the response of "just ignore the thread," just ignore that the option exists. If it got added and someone is like "I never ignore anyone," they might not ever know it exists anyway. Really simple.
 
Not all comparisons bear close examination, it'll derail a thread that's already derailed.
Everyone is entitled to their own stance, but again: adding the option hurts no one. For the response of "just ignore the thread," just ignore that the option exists. If it got added and someone is like "I never ignore anyone," they might not ever know it exists anyway. Really simple.
I feel you brother, it won't effect me because I don't block anyone. But I can see where people are coming from on both sides. Personally? I land more on the keep things the way they are side. But I see both perspectives.
 
There's nobody I've come across here that I actively dislike, and I've only muted people I've found to have a really childish mindset and/or attitude. That being said, I think the ability to completely block someone on a social website should be a human right.
 

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